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 crocodile United States. June 03 2012 00:06. Posts 615 | Profile # |
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating. |
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| HeroMystic United States. June 03 2012 00:09. Posts 894 | Profile # |
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game. |
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| MockHamill Sweden. June 03 2012 00:15. Posts 570 | Profile # |
Ok I give up on mech. I thought it would be easier than bio but my winrate vs Protoss went down from 48% when going bioAir to 25% when going mech.
Mech may be powerful but it is so unforgiving compared to bio. If you make a single mistake with mech you lost the game. With bio you can come back from mistakes plus if you transition into bio/BC late game you can still compete with Protoss late game power. |
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| crocodile United States. June 03 2012 00:18. Posts 615 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 00:15 MockHamill wrote:
Ok I give up on mech. I thought it would be easier than bio but my winrate vs Protoss went down from 48% when going bioAir to 25% when going mech.
Mech may be powerful but it is so unforgiving compared to bio. If you make a single mistake with mech you lost the game. With bio you can come back from mistakes plus if you transition into bio/BC late game you can still compete with Protoss late game power.
This thread is not your journal. If you didn't come here to say anything that matters to anybody but you, why did you post anything at all?
Nobody cares if you're not playing mech anymore. If you don't have the patience or you're just straight up not good enough, that's your problem. |
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| Snowbear Korea (South). June 03 2012 00:24. Posts 1701 | Profile Blog # |
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech.
Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.Last edit: 2012-06-03 00:25:05 |
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 kollin United Kingdom. June 03 2012 00:30. Posts 4117 | Profile Blog # |
| I really like this build, but I'm struggling against pushes at around the 16min mark that consist of chargelot immortal with a few stackers and archons mixed in. We usually trade evenly, but then my opponent just warps in another round of zealots and I die. I go with the ghost mech and a usually quite successful at all other stages of the game apart from just then. Any advice? |
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| Severus_ June 03 2012 01:35. Posts 740 | Profile Blog # |
| Check the reps. Lyyna builds thors and some bancheeze and when the push comes snipe the obs and let the bancheeze do the work. |
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| Theovide Sweden. June 03 2012 02:33. Posts 912 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
No, but it's not reliable to rely on a big amount of kills with your blueflame helions, because they are really easy to stop for the P if he or she knows what to do against them. |
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| crocodile United States. June 03 2012 02:48. Posts 615 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly. |
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| Snowbear Korea (South). June 03 2012 03:25. Posts 1701 | Profile Blog # |
On June 03 2012 02:48 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly.
Bio is possible without drops or without probekills.
Mech is not possible, unless you get ahead (like mass probekills). Protoss has too much hardcounters (immortal, blinkstalker, feedback). I checked lynna's reps, and he wins when:
- he gets a GUHE lead because of harass.
- he turtles and brings his opponent into a coma. |
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| crocodile United States. June 03 2012 03:32. Posts 615 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 03:25 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:48 crocodile wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly.
is possible without drops or without probekills. Mech is not possible, unless you get ahead (like mass probekills). Protoss has too much hardcounters (immortal, blinkstalker, feedback). I checked lynna's reps, and he wins when: - he gets a GUHE lead because of harass. - he turtles and brings his opponent into a coma.
You didn't watch the replays if you think that's the only way he wins games.
By the way, one of the strengths of mech compared to bio in this matchup is that when mech gets ahead, it will roll with the advantage until victory, while bio can still lose easily to one storm or over/undermaking vikings vs colossi. Mech will almost always win when it has that advantage.
I'm not saying mech is viable at the highest levels, but if it's not, it isn't because the unit composition is inferior. It's because a REALLY good protoss player will know just how to utilize blink stalkers and warp prisms to stall the mech player while they get a huge economic lead themselves and then just roll over the terran, but that requires a lot of skill to do and it is not easy. The only other way to win is when the mech player messes up, which is the same as with any other unit composition.Last edit: 2012-06-03 03:32:59 |
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| Lyyna June 03 2012 06:12. Posts 418 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 00:30 kollin wrote:
I really like this build, but I'm struggling against pushes at around the 16min mark that consist of chargelot immortal with a few stackers and archons mixed in. We usually trade evenly, but then my opponent just warps in another round of zealots and I die. I go with the ghost mech and a usually quite successful at all other stages of the game apart from just then. Any advice?
