Death Factory Mafia 2

Since it seems some of you just didn't read the OP or DFM 1 realize that you can instantly kill, or threaten to kill someone by pulling them DOWN towards the bottom of the queue. Think of the incineration zone as a deadline enforced lynch, and the bottom of the queue as an instant lynch. I think this should make things even simpler.

No sir I fully get it, however unless I can unlaunch my nuke there is not much we can do about it. I also wasn't posting as much because I didn't fully read the rules yet LOL! - RebirthofLegend in WaW Mafia

Cephiro Finland. April 03 2012 02:40. Posts 662

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I would not let Palmar get the item yet. He is blatantly ignoring some of the people and he has not shown enough pro-town play to be trusted with it. I don't like VE's reasoning that "I want to see what he does with it", either.

Also layabout, pushing someone to the first lethal spot is not that likely to ensure a kill imo.., and remember that if Palmar decides to reverse the queue, then things will change around quite a bit.

Snarfs brings up a good point, it could be smart to wait for risk's claim before using more actions, just in case. As Tobon already managed to somewhat waste his push for example.

risk.nuke Sweden. April 03 2012 02:46. Posts 2763

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sorry, the red light is not my abillity. Interesting how some people immidiatly choose to distract the discussion from the lynch candidates.

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Bill Murray United States. April 03 2012 02:49. Posts 7053

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so one of sylllogism or cephiro are scum if he used his ability towards the bottom
if he used it the other way, it would be a false positive, as there is only 1 person on the rung above him, and syllogism wouldn't count (he's to the right, and therefore counts upwards, i believe)

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Bill Murray United States. April 03 2012 02:50. Posts 7053

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/nevermind

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Snarfs Canada. April 03 2012 02:51. Posts 764

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I agree that the Palmar situation needs to be dealt with and sometime before he needs to disappear being in a European time zone.

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Whoever does the last pull needs to make sure that they make it clear that they're going to pull well before they make the pull so that we don't risk two people pulling at the same time and "accidentally" killing Palmar. Ideally we have two people, one who can pull and one who can push for safety. Also, refresh the actions in a new window before pulling. No excusing any "accidents" here.

Also, with risk claiming it isn't his ability, it's quite frustrating to see that Tobon wasted his push as well (though by chance it did verify some weird behaviour around Acro/Nemesis). This is the kind of PoP that I was trying to set a precedent for punishing by pushing cascades.

Bill Murray United States. April 03 2012 02:53. Posts 7053

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claim the next palmar pull (will put him at the item) before making it, and make sure someone is around to push him back

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Cephiro Finland. April 03 2012 02:56. Posts 662

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Sigh. What is it with you people being so insanely obsessed with Palmar getting that item? Are you just living in a fairytale where everything that happens is the best case scenario, Palmar is innocent as a bird, gets a dayvig item, shoots a scum and everyone is happy?

It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_>

Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him.

Mattchew United States. April 03 2012 02:56. Posts 5120

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My push is read for palmar

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Ace United States. April 03 2012 03:02. Posts 13483

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Snarfs Canada. April 03 2012 03:08. Posts 764

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On April 03 2012 02:56 Cephiro wrote:
Sigh. What is it with you people being so insanely obsessed with Palmar getting that item? Are you just living in a fairytale where everything that happens is the best case scenario, Palmar is innocent as a bird, gets a dayvig item, shoots a scum and everyone is happy?

It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_>

Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him.

We need to resolve something. I think Palmar could have reasons both as town and scum for hiding whether his ability is one-shot or not.

I agree with what VE was saying about being able to judge Palmar's use of any item as pro-town or not. He is held to a certain standard that basically says if you misuse whatever item you get, you're scum. He knows this too.

One thing we do need to know though, is if Palmar is going to use his ability today. We can't wait until 3-4 hours before deadline to know because people need to start getting who they believe are scum into position to burn. If he is going to use his ability we've already wasted a few pushes on Blue/cascades. It'd be nice not to waste anymore.

