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| Sermokala United States. April 12 2012 07:32. Posts 4745 | Profile Blog # |
| what could he get sentenced with if he is found guilty of it? Going to be pretty hard to find a decent jury for Zimmerman and his deference seems pretty strong all things considered. |
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| syn0r April 12 2012 07:35. Posts 64 | Profile # |
Where does it say in that article that he fled the country? In the release quoted by daphreak, it says he is in custody. Anyone know if he is actually in police custody right now?
I'm interested in seeing how Zimmerman is actually going to get a fair trial right now. There is so much politics, race, sensationalization, and widespread media coverage going on that it's hard for me to even believe he would get a fair trial without a jury, relying on the judge to determine his guilt. Any law students that can weigh in on how they think the case is going to go? How is this not going to end up in a mistrial?Last edit: 2012-04-12 07:46:26 |
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| dAPhREAk Nauru. April 12 2012 07:35. Posts 8698 | Profile Blog # |
zimmerman is in custody. dont spread bullshit. |
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| dAPhREAk Nauru. April 12 2012 07:36. Posts 8698 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 07:28 Zato-1 wrote:
Do we know whether there'll be a jury in the trial yet? As many others have said before me, I find it extremely hard that you could find an unbiased jury for this case.
depends on whether zimmerman waives his right to a jury. he has a constitutional right to a jury in this case. |
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| Sermokala United States. April 12 2012 07:36. Posts 4745 | Profile Blog # | |
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| BlackWhole United States. April 12 2012 07:36. Posts 40 | Profile # |
Yes the prosecutor confirmed in the press he is in custody
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| LaSt)ChAnCe United States. April 12 2012 07:37. Posts 2099 | Profile Blog # |
| if he goes to prison, he's probably going to die unless he's in solitary confinement |
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 GnarlyArbitrage April 12 2012 07:38. Posts 575 | Profile Blog # |
| I think he's getting prosecuted just to calm down the tension. Doesn't really matter of if he's guilty or not, the media spun this story way out of proportion and we have multiple groups coming fowards with their extreme beliefs. I think the media should be charged with any murder that's taken place since that's been a hate crime. |
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| Romance_us Seychelles. April 12 2012 07:40. Posts 1769 | Profile # |
| I hate how their attorney articulates. He's not really saying anything |
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| IamaGrapeMan Canada. April 12 2012 07:41. Posts 127 | Profile Blog # |
thanks for the stream link
couldn't get it working on google chrome for some reason but it works fine in firefox |
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| dAPhREAk Nauru. April 12 2012 07:43. Posts 8698 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 07:41 IamaGrapeMan wrote:
thanks for the stream link
couldn't get it working on google chrome for some reason but it works fine in firefox
i turned off the link after zimmerman's former attorney came on and said that negligence was enough for manslaughter. probably for the best that he withdrew as zimmerman's attorney. |
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| Hawke5811 United States. April 12 2012 07:45. Posts 183 | Profile # |
Perhaps someone can help clarify something for me...
I've read that Zimmerman had told the police something along the lines of that he had eventually given up chase of Martin, and that he was then attacked by Martin while he was walking back to his car?
If this was a reported statement taken by the police, wouldn't it beg to question the logic of this? If you are chasing someone, it implies that the person you're chasing is fleeing or running away from you. Why then would Martin turn and give chase to Zimmerman? Especially when he was the one feeling threatened... this just sounds implausible (this is my opinion, being that Martin was the one originally approached and had no idea who Zimmerman was)
Am I missing something here? |
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| Sufficiency Canada. April 12 2012 07:45. Posts 7280 | Profile Blog # |
| It would be funny if he fled. I would have if I were him... or die trying. |
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| AllHailTheDead United States. April 12 2012 07:45. Posts 322 | Profile # |
man....I wonder how long this trial is going to take
a year or two?
I think we should get a poll going on that |
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| LaSt)ChAnCe United States. April 12 2012 07:46. Posts 2099 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 07:45 AllHailTheDead wrote:
man....I wonder how long this trial is going to take
a year or two?
