| HeyJude United States. March 30 2012 14:32. Posts 152 | Profile # |
| The only reason I can think of is to lower Q times but seriously, it's ridiculous that random plays pre-mades. There's no chance for a random team to beat a full or nearly full pre-made. What's the point of even having random divisions if random teams just face arranged? I'd gladly take a longer Q to have "fair" games. |
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| idonthinksobro March 30 2012 14:42. Posts 585 | Profile # |
this topic has been discussed many times. There is no good reason why RTs should be matched against AT and people keep complaining about it but blizzard doesn't care.
There are some other threads about this you maybe wanna check them out
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=random+team |
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| Berailfor March 30 2012 14:42. Posts 423 | Profile # |
Well there isn't "no chance" as if both randoms are better mechanically then there is a good chance they will win just based on their macro, micro, scouting, and map awareness. Although a coordinated allin is fairly difficult to beat but you can still manage fine and you can still coordinate a strong allin with a random player.
Also I'm pretty sure if your a full premade you do mostly if not always play other premades (2's might be an exception.) but there was a post a while back about someone showing the abusiveness of going in with 3 people premade in 4v4's because it counts as 4v4 Randoms not 4v4 teams and their winrate was like 80 and 1 (just an estimate) or something ridiculous like that. |
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| reikai United States. March 30 2012 14:42. Posts 305 | Profile # |
In the lower leagues sometimes it doesn't matter..... as a master terran sometimes i've carried 3v3 teams to victory against arranged teams 
I think if you improve your mechanics enough, you can overcome most arranged teams. Most serious 1v1ers (master leaguers) won't be down there. :D |
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| NoobStyles Australia. March 30 2012 14:42. Posts 257 | Profile Blog # |
| Contrary to what you "feel" the matchmaker is making even or close to even games. play 1000 RT games and come back to us with your W/L |
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| otgomni United States. March 30 2012 14:43. Posts 33 | Profile # |
| It's not necessarily true that premades always beat random pugs. I've been on both sides - it just depends who works better together. I've played some games with randoms that seem to have more synergy than teams with regular practice partners. Fighting premades with randoms can offer interesting challenges. Luck of the draw really. |
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| HeyJude United States. March 30 2012 14:52. Posts 152 | Profile # |
On March 30 2012 14:42 NoobStyles wrote:
Contrary to what you "feel" the matchmaker is making even or close to even games. play 1000 RT games and come back to us with your W/L
A gold premade will beat a diamond random. I've played a LOT of random team games. It's pretty obvious when it's RT vs AT. Iirc in WC3 and TFT it was only Random vs Random and AT vs AT wasn't it? |
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| JiYan United States. March 30 2012 14:53. Posts 3587 | Profile Blog # |
| as a random team player and a premade team player on different occasions, i can tell you for certain that blizzard gives random team players the advantage while matching up players. For example, in general, 3 random platinum players will be evenly matched against a premade team of gold players. |
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| SigmaoctanusIV United States. March 30 2012 14:57. Posts 2431 | Profile Blog # |
| Well I think Blizzard is going for Queue times since it much quicker to throw the two together. |
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| HeyJude United States. March 30 2012 14:58. Posts 152 | Profile # |
On March 30 2012 14:53 JiYan wrote:
as a random team player and a premade team player on different occasions, i can tell you for certain that blizzard gives random team players the advantage while matching up players. For example, in general, 3 random platinum players will be evenly matched against a premade team of gold players.
I played 4 random diamond vs 4 premade masters earlier tonight so what you just said is false. |
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| Berailfor March 30 2012 15:00. Posts 423 | Profile # |
On March 30 2012 14:52 HeyJude wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 14:42 NoobStyles wrote:
Contrary to what you "feel" the matchmaker is making even or close to even games. play 1000 RT games and come back to us with your W/L
A gold premade will beat a diamond random. I've played a LOT of random team games. It's pretty obvious when it's RT vs AT. Iirc in WC3 and TFT it was only Random vs Random and AT vs AT wasn't it?
Is this one of those statistic you came up with on your own? Maybe if the diamond randoms are gold 1's and the gold arranged are diamond 1's
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| NoobStyles Australia. March 30 2012 15:00. Posts 257 | Profile Blog # |
On March 30 2012 14:52 HeyJude wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 14:42 NoobStyles wrote:
Contrary to what you "feel" the matchmaker is making even or close to even games. play 1000 RT games and come back to us with your W/L
A gold premade will beat a diamond random. I've played a LOT of random team games. It's pretty obvious when it's RT vs AT.
100% irrelevant.... the matchmaker gives no fucks what league you or your ally are in. |
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| Danglars United States. March 30 2012 15:00. Posts 1919 | Profile Blog # |
| Beat premades all the time. By playing better and yelling at my team =) |
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| LimeNade United States. March 30 2012 15:02. Posts 1515 | Profile Blog # |
| Its not that hard to understand. Usually things like this will happens where if the AT 2v2 team is rated a 3 / 5 then the RT 2v2 team will get a player who is say 2/5 and a 4/5. An AT team will usually face vs an RT team that has at least 50% of the team better rated then they are due to the MMR. So if you are losing it maybe you who is holding your team back O_o |
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| covetousrat March 30 2012 15:03. Posts 1183 | Profile # |
| Shoulnt we call it AT-Arranged Team and RT-Random Team like war3? |
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| tntrieu United States. March 30 2012 15:04. Posts 19 | Profile # |
On March 30 2012 15:00 Danglars wrote:
Beat premades all the time. By playing better and yelling at my team =)
Yelling at your team? I done that a couple of time and they would start to attack your base and leave lol.
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 Baio March 30 2012 15:10. Posts 112 | Profile # |
Matching RT and AT is no problem at all if you calculate some skill difference and choose the teams accordingly. Having three people group up and play 4v4 RT though is a problem as this is not RT in the slightest even super bad players can get a high rating this way.
Blizzard has to do such things to keep the queue times low. If you are really good you have to wait ages already (watch protechs stream) or look at this thread: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4254459248 |
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| thatsundowner Canada. March 30 2012 15:11. Posts 286 | Profile # |
| it tries to match premades against premades but at some point it also needs to just get you into a game, so it isn't that strict about it |
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| Bommes Germany. March 30 2012 15:19. Posts 939 | Profile # |
I personally played some random 2v2 this season (probably around 45-50 games) and facing arranged teams is usually much easier because their mechanics are a lot worse (because you face lower MMR arranged teams than you would against random teams) and even among the top of the 2v2 random MMR their whole strategy often revolves around 1 cute trick (like zealot+overlord warpins or cannon rush + flying barracks for vision).
Good random team players just know the important timings and how to produce and move their units accordingly and when to attack or not attack, if you play against an arranged team as a random team you get matched up against lower MMR AT than you would if you also played as an arranged team.
That said I think random team is pretty much a joke, compared to 1v1 the competition is tiny and in contrast to arranged team 2v2 where I heard it can get tricky if you are among the very best teams of a region random team never gets that strategic element, its basically just about knowing some basic timings and how to defend a huge variety of gimmicky strategies. |
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| jarf1337 United States. March 30 2012 15:44. Posts 128 | Profile # |
| just placed masters in 3v3 AT with a masters/diamond/platinum player combo. we played random teams for all of the placements and it really wasn't difficult at all since we could skype to communicate. blizzard should do something about this imo. |
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