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| Acertos France. May 07 2012 06:56. Posts 438 | Profile # |
http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/karachi-enquete-pour-corruption-82518
Karachi is one of the best ( after selling a submarine balladur and sarko gained rétro commission for their campain, after sarko and balladur stoped sending money someone killed 12 people near the base of the submarines), Francafrique is a film about money deals between rigth presidents of france and africans dictators, Bettencourt is also on. U can look on the net at sarkosy's son u will see all the stupids things that shouldnt happen. Now another thing, how did sarkosy get to be elected? he betrayed so much people, made some aliance with chief of big companies. During his menda he controlled the justice, he was following a lot of journalist and inspecting their computer.
Man, i really really think that having someone like that as president is just wrong. We need to stop having president like that... |
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| Mosquitow England. May 07 2012 07:01. Posts 480 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well.
Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers.... |
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| BabyGiraldo United States. May 07 2012 07:04. Posts 135 | Profile # |
Let's be honest, who cares?
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| aksfjh United States. May 07 2012 07:05. Posts 3681 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years. |
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| Acertos France. May 07 2012 07:08. Posts 438 | Profile # |
| Promoting a job is actually pretty easy, look at army they did an amazing job and now they have to refuse people. Education isnt the same as the army, but with the lack of jobs everywhere, i wouldnt be surprised if it attracted a lot of people. |
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| Boblion France. May 07 2012 07:09. Posts 7805 | Profile Blog # |
On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
Nobody got laid off lol. |
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| Acertos France. May 07 2012 07:10. Posts 438 | Profile # |
| Well when u were a teacher and u become a replacement teacher its kind of a laid-off |
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| Acertos France. May 07 2012 07:11. Posts 438 | Profile # |
| and it happens because some schools and hospitals are closing in this country |
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| scFoX France. May 07 2012 07:11. Posts 253 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
They weren't laid off, most of them retired. Either way, government employees can't be fired except in case of big professional mistakes. Forcing those teachers back out of retirement seems a little contradictory if the Socialists really want to abolish the retirement reform. |
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| Gapato France. May 07 2012 07:12. Posts 43 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 07:09 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
Nobody got laid off lol.
edit: well I too slow...
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Good point. What happened was that people retiring were not replaced, so they're not on the job market anymore.
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| Ragnarork France. May 07 2012 07:14. Posts 1968 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Purchasing power has NOT decreased over 30 years (except maybe once in the 1980s). Please read correctly.
Adding teacher = useless, and so i'll explain why you completely misunderstand the problem of 35 students per teacher : we have a lot of teacher (roughly 15000) who only are in TZR, which are zones where they do replacement. And those teachers aren't in places they should be, where there are this problem of too many students per teachers. Before adding teacher jobs, we must solve this problem first.
And if Darcos make stupid calculation, it still doesn't change it...
I still agree on the fact that suppressing history was a completely dumb idea.
About Sarko, like i said i won't regret him, but Hollande won't be better, excepted possibly on the image and the relationship with the media that brought him the victory.
And on Greece, please check your facts and stop basing your arguments on what dumb anti-capitalist said. While this doesn't mean there shouldn't be regulations and discussion around the topic of Capitalism and finance, the main problem of Greece has been Papandreou and his government who were hiding parts of their public Accounts....Last edit: 2012-05-07 07:16:08 |
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| aksfjh United States. May 07 2012 07:15. Posts 3681 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 07:09 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
Nobody got laid off lol.
http://wlc.drake.edu/wordpress/french/2011/09/30/teachers-strike-in-france/
I don't know which Google you're using, but there seems to be quite a few articles about teach strikes in France over jobs cut in education. |
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| Derez Netherlands. May 07 2012 07:15. Posts 4673 | Profile Blog # |
On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
French civil servants are heavily entrenched, so I'd assume the people that got laid off were laid off for good reasons.
I'm not a Sarkozy fan, and I'm kinda happy he's gone, but the French welfare state has always known excesses that simply can't be maintained on the long run. A retirement age at 60 simply isn't feasible anymore, you can't ask the next generation to pay a much larger portion of their income to provide for a much larger proportion of seniors. Those promoting solidarity (and the left overall) in Europe are mostly indebted to their babyboomer voting blocs, and the equality they speak of at times sounds like sucking every last cent out of the system before they die. Younger voters get screwed over constantly, which is why Hollande scares me too.