Usually, just stay behind a wall , basically go heavier on thors than tanks, and makes obs sniping a priority (if you see he only has 1 obs..worth sacrificing a thor to do so). But some replays would be good as this can be done in a lot of differents ways
On June 03 2012 03:25 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:48 crocodile wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly.
is possible without drops or without probekills. Mech is not possible, unless you get ahead (like mass probekills). Protoss has too much hardcounters (immortal, blinkstalker, feedback). I checked lynna's reps, and he wins when: - he gets a GUHE lead because of harass. - he turtles and brings his opponent into a coma.
And basically bio wins when..
-You get a big lead early/midgame (which was directly admitted by blizzard and most terrans,even pro - so if you say this is wrong, you should make a guide about your own TvP biostyle as well, as you'll become terran' savior)
-Getting the protoss out of position cuz' he's sleeping cuz u're walking through the whole map since 20 minutes
...and even with that you can often get fucked
Yes,i'm exagerating, but you get my point ? You're pointing things that applies to bio as well.
Saying that mech is ompossible without mass probekills is stupid and shows that you didn't even try to grab some infos about it. I win with mech often with 0 probes kills in TvP . . and in fact in TvZ as well.Last edit: 2012-06-03 06:18:50 |
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| Lyyna June 03 2012 06:16. Posts 418 | Profile # |
| failed,hit quote instead of edit Last edit: 2012-06-03 06:17:28 |
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| Severus_ June 03 2012 06:22. Posts 740 | Profile Blog # |
On June 03 2012 03:25 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:48 crocodile wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly.
is possible without drops or without probekills. Mech is not possible, unless you get ahead (like mass probekills). Protoss has too much hardcounters (immortal, blinkstalker, feedback). I checked lynna's reps, and he wins when: - he gets a GUHE lead because of harass. - he turtles and brings his opponent into a coma.
Never seen someone so wrong....If you get to late game with mech you win. It doesn't matter what the other guy is doing as long you don't get vortexed. You can check it yourself split half map with your protoss buddie mass up and let him do frontal attacks. He will never ever win if you play correctly. The only way to LOSE with mech is if he allins you or he does multi-attacks and expands behind that.
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| Squigly United Kingdom. June 03 2012 06:43. Posts 629 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 06:22 Severus_ wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:25 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 02:48 crocodile wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Its TvP bio exactly reversed, if thats easier to think about for people who dont really get it. Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly.
is possible without drops or without probekills. Mech is not possible, unless you get ahead (like mass probekills). Protoss has too much hardcounters (immortal, blinkstalker, feedback). I checked lynna's reps, and he wins when: - he gets a GUHE lead because of harass. - he turtles and brings his opponent into a coma.
Never seen someone so wrong....If you get to late game with mech you win. It doesn't matter what the other guy is doing as long you don't get vortexed. You can check it yourself split half map with your protoss buddie mass up and let him do frontal attacks. He will never ever win if you play correctly. The only way to LOSE with mech is if he allins you or he does multi-attacks and expands behind that.
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| Snowbear Korea (South). June 03 2012 07:07. Posts 1701 | Profile Blog # |
On June 03 2012 06:22 Severus_ wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:25 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 02:48 crocodile wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly.
is possible without drops or without probekills. Mech is not possible, unless you get ahead (like mass probekills). Protoss has too much hardcounters (immortal, blinkstalker, feedback). I checked lynna's reps, and he wins when: - he gets a GUHE lead because of harass. - he turtles and brings his opponent into a coma.
Never seen someone so wrong....If you get to late game with mech you win. It doesn't matter what the other guy is doing as long you don't get vortexed. You can check it yourself split half map with your protoss buddie mass up and let him do frontal attacks. He will never ever win if you play correctly. The only way to LOSE with mech is if he allins you or he does multi-attacks and expands behind that.
