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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please. | Roblin Sweden. March 25 2012 05:43. Posts 835 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:31 Corrupted wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 05:22 Holgerius wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:10 InoyouS2 wrote:
The BW fans in this thread are so incredibly rude and obnoxious to the SC2 fans, it makes me sick, but then again at least it demonstrates the differences between the two communities.
Dude, get off your high horse.  Generalizations are bad.
I feel like that is an unfair generalization of generalizations.
the proper term would be metageneralizations. |
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| Holytornados United States. March 25 2012 05:43. Posts 623 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:31 skatblast wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 05:12 Xiphos wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:10 Clbull wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
I don't see why he's been warned for this post. No offence but Brood War is very dated in terms of many things: - Graphics look so dated that the game could probably have been ported to the SNES with little trouble.
- In terms of gameplay mechnics and controls, the game is more tedious to play than Kid Icarus: Uprising (a recently released brilliant game that is sadly hampered by terrible controls.) Remember that Brood War is from an era where the concepts of having more than 12 units or 1 building in a control group didn't exist and smart casting wasn't even implemented. To call Brood War a mechanically nice game to play would be a complete lie. Larger control groups didn't arrive until Age of Empires 2 in 1999.
- Every other country's e-sports scene has virtually abanadoned Brood War. Currently, iCCup and Garena are the only remaining popular ladder choices, it's been dropped as a World Cyber Games event and many ex-BW pros have switched either to LoL or SC2.
- For the last 14 years of Brood War's existence, South Korea has been entirely dominating in the e-sport to the point where there's virtually no way for a non-Korean to compete in Korea.
And that's not the same as SC2? Seriously, SC2 is dominated just as much by the Korean than in BW.
Theres alot more foreigners in sc2 that can do damage
I'm going to have to agree that there are plenty of foreigners that are at the level with the ability to compete at the current level of play.
I also don't understand why the original nested quote was warned. I happen to agree that BW is slightly dated as a competitive game. |
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| Clbull United Kingdom. March 25 2012 05:44. Posts 909 | Profile Blog # |
On March 25 2012 05:24 eviltomahawk wrote:Eh, interesting OP, but the entire thread is devolving into the standard BW vs SC2 BS that pops up once in a while.
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 05:12 Xiphos wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:10 Clbull wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
I don't see why he's been warned for this post. No offence but Brood War is very dated in terms of many things: - Graphics look so dated that the game could probably have been ported to the SNES with little trouble.
- In terms of gameplay mechnics and controls, the game is more tedious to play than Kid Icarus: Uprising (a recently released brilliant game that is sadly hampered by terrible controls.) Remember that Brood War is from an era where the concepts of having more than 12 units or 1 building in a control group didn't exist and smart casting wasn't even implemented. To call Brood War a mechanically nice game to play would be a complete lie. Larger control groups didn't arrive until Age of Empires 2 in 1999.
- Every other country's e-sports scene has virtually abanadoned Brood War. Currently, iCCup and Garena are the only remaining popular ladder choices, it's been dropped as a World Cyber Games event and many ex-BW pros have switched either to LoL or SC2.
- For the last 14 years of Brood War's existence, South Korea has been entirely dominating in the e-sport to the point where there's virtually no way for a non-Korean to compete in Korea.
And that's not the same as SC2? Seriously, SC2 is dominated just as much by the Korean than in BW.
I disagree. It really depends on which era of BW you look at. Pre-2006, there were a handful of foreigners that could go toe-to-toe with some of the Koreans. Not so much in more recent times. Put Idra in a group with MVP, Nestea, and Lucky, and there will be some people that believe that he might catch a lucky break and make it out of the group assuming that MVP and Nestea are on an off-day. Put Idra in a group with Flash, Jaedong, and Zero, and it would be a total joke. Top foreigners are still very much competitive in SC2. How long that may last is not certain, especially if the BW teams start streaming in.
Who knows? When the Brood War S teamers begin to step into StarCraft II, maybe the foreigners could learn a thing or twenty from their styles of play.
In fact, I got a theory. You may recall that WinDy a.k.a MajOr ended up leaving CheckSix for a much better team deal which has been as-of-yet undisclosed. What if one of the Brood War teams hired him to bolester up their StarCraft II roster?Last edit: 2012-03-25 05:45:31 |
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| Skullflower United States. March 25 2012 05:44. Posts 2258 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.
Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.
Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.
I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.
