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| Ideas United States. March 24 2012 12:09. Posts 7428 | Profile Blog # |
| why stop at just bw and sc2 for STARCRAFT proleague? let's throw in original starcraft. and why not a few UMS maps too? |
| | BW is the only esport. gogo STX/Bogus/Calm/Jaedong/Kal/MINI |  |
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| RageCommodore Germany. March 24 2012 12:11. Posts 823 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 12:06 Winechu wrote:
What the fuckery is this. Give the fans who want BW, BW. Stop pushing the SC2 bullshit, leave it to GOM. SC2 isn't even doing that well. I'm more than just disappointed, this is just so so dumb. I'll pray hard this isn't implemented.
You realize that there is a demand for OGN-produced SC2 content, right?
Anyway, I hope Kespa rethinks this stupidity, because this move could be, quite frankly, "killing Esports". |
| | BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: NN_Commodore | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, KrasS, Delphi, Last, BoguS | Mass BC/ Ghost ftw! | song of the week: Imagine Dragons - Radioactive |  |
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 white_horse March 24 2012 12:19. Posts 951 | Profile # |
SC2 as an esport hasn't lived up to its expectations in korea. It's play rate in internet cafes or the fan response for the professional tournaments is really lukewarm at best. These are facts. No matter what SC2 fans may think, this is the reality. SC2 just doesn't deliver as a spectator sport. And now they are trying to cram BW and SC2 together in order to scrape as much viewership from the bottom of the bucket. It's just fucking idiotic.
They must have all agreed that SC2 is total shit as a spectator sport because they are trying to combine SC2 and BW. Did they think they were going to attract viewership from BW fans by sprinkling in BW games? It's like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting it to win a beauty contest.Last edit: 2012-03-24 12:25:29 |
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| Zona March 24 2012 12:24. Posts 40425 | Profile Blog # |
| Man, I want this to be true just to see what a big trainwreck it would be. |
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| Highways Australia. March 24 2012 12:27. Posts 5748 | Profile # |
I don't mind it.
Sounds fun. |
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| Fischbacher Canada. March 24 2012 12:31. Posts 553 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 10:44 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 10:41 Rococo wrote:
Obviously this rumor is baffling, but if SC2 and BW were to be linked in a subtler way, even something as small as one game coming on right after the other on OGN, I would have to agree with the people saying that it would be better for BW than SC2. I say this as someone who didn't watch a professional BW game until after playing SC2's beta.
About graphics as a barrier to entry, something I've noticed is that the opinion many non-BW fans have of BW's graphics comes from low resolution, low FPS restreams and Youtube videos. People often think the game looks much worse than it does. (Multiple times I've linked a higher resolution restream than Nanashin's to people and they've remarked that they didn't realize BW was so nice to look at.) Also keep in mind that many SC2 players prefer to play it with graphics set to low. The SC2 community is already predisposed to value clarity over flashiness.
Yup, there are many things that can mislead them into thinking the graphics are grainy when they aren't really at all. Especially if you watch crappy restreams or WCG lmao.
Honestly, if there was a patch that made BW go to a more modern resolution (and 16 ) the complains about the graphics would stop. The resolution is my /only/ complaint about BW's graphics. WoL is arguably uglier to look at at a low rez than BW, tbh. Its just that most WoL streams are at a really good rez. |
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| RageCommodore Germany. March 24 2012 12:32. Posts 823 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 12:19 white_horse wrote:
SC2 as an esport hasn't lived up to its expectations in korea. It's play rate in internet cafes or the fan response for the professional tournaments is really lukewarm at best. This couldn't be more obvious given the boringness of watching SC2 as a spectator sport. And now they are trying to cram BW and SC2 together in order to scrape as much viewership from the bottom of the bucket. This is just fucking idiotic.
They must have all agreed that SC2 is total shit as a spectator sport. Did they think they were going to attract viewership from all the BW fans by sprinkling in BW games? It's like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting it to win a beauty contest.
I don't think that that's what Kespa was thinking when they made this plan. In all honesty, it sounds more like they either planned this as a test run to check if SC2 works in their format or they just had no time and had to incorporate it into their preset time schedule (or both). Also, "sprinkling in BW games" does not make sense at all because the games attract a different attendance (for the most part at least). It would probably deflect the people that are interested solely in SC2, too.