I'm just hoping his campaign rethoric was overblown and that has actual policies will be fairer on inter-generational grounds. |
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| Gapato France. May 07 2012 07:18. Posts 43 | Profile # |
Dude, you can cut jobs without laying off people when you're talking thousands of employees. All you have to do is not replacing people retiring. That's precisely what happened.Last edit: 2012-05-07 07:19:35 |
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| aksfjh United States. May 07 2012 07:24. Posts 3681 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 07:15 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
French civil servants are heavily entrenched, so I'd assume the people that got laid off were laid off for good reasons. I'm not a Sarkozy fan, and I'm kinda happy he's gone, but the French welfare state has always known excesses that simply can't be maintained on the long run. A retirement age at 60 simply isn't feasible anymore, you can't ask the next generation to pay a much larger portion of their income to provide for a much larger proportion of seniors. Those promoting solidarity (and the left overall) in Europe are mostly indebted to their babyboomer voting blocs, and the equality they speak of at times sounds like sucking every last cent out of the system before they die. Younger voters get screwed over constantly, which is why Hollande scares me too. I'm just hoping his campaign rethoric was overblown and that has actual policies will be fairer on inter-generational grounds.
Honestly, I don't like the idea of lowering the retirement age in this current society either, but my only point was that teachers were being "laid off." You can quable over the terminology on whether they were forced into retirement or forced to take part-time positions, but it's a lot closer to the truth than, "There is a great shortage of teachers!"
There are a lot of things I'm wary about with Hollande (in regards to EU and this side of the pond). Mainly, the policies that try to fund obvious unneccessary spending on certain groups at the extreme expense of others, like the retirement age stuff. However, his position on the economy as a whole are tremendously better than the austerity hawks running rampant through EU, pawning virtually every country off for the benefit of Germany and a few others. |
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| aksfjh United States. May 07 2012 07:27. Posts 3681 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 07:18 Gapato wrote:Dude, you can cut jobs without laying off people when you're talking thousands of employees. All you have to do is not replacing people retiring. That's precisely what happened.
So, when you don't replace them, does that magically make those seeking the teaching profession find alternate careers and drastically alter the supply of teachers in the nation? Generally, it's a giant revolving door, where there are new hires for those retiring. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of teachers who didn't get to replace those retiring who are still looking for work. |
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| Boblion France. May 07 2012 07:28. Posts 7805 | Profile Blog # |
On May 07 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:09 Boblion wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
Nobody got laid off lol.
I don't know which Google you're using, but there seems to be quite a few articles about teach strikes in France over jobs cut in education.
Teachers strikes in France are fairly common, anyway it is not about jobs cut or firing teachers it is about spending/hiring less, which is something quite different because it is extremly hard to fire a civil servant in France.
Also i use French google, newspapers, radio and TV.
On May 07 2012 07:27 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:18 Gapato wrote:Dude, you can cut jobs without laying off people when you're talking thousands of employees. All you have to do is not replacing people retiring. That's precisely what happened.
So, when you don't replace them, does that magically make those seeking the teaching profession find alternate careers and drastically alter the supply of teachers in the nation? Generally, it's a giant revolving door, where there are new hires for those retiring. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of teachers who didn't get to replace those retiring who are still looking for work.
Actually to be a teacher in France you have to pass a competitive examination, so basicly if you want to hire less people you just make the selection harder. In France you become a teacher when you have "earned" your qualification (for the rest of your life).Last edit: 2012-05-07 07:40:07 |
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| CajunMan United States. May 07 2012 07:39. Posts 801 | Profile # |
Good luck with the Socialism guys! I'm sure with a 75% tax all the remotely wealthy people will stick around for sure!