That's not even close to accurate in regards to the numbers that IPL and NASL get..Last edit: 2012-03-25 05:44:30 |
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| If players play both games does that mean we could see Boxer or Nada playing BW again? |
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| goaga Romania. March 25 2012 05:46. Posts 36 | Profile # |
| WOW, all the BW monsters playing sc2? That would be amazing. |
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| Cokefreak Finland. March 25 2012 05:47. Posts 5662 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:44 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 05:24 eviltomahawk wrote:Eh, interesting OP, but the entire thread is devolving into the standard BW vs SC2 BS that pops up once in a while.
On March 25 2012 05:12 Xiphos wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:10 Clbull wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
I don't see why he's been warned for this post. No offence but Brood War is very dated in terms of many things: - Graphics look so dated that the game could probably have been ported to the SNES with little trouble.
- In terms of gameplay mechnics and controls, the game is more tedious to play than Kid Icarus: Uprising (a recently released brilliant game that is sadly hampered by terrible controls.) Remember that Brood War is from an era where the concepts of having more than 12 units or 1 building in a control group didn't exist and smart casting wasn't even implemented. To call Brood War a mechanically nice game to play would be a complete lie. Larger control groups didn't arrive until Age of Empires 2 in 1999.
- Every other country's e-sports scene has virtually abanadoned Brood War. Currently, iCCup and Garena are the only remaining popular ladder choices, it's been dropped as a World Cyber Games event and many ex-BW pros have switched either to LoL or SC2.
- For the last 14 years of Brood War's existence, South Korea has been entirely dominating in the e-sport to the point where there's virtually no way for a non-Korean to compete in Korea.
And that's not the same as SC2? Seriously, SC2 is dominated just as much by the Korean than in BW.
I disagree. It really depends on which era of BW you look at. Pre-2006, there were a handful of foreigners that could go toe-to-toe with some of the Koreans. Not so much in more recent times. Put Idra in a group with MVP, Nestea, and Lucky, and there will be some people that believe that he might catch a lucky break and make it out of the group assuming that MVP and Nestea are on an off-day. Put Idra in a group with Flash, Jaedong, and Zero, and it would be a total joke. Top foreigners are still very much competitive in SC2. How long that may last is not certain, especially if the BW teams start streaming in.
Who knows? When the Brood War S teamers begin to step into StarCraft II, maybe the foreigners could learn a thing or twenty from their styles of play. In fact, I got a theory. You may recall that WinDy a.k.a MajOr ended up leaving CheckSix for a much better team deal which has been as-of-yet undisclosed. What if one of the Brood War teams hired him to bolester up their StarCraft II roster?
Oh god more Major drama incoming :D |
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| Exempt. United States. March 25 2012 05:47. Posts 402 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 03:13 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 03:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.
Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.
just to let you know that SC2 is kinda moved away form blob vs blob.
Nope, can't really recall a game that isn't blob v blob unless it is TvT. Most of them are blob v blob cuz it would be stupid to split your forces and play at such a disadvantage when grouping all your units into one army is the most effective. I follow both games and zvp, zvt and tvp are still blob vs blob.
Only blob I remember looking at was the entirety of BW. Glad it's leaving.
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| Cereb Denmark. March 25 2012 05:47. Posts 2404 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:03 TheTurk wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
Clearly you're an ignorant moron. BW has been around longer yes, but it is currently and in my opinion will and should always be present in the competitive scene. It's a different game. You'll find dozens of threads explaining and discussing this all over TL. Please do some research before you make stupidly obtuse statements on subjects you have no informational basis to comment on.
What the hell is going on here? How did the first guy get a warning for his statement while this other guy just throws trash at him in the name of BW and gets away with it? :/ |
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| colingrad United States. March 25 2012 05:48. Posts 200 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:44 Skullflower wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.
Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.
Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.
I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.
That's not even close to accurate in regards to the numbers that IPL and NASL get..
there's not as much need to watch restreams on TL anymore as there is now an official broadcast on youtube that is live and can be watched by anyone. |
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| Ksquared United States. March 25 2012 05:49. Posts 1584 | Profile # |
I'm so torn about this. I love both Starcrafts  |
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| Redmark Canada. March 25 2012 05:49. Posts 1987 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:47 Cereb wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 05:03 TheTurk wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
Clearly you're an ignorant moron. BW has been around longer yes, but it is currently and in my opinion will and should always be present in the competitive scene. It's a different game. You'll find dozens of threads explaining and discussing this all over TL. Please do some research before you make stupidly obtuse statements on subjects you have no informational basis to comment on.
What the hell is going on here? How did the first guy get a warning for his statement while this other guy just throws trash at him in the name of BW and gets away with it? :/
The first post was no-effort and kind of trollish. While the second post was a lot worse in terms of post quality it was more of an emotional reaction which I guess the mods take into account. |
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| hunts United States. March 25 2012 05:52. Posts 1645 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:38 PlosionCornu wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
I watch both games, and I browse both forums here on tl. This is just unfair, he did not deserve a warning for this. We are on the sc2 forum, and he stated something factually true and unconfutable. For the record far worse happens in the bw forums, without any action taken.(other than justified bans for trolling obv). Be fairer, TL.