I think we should get a poll going on that
Poll: How long is this trial going to last?Or two? (18) 82% A year (4) 18% 22 total votes Your vote: How long is this trial going to last? (Vote): A year
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| Sermokala United States. April 12 2012 07:49. Posts 4745 | Profile Blog # |
they will either bury it in the line of other case's being tryed for a decent jury to come along or they're going to expedite it along and try to score points for the election. Thats how I see it at least shaping up.
On April 12 2012 07:45 Hawke5811 wrote:
Perhaps someone can help clarify something for me...
I've read that Zimmerman had told the police something along the lines of that he had eventually given up chase of Martin, and that he was then attacked by Martin while he was walking back to his car?
If this was a reported statement taken by the police, wouldn't it beg to question the logic of this? If you are chasing someone, it implies that the person you're chasing is fleeing or running away from you. Why then would Martin turn and give chase to Zimmerman? Especially when he was the one feeling threatened... this just sounds implausible (this is my opinion, being that Martin was the one originally approached and had no idea who Zimmerman was)
Am I missing something here?
(at least from what I've peiced togeather so far feel free to correct me on what happened)
Zimmerman got out of his car to ask trayvon what he was doing in the rain all alone around where he lived as he was the crime watch captian. trayvon asked zimmerman why he was following him. from this point on to the time that the police showed up we arn't sure on what happened but zimmerman had a large injury to his head and grass stains on the back of it and trayvon died.
What probably happened was that zimmerman was a bit raciest and assumed that travyon was up to no good and he got insulted to the point of beating zimmerman up not knowing he had a gun. Zimmerman being beaten up and getting his head bounced off the ground took out his gun and shot trayvon.
the stand your ground law doesn't apply in this case Btw. Last edit: 2012-04-12 07:53:40 |
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| dAPhREAk Nauru. April 12 2012 07:52. Posts 8698 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 07:46 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:45 AllHailTheDead wrote:
man....I wonder how long this trial is going to take
a year or two?
I think we should get a poll going on that
Poll: How long is this trial going to last?Or two? (18) 82% A year (4) 18% 22 total votes Your vote: How long is this trial going to last? (Vote): A year
(Vote): Or two?
zimmerman has a constitutional right to a speedy trial. a year is presumptively deemed unconstitutional. so, it depends on when he wants to try the case. |
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| TheGeneralTheoryOf April 12 2012 08:02. Posts 235 | Profile # |
| Has anyone considered the possibility that Zimmerman decided to detain Martin until the police arrived? |
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| Kaitlin United States. April 12 2012 08:06. Posts 2195 | Profile # |
On April 12 2012 07:52 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:46 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On April 12 2012 07:45 AllHailTheDead wrote:
man....I wonder how long this trial is going to take
a year or two?
I think we should get a poll going on that
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: How long is this trial going to last?Or two? (18) 82% A year (4) 18% 22 total votes Your vote: How long is this trial going to last? (Vote): A year
(Vote): Or two?
zimmerman has a constitutional right to a speedy trial. a year is presumptively deemed unconstitutional. so, it depends on when he wants to try the case.
Doesn't the speedy trial require a trial within 90 days of charging ? I'm pretty sure it's a set timeframe, and nearly always ends up being waived by the defendant so they can prepare the defense. |
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| dAPhREAk Nauru. April 12 2012 08:12. Posts 8698 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 08:06 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:52 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2012 07:46 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On April 12 2012 07:45 AllHailTheDead wrote:
man....I wonder how long this trial is going to take
a year or two?
I think we should get a poll going on that
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: How long is this trial going to last?Or two? (18) 82% A year (4) 18% 22 total votes Your vote: How long is this trial going to last? (Vote): A year
(Vote): Or two?
zimmerman has a constitutional right to a speedy trial. a year is presumptively deemed unconstitutional. so, it depends on when he wants to try the case.
Doesn't the speedy trial require a trial within 90 days of charging ? I'm pretty sure it's a set timeframe, and nearly always ends up being waived by the defendant so they can prepare the defense.
as with most constitutional rights, you can definitely waive it. and zimmerman would be intelligent to do so (time heals all wounds? or at least most people will forget about it after six months or so, and the prejudice will be lessened). i am not sure of the 90 day requirement; it is likely a local procedural rule, and i am not familiar with Florida rules specifically. |
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