Aside from that, your post sounds really angry and bitter. |
| | BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: NN_Commodore | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, KrasS, Delphi, Last, BoguS | Mass BC/ Ghost ftw! | song of the week: Imagine Dragons - Radioactive | |
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| Zona March 24 2012 12:41. Posts 40425 | Profile Blog # |
On March 24 2012 12:32 RageCommodore wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 12:19 white_horse wrote:
SC2 as an esport hasn't lived up to its expectations in korea. It's play rate in internet cafes or the fan response for the professional tournaments is really lukewarm at best. This couldn't be more obvious given the boringness of watching SC2 as a spectator sport. And now they are trying to cram BW and SC2 together in order to scrape as much viewership from the bottom of the bucket. This is just fucking idiotic.
They must have all agreed that SC2 is total shit as a spectator sport. Did they think they were going to attract viewership from all the BW fans by sprinkling in BW games? It's like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting it to win a beauty contest.
I don't think that that's what Kespa was thinking when they made this plan. In all honesty, it sounds more like they either planned this as a test run to check if SC2 works in their format or they just had no time and had to incorporate it into their preset time schedule (or both). Also, "sprinkling in BW games" does not make sense at all because the games attract a different attendance (for the most part at least). It would probably deflect the people that are interested solely in SC2, too. Aside from that, your post sounds really angry and bitter.
It seems like they're hedging their bets - seeing if SC2 will catch on rather than switching entirely right away, just in case a complete switch to SC2 flubs.
But let's suppose that some of the fans only enjoy BW - will they put up with having half of the games as non-BW? |
| | "If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon | |
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| RageCommodore Germany. March 24 2012 12:46. Posts 823 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 12:41 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 12:32 RageCommodore wrote:
On March 24 2012 12:19 white_horse wrote:
SC2 as an esport hasn't lived up to its expectations in korea. It's play rate in internet cafes or the fan response for the professional tournaments is really lukewarm at best. This couldn't be more obvious given the boringness of watching SC2 as a spectator sport. And now they are trying to cram BW and SC2 together in order to scrape as much viewership from the bottom of the bucket. This is just fucking idiotic.
They must have all agreed that SC2 is total shit as a spectator sport. Did they think they were going to attract viewership from all the BW fans by sprinkling in BW games? It's like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting it to win a beauty contest.
I don't think that that's what Kespa was thinking when they made this plan. In all honesty, it sounds more like they either planned this as a test run to check if SC2 works in their format or they just had no time and had to incorporate it into their preset time schedule (or both). Also, "sprinkling in BW games" does not make sense at all because the games attract a different attendance (for the most part at least). It would probably deflect the people that are interested solely in SC2, too. Aside from that, your post sounds really angry and bitter.
It seems like they're hedging their bets - seeing if SC2 will catch on rather than switching entirely right away, just in case a complete switch to SC2 flubs. But let's suppose that some of the fans only enjoy BW - will they put up with having half of the games as non-BW?
As I already said: with this system, either side looses badly.
If you really want to attract fans of one game to the other, give them a default rebate so they can "test the waters". This sytem is just forcing either game down the throat of both communities.
The hammer method never works. |
| | BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: NN_Commodore | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, KrasS, Delphi, Last, BoguS | Mass BC/ Ghost ftw! | song of the week: Imagine Dragons - Radioactive | |
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| fabiano Brazil. March 24 2012 12:49. Posts 3839 | Profile Blog # |
This won't work out, no worries.
If anything SC2 will just look like a pretentious wannabe replacement. Especially if the games played are the usual lackluster. |
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| ThatGuyDoMo Australia. March 24 2012 12:50. Posts 487 | Profile Blog # |
I really hope this doesn't happen.
Just straight BW or straight SC2 that is all I want. |
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| Jealous United States. March 24 2012 13:27. Posts 2206 | Profile Blog # |
On March 24 2012 12:19 white_horse wrote:
SC2 as an esport hasn't lived up to its expectations in korea. It's play rate in internet cafes or the fan response for the professional tournaments is really lukewarm at best. These are facts. No matter what SC2 fans may think, this is the reality. SC2 just doesn't deliver as a spectator sport. And now they are trying to cram BW and SC2 together in order to scrape as much viewership from the bottom of the bucket. It's just fucking idiotic.
They must have all agreed that SC2 is total shit as a spectator sport because they are trying to combine SC2 and BW. Did they think they were going to attract viewership from BW fans by sprinkling in BW games? It's like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting it to win a beauty contest.