I seriously feel sorry for your country its like ya'll are now circling a drain I will be watching very closely. Good Luck. |
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| kubiks France. May 07 2012 07:42. Posts 1311 | Profile Blog # |
On May 07 2012 06:44 oHInsane wrote:With my humble knowledge about econimics, it seems to me that socialist government had some not-so-bad (even good?) resutlts in France in the past... I'll leave this thread here since politics is politics and I'm getting too old to debate with 20 years old people that abuse one liners to illustrate their ideas. I'll be very provocative and will dare to say that it's unfortunately a common attitude with rightist people (yeah i'm provocative, don't get too offended). As I said before, I'm an entrepreneur with quite some experience with work. I've worked one year in the US in a big video game company located in San Francisco as an IT project manager, I also worked to the french science research center (CNRS) in France (it's considered public sector). Then I worked for a private company as manager/associate and now I've been running my own business for two years. I don't want to brag or anything but I think I know a little about the working condition in France. Companies won't just leave France if taxes are too high. Maybe some big companies can afford to go elsewhere but I don't think it's that bad after all, cause I'm not really a fan of big companies in their way of managing people and such. There are in France a lot of business to make and that can't be ignored and i believe a lot in local business for instance. At least it's what i can tell in my activity and i'm working hard to get those businesses but they DO exist. Honnestly speaking, I'm quite tired of great market with big companies that will dictate how things should work: being more and more competitive with people that can product things (which is in my opinion the core of any companies, and not the management) are not well "valued" by their managers. I still believe there is a way where you can provide quality and human contact with your customers and just not call center and 15-pages contract. That's my idea about business. And that is why a lot of manual workers are independant and do very well on their own. Cause you need confidence for certain things and a lot of big companies are losing their customer's confidence. At least that's my "niche" to get customers. So I won't cry if some this so-called "very big" companies are planing to move elsewhere, good for them, good for me. Moving doesn't imply increasing you product quality. To get back on topic, I don't have many expectations about politics but I think France is not "lost" (lol seriously?), and that we should trust ourselves more cause we're way more powerful as individuals than any government.
Post of the thread, I kinda agree on everything.
I'm personally happy that Sarkozy is out, I couldn't stand it anymore. Even his rethoric (with a lot of rethorical questions : "do you find it normal ?",...) was pissing me off.
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| aksfjh United States. May 07 2012 07:50. Posts 3681 | Profile # |
On May 07 2012 07:28 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:09 Boblion wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:05 aksfjh wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:01 Mosquitow wrote:
On May 07 2012 06:06 Acertos wrote:XD ragnarork, y purchasing power has decreased since 30 yrs i know that but adding teacher and reducing taxes will stop this decrease (eventually u will say no, if no i can't help you), how do u want a country to sell things to their people if they just have the money to survive, its just a simple reflection. And ur ignorance must be big because u don't know that 35 students for 1 teacher is impossible to handle. Ur loved sarko deleted history in the final yr of ES and S branch of high scholl because of that policy of deleting teacher job. Now in my year i will have to study a 2yrs program in 1yr and pass the exam. U mustn't know too that a lot of schools are getting replacement on the net. And u say there is too much teacher, this is completely retarded, read this u will see that UMP is lying http://chezluc.blogspot.com/2008/04/en-france-il-y-11-lves-par-professeur.htmlThen don't try to compare France to Germany, Germany is different from every country of Europe because it has an industry of cars wich make millions so there is no point in that. And again the politic of Greece was made by Merckel and Sarkosy, it wasn't their own choice. Plus the fall of Greece was due to speculations and the manuveuring of the beloved bank goldman sachs, i supose u dont know anything about that so i wont blame you.
Actually, teacher don't demand less pupils per class but more means overall for education. As a future teacher myself, I'd rather the teaching job was promoted rather than simply adding more teachers. Some other countries in Europe have even more pupils per class and do very well. Also, there is a lack of teachers so I don't know where Hollande plans to find his 60 000 teachers....
You find them in the tens of thousands of teachers laid off over the past 4 years.
Nobody got laid off lol.
I don't know which Google you're using, but there seems to be quite a few articles about teach strikes in France over jobs cut in education.
Teachers strikes in France are fairly common, anyway it is not about jobs cut or firing teachers it is about spending/hiring less, which is something quite different because it is extremly hard to fire a civil servant in France. Also i use French google, newspapers, radio and TV.
Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 07:27 aksfjh wrote:
On May 07 2012 07:18 Gapato wrote:Dude, you can cut jobs without laying off people when you're talking thousands of employees. All you have to do is not replacing people retiring. That's precisely what happened.
So, when you don't replace them, does that magically make those seeking the teaching profession find alternate careers and drastically alter the supply of teachers in the nation? Generally, it's a giant revolving door, where there are new hires for those retiring. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of teachers who didn't get to replace those retiring who are still looking for work.
Actually to be a teacher in France you have to pass a competitive examination, so basicly if you want to hire less people you just make the selection harder. In France you become a teacher when you have "earned" your qualification (for the rest of your life).
But that should still mean that hiring 60k teachers isn't as hard as the original user speculated. That's my ultimate point, that there isn't some shortage of teachers because people aren't willing to be teachers. |
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