Bill Murray United States. April 03 2012 03:13. Posts 7053

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If Palmar uses his ability, I'm pushing Cephiro

just sayin'

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Cephiro Finland. April 03 2012 03:14. Posts 662

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On April 03 2012 03:08 Snarfs wrote:
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We need to resolve something. I think Palmar could have reasons both as town and scum for hiding whether his ability is one-shot or not.

I agree with what VE was saying about being able to judge Palmar's use of any item as pro-town or not. He is held to a certain standard that basically says if you misuse whatever item you get, you're scum. He knows this too.

One thing we do need to know though, is if Palmar is going to use his ability today. We can't wait until 3-4 hours before deadline to know because people need to start getting who they believe are scum into position to burn. If he is going to use his ability we've already wasted a few pushes on Blue/cascades. It'd be nice not to waste anymore.

Sure, he might have a reason as either alignment to hide that information. But why can't he admit that he doesn't want to then? He's clearly avoiding contact with other players to his best extent.

I know that we are able to judge stuff depending on how he decides to use the item if he gets it, but there are certain possibilities that could be easy to fake as well.

His play so far has been "Let me get the item" "Random person is town for no reason", and "Lets kill person X". He is certainly not pro-town in my eyes, and for now I will stand by my word. If someone pushes him to the item, I will try to get him over the edge and thus kill him.

I do agree that too many persons already have been wasting their PoPs, and the remaining ones should be used carefully.

Cephiro Finland. April 03 2012 03:16. Posts 662

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On April 03 2012 03:13 Bill Murray wrote:
If Palmar uses his ability, I'm pushing Cephiro

just sayin'

You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position.

Just sayin'.

Snarfs Canada. April 03 2012 03:17. Posts 764

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On April 03 2012 03:14 Cephiro wrote:
His play so far has been "Let me get the item" "Random person is town for no reason", and "Lets kill person X".

Just seems like Palmar being Palmar to me. Someone with more experience might correct me though as I'm still new here.

Tobon United States. April 03 2012 03:20. Posts 320

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On April 03 2012 02:46 risk.nuke wrote:
sorry, the red light is not my abillity. Interesting how some people immidiatly choose to distract the discussion from the lynch candidates.

Anyone else want to claim the red light?

If you aren't the cop toy, risk.nuke, then please contribute. You're doing an awful lot of lurking. I admit, I'm tempted to pull you, just to see if you are telling the truth or not. If you have a cop-light-like power, the light would go out if you get PoPed, and you'd have some explaining to do here. But I was over-eager with my push, so I'll wait for now.

Tobon United States. April 03 2012 03:24. Posts 320

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On April 03 2012 03:16 Cephiro wrote:

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You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position.

Just sayin'.

If the queue is flipped, then a push moves you further away from the fire zone. I thought that was an expression of support from BM, not a threat... BM seems somewhat confused though, so who knows. :-)

Cephiro Finland. April 03 2012 03:28. Posts 662

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On April 03 2012 03:24 Tobon wrote:
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If the queue is flipped, then a push moves you further away from the fire zone. I thought that was an expression of support from BM, not a threat... BM seems somewhat confused though, so who knows. :-)

Oh wait, you are right. I just checked how the reversing mechanic worked in the last game. I misunderstood the mechanic of the queue flip. My apologies for my hostile tone if that's what you meant BM.

Cephiro Finland. April 03 2012 03:30. Posts 662

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EBWOP: To clarify, for some reason I figured it would mirror the player positions in the queue instead of just simply flipping the queue underneath. This would have meant that after a reversal, a push on me would have gotten me next to the lethal spots, which is why I reacted how I reacted.

layabout United Kingdom. April 03 2012 03:32. Posts 1904

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cephiro, why are you opposed to getting things done?

Palmar is too close to the item to back out now.
Since nobody has said they are pushing him because they want him to die, pushing him over the edge would simply be you deciding to act against the towns wishes.
If Palmar were to flip town do you think that we would let you live after pushing him?

Besides the longer we leave Palmar in the incineration zone the longer we do not know whether he will decide to flip or not (if he does have that ability), and the longer we do not know where to push our lynch candidate.

I think we should be lynching Nemesis.

Why kill Wiggles?

"there is no such thing as an anti-town town member" -Sinensis