I agree completely. Would love to get a reason for why he was warned, or find out which mod did it or if anything will be done to said mod. It's hilarious that BW fans get away with more than SC2 fans do on SC2 forums, while if someone even as much as breathes a word of SC2 not being worthless in the BW forums its an automatic ban. |
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| Taiki Norway. March 25 2012 05:52. Posts 57 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:38 PlosionCornu wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
I watch both games, and I browse both forums here on tl. This is just unfair, he did not deserve a warning for this. We are on the sc2 forum, and he stated something factually true and unconfutable. For the record far worse happens in the bw forums, without any action taken.(other than justified bans for trolling obv). Be fairer, TL.
Read the TL commandments.
Especially the first one. |
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| DyEnasTy United States. March 25 2012 05:54. Posts 3421 | Profile Blog # |
On March 25 2012 04:02 zezamer wrote:
Could you bw guys take your anger to your own forum ?
teamliquid is our forum. It was founded on BW. If your reasoning is gonna be like that, go found your own site based on SC2.
As far as the OP. It kills me to see BW die and watch my favorite BW pros play SC2. But Id rather see them play SC2 than retire entirely. At least I can watch them one way or the other. |
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| setzer United States. March 25 2012 05:55. Posts 3271 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:44 Skullflower wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.
Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.
Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.
I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.
That's not even close to accurate in regards to the numbers that IPL and NASL get..
I have regularly seen NASL pull 600-700 viewers, that is NOT bullshit. |
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| TBone- March 25 2012 05:55. Posts 1749 | Profile Blog # |
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| idonthinksobro March 25 2012 05:56. Posts 586 | Profile # |
There is no more fanbase for broodwar if you are 14 you don't want to watch a game that is older than you are, you much rather want to play some fps or lol or some casual game with you friends. In Pc-Bangs people play lol or dota2 or world of warcraft, there will be no new generation of broodwar players.
The traffic on all the broodwar fansites is going down, on Tl if you get 5 new threads a day in the broodwar forums that is already a lot. Iccup is slowly but surely dieing, other broodwar ladders already stopped their service.
People that still watch broodwar are probably between 20-40 years old or korean girls that adore some pros.
I watch OSL games occasionally just because broodwar was an awesome game for like 8 years of my life, but i don't get up in the middle of the night just to watch a game anymore.
It just seems that there is no more money in broodwar and there are rumors that most of the broodwar pros already started playing Starcraft 2.
So yeah i agree with the person at the start that it is inevitable that broodwar broadcasts will end some day. Nobody really knows if that is in a year or two but broodwar wont be there for another 15 years for sure. |
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| 1Eris1 United States. March 25 2012 05:57. Posts 5797 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:52 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 05:38 PlosionCornu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
I watch both games, and I browse both forums here on tl. This is just unfair, he did not deserve a warning for this. We are on the sc2 forum, and he stated something factually true and unconfutable. For the record far worse happens in the bw forums, without any action taken.(other than justified bans for trolling obv). Be fairer, TL.
I agree completely. Would love to get a reason for why he was warned, or find out which mod did it or if anything will be done to said mod. It's hilarious that BW fans get away with more than SC2 fans do on SC2 forums, while if someone even as much as breathes a word of SC2 not being worthless in the BW forums its an automatic ban.
I don't think the dude should have been warned either but I sincerely suggest you reread the commandments again. They don't have to be fair, and they don't have to explain their reasonings. |
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| hunts United States. March 25 2012 05:58. Posts 1645 | Profile # |
On March 25 2012 05:57 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 05:52 hunts wrote:
On March 25 2012 05:38 PlosionCornu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post
I watch both games, and I browse both forums here on tl. This is just unfair, he did not deserve a warning for this. We are on the sc2 forum, and he stated something factually true and unconfutable. For the record far worse happens in the bw forums, without any action taken.(other than justified bans for trolling obv). Be fairer, TL.
I agree completely. Would love to get a reason for why he was warned, or find out which mod did it or if anything will be done to said mod. It's hilarious that BW fans get away with more than SC2 fans do on SC2 forums, while if someone even as much as breathes a word of SC2 not being worthless in the BW forums its an automatic ban.
I don't think the dude should have been warned either but I sincerely suggest you reread the commandments again. They don't have to be fair, and they don't have to explain their reasonings.
It would most likely be a good idea to do so, however, when said action angers a lot of the SC2 members, which are a great big number of the forum members, which indirectly support TL by seeing ads. |
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