QFT
I couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for summing up my (and I'm sure other people's) thoughts so well. |
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| plaszczka Poland. March 24 2012 14:11. Posts 376 | Profile # | |
| | I apologize for all my english mistakes. I used to write really good senteces in this lenguage, but nowadays, i smoke too much weed and drink too much vodka. So you must forgive me :) |  |
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| Jonoman92 United States. March 24 2012 14:12. Posts 7411 | Profile Blog # |
| No way this can actually happen, right? |
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| [Azn]Nada United States. March 24 2012 14:19. Posts 265 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 12:19 white_horse wrote:
SC2 as an esport hasn't lived up to its expectations in korea. It's play rate in internet cafes or the fan response for the professional tournaments is really lukewarm at best. These are facts. No matter what SC2 fans may think, this is the reality. SC2 just doesn't deliver as a spectator sport. And now they are trying to cram BW and SC2 together in order to scrape as much viewership from the bottom of the bucket. It's just fucking idiotic.
They must have all agreed that SC2 is total shit as a spectator sport because they are trying to combine SC2 and BW. Did they think they were going to attract viewership from BW fans by sprinkling in BW games? It's like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting it to win a beauty contest.
White horse, are you from korea? I really want to believe what you are saying about the SC2 not catch in on in korea (I love BW to death, could care less about sc2), but I really am not sure if your right. If you are from korea/know korea well, what are GSL attendence rates, and how do they compare to BW, etc.
Can you explain some of this stuff? Thanks!
Also, this idea seems really strange at best... will flash be playing both games then? |
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| RaiKageRyu Canada. March 24 2012 14:43. Posts 3957 | Profile # |
If this shit is true, then it's confirms the fact KeSPA does not have a vision. This is why Korean ESPORTS stopped growing and has been holding the scene back.
Not enough balls to make a decisive decision making a mockery of the game by sticking one feet in and one foot out.
There is no safe way to transition out of one game to another. You simply gotta go all in or don't go at all. |
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| Eun_Star United States. March 24 2012 14:46. Posts 322 | Profile # |
| i'll stop watching starcraft if this happens. you can't force bw fans to watch sc2 / sc2 fans to watch bw. this is stupid. |
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doubleupgradeobbies!  Australia. March 24 2012 14:51. Posts 960 | Profile Blog # |
| Well fuck that, I guess no more watching live streams for me, I guess i'll just go watch the vods afterwards so I don't have to sit through whole games of sc2 just to get my BW. |
| | MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end. | |
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| yawnoC United States. March 24 2012 14:53. Posts 2520 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 04:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:42 yawnoC wrote:
This idea popped into my head once but I didn't think they would actually do it because IMO it is a stupid idea. The only reason to do it is to slowly introduce the BW Purists to a new game slowly.
Hey, buying and trying the game for $60 and watching MLG several times don't count as "introducing ... a new game slowly"? When I see you guys complain it feels like you believe 'BW Purists' pop out of the ground nowhere with hatred of SC2. News flash, there are some brood war players who actually like SC2 and play both games. Why don't you wait for the metagame to develop better so that more people will like the game that way instead of trying to brainwash us forcibly?
[QUOTE]On March 24 2012 04:52 StarStruck wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 24 2012 04:42 yawnoC wrote:
This idea popped into my head once but I didn't think they would actually do it because IMO it is a stupid idea. The only reason to do it is to slowly introduce the BW Purists to a new game slowly.[/QUOTE]
The vast majority of people who were interested in SC2 already made the transition. We're talking about a trinkle.
Blizzard would be better off releasing HotS and making sure they don't make the same mistakes twice.
I am talking about inside korea because its obvious a massive amount of the audience hasn't switched...Last edit: 2012-03-24 14:56:44 |
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| doubleupgradeobbies! Australia. March 24 2012 14:55. Posts 960 | Profile Blog # |
On March 24 2012 14:53 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
On March 24 2012 04:42 yawnoC wrote:
This idea popped into my head once but I didn't think they would actually do it because IMO it is a stupid idea. The only reason to do it is to slowly introduce the BW Purists to a new game slowly.
Hey, buying and trying the game for $60 and watching MLG several times don't count as "introducing ... a new game slowly"? When I see you guys complain it feels like you believe 'BW Purists' pop out of the ground nowhere with hatred of SC2. News flash, there are some brood war players who actually like SC2 and play both games. Why don't you wait for the metagame to develop better so that more people will like the game that way instead of trying to brainwash us forcibly?
I am talking about inside korea ... which is where this change it going to be happening ... way to over react -.-;
News flash, who do you think were the first people to play sc2 beta? Yes it's the 'BW purists' both inside and outside korea. This is not a matter of introducing us to sc2, we've already been acquainted. Forcibly reintroducing us or 'them' being the ones in Korea isn't going to make a spot of difference no matter how slow you do it.Last edit: 2012-03-24 14:56:39 |
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