Yes, if you get to late game with mech you win, that's why every pro is going mech and tries to get to the lategame, so he can grab his win... oh wait.
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| Lyyna June 03 2012 07:14. Posts 418 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 07:07 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 06:22 Severus_ wrote:
On June 03 2012 03:25 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 02:48 crocodile wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:24 Snowbear wrote:
On June 03 2012 00:06 crocodile wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
Right guys, if you kill a SINGLE PROBE with harass, you are only winning because you harassed with your mech build. Everyone knows that if you harass it's basically cheating.
On June 03 2012 00:09 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 02 2012 22:15 Snowbear wrote:
On June 02 2012 12:33 Nightmarjoo wrote:Build works against top100 gm on NA, even when done poorly: http://drop.sc/189956Thors are better than thanks. Higher hp and dps than tanks per supply and per cost and can kill air; but tanks have range/splash that helps kill zlots/ht.
The problem with these kind of builds is that people don't see why they won. Your win was because of the 15 probe kills (thanks to late robo), not because mech is viable.
You need a lot more than 15 probe kills to say you won the game.
Newsflash: 15 probes = 750 minerals lost + those 15 probes would be mining if they weren't dead = HUGE advantage! He played with a huge advantage, and yes, then I can even kill mc and squirtle with mech. Imagine those 15 probes wouldn't have died: the toss could expand and his eco would've been much better.
Right, but how is that any different than dropping with bio? It's like you're saying 'well, if the Terran didn't drop and snipe the Protoss' Robo, the Protoss would have had enough Colossi out to melt his bioball so bio is clearly not viable!' Harassment is part of mech, just like drops are a part of bio. You don't RELY on the drops doing damage just as you don't RELY on the harass doing damage with mech. If you want, I can provide you with plenty of mech tvp replays where I won despite having invested in harassment and having it fail horribly.
is possible without drops or without probekills. Mech is not possible, unless you get ahead (like mass probekills). Protoss has too much hardcounters (immortal, blinkstalker, feedback). I checked lynna's reps, and he wins when: - he gets a GUHE lead because of harass. - he turtles and brings his opponent into a coma.
Never seen someone so wrong....If you get to late game with mech you win. It doesn't matter what the other guy is doing as long you don't get vortexed. You can check it yourself split half map with your protoss buddie mass up and let him do frontal attacks. He will never ever win if you play correctly. The only way to LOSE with mech is if he allins you or he does multi-attacks and expands behind that.
Yes, if you get to late game with mech you win, that's why every pro is going mech and tries to get to the lategame, so he can grab his win... oh wait.
Honestly guy,i don't mind talking about my style , his viability,etc, but if your whole argumentations rely on humoristic/ironics statements and false ideas/"facts" that proves you didn't watch any replay (and which , especially for the "need to get an early advantage" thing, apply to bio as well. Blizz and community approved yo), there is some general thread about TvP mech viability for you to post that kind of thing...Last edit: 2012-06-03 07:14:38 |
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| Sergio1992 Italy. June 03 2012 07:36. Posts 521 | Profile Blog # |
| NVM Last edit: 2012-06-03 07:36:43 |
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| Nightmarjoo United States. June 14 2012 14:27. Posts 2645 | Profile Blog # |
Today's wins with the build; all high masters and 1 gm last season.
http://drop.sc/197535
http://drop.sc/197536
http://drop.sc/197537
http://drop.sc/197539
Went 4-2 in ladder and 0-1 in customs with it. One loss was due to completely forgetting Ghosts and losing to a 3robo immortal all-in as result. Another was due to attempting to fix a hotkey error when he happened to attack, so I couldn't position everything properly or micro well. The third loss was my being too aggressive with my army. |
| | aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow, Supernova, Keen - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat |
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| Severus_ June 15 2012 04:19. Posts 740 | Profile Blog # |
| Keep them coming. I'm trying some new stuff in the new season but i had mixed results. |
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