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On April 09 2012 06:54 gonzaw wrote:


I found this post pretty bad

1.I don't like this tone. He tries to undermine his own play right here, saying "bear with me while I get a handle...".
2.Why say this about VE? You "like" him because he wants to get rid of lurking in a proactive way? Are you kidding me? You are telling me you never played a game where people discussed lynching and killing lurkers?
It's more fluff to make it appear he's contributing.
3.Notice the words he uses. "I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic"; "I've got my eye on you".
First of all, he finds that behaviour from sloosh suspicious, which is totally bullshit since no sane scum with the Stealthy trait will directly talk about it in the thread instead of PMing the mods in the first place.
Second, he doesn't even seem to directly confront sloosh. He says "I find it interesting", seems too wishy washy to be an actual accusation. Again, seems like a classic scumtell of accusing someone without directly confronting them, hoping someone else will read it and confront sloosh about it; or to put some doubt in sloosh so he can come back to said suspicious later, while nobody notices said suspicion right now.
4. Again, more fluff. What motivation does he have to post this? Just more fluff (which is just a "retelling" of what's happening in the thread, it serves no purpose) to make his post look bigger.

Each individual thing from your post isn't enough to make one think you are scum, but the fact that you made all of them in a single post looks very bad. I'd say you are scum, specially since you've posted almost nothing at all since, yet your post seemed to imply you were eager to participate and kind of "enthusiastic" about the game, which you clearly aren't.
That isn't too damning though, maybe it's the time-zone or something, but whenever I find lack of participation when one was eager to do so before suspicious I'm generally right.

##Vote: Janaan

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On April 09 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
Regarding other lynch "candidates":

FourFace:
I still don't get what he's trying to do; but I don't see how his actions make him scum. He acted like this in previous games; I'd prefer if he's ignored, or at least the discussion is not about him. Saying he's "creating chaos" is only right if people start arguing about/with him and let the thread be clogged up with pointless "Oh 4face is anti-town oh oh" stuff.

Tunkeg:
His "win/loss ratio" list didn't do any good; but it's not an alignment tell.
I find his tone and posting style weird, like saying things like "Phone home, goddammed alien" and shit. That's certainly NOT the way he played when we played together; and apart from discussing his list/random lynch, and discrediting BH I haven't seen him contribute that much.
I don't know what to think about his behaviour (seems trollish, but again that doesn't determine his alignment); but I wouldn't be against killing him if he doesn't step up his game like I know he can do.

Wherebugsgo:
I dunno why, but I don't think he's scum because I think he would play better if he was scum; and I know some people think he plays "bad" as town.
Apart from some trolling of him, I don't find him scummy, and wouldn't want him lynched today.

Sputnik:
He's very aggressive, and so far he hasn't done anything scummy IMO.
Waiting for more contributions from him.

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About Risen vs ET and other stuff:

The Risen vs ET thing has been fully covered I think.
2 players clogging the thread and going against each other because of some petty stuff. Nothing suspicious here, it actually makes me think both are town because of that.
I think Risen and ET are town for other reasons too (small ones actually), but if it doesn't help mentioning them I won't.
Although it was stupid for Risen to do so, but I can see where he's coming from (making "playful" posts, full of smileys, etc); but his execution was very bad.
I would like leaving him alone for now.

If you have any questions to me ask away. I chose not to comment on ALL interactions this game or ask questions to everybody since that didn't do very good last time I did it.

@sloosh: I'd like more contributions from you, you say that we shouldn't spend time arguing about the spreadshit, but you don't do anything yourself.


I wouldn't be against lynching Toad though; will post more about him after people comment on Janaan.

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On April 09 2012 10:59 Janaan wrote:
After a quick re-read of the early game, I'd say Jitsu is a good candidate. His first two posts are totally worthless to me, consisting of nothing but "you scum?". Then he mentions Grackroni, but doesn't feel the need to give a reason until asked about it. His reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if for no other reason that he doesn't really explain why what he's saying is true. Even though he REALLY thinks Grackroni is scum.

From there on, all he really does is berate Risen for what he calls "the smiley face incident" which no one could really say was a good idea, and Risen himself admits that. Then he just dismisses Risen's post explaining himself, saying that it was something scum and town would both do, which seems to me to serve no purpose other than to cast doubt on Risen.

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On April 10 2012 02:47 Janaan wrote:
At this point in the day, just going by the latest vote count, the only real chance we have to lynch today is Tunkeg, myself, and MAYBE Sputnik, so I'll be focusing my attention on Tunkeg for the time being.

He spent a lot of time defending his "random lynch" idea. It seems to me that if it was merely to generate discussion like he claims, it would have made more sense to drop it, after seeing that no one wanted to talk about random lynching. Instead, all he really did was inflate his post count, and stall actual discussion.

He also seems a bit wishy washy on his stance on me when Gonzaw asked about it.
+ Show Spoiler +

He says the case was forced, reading that much from a single post was bad, but then he says he still likes it better than BH. Which is it? If it was bad, then does it matter if it's better than another bad case? Make up your mind.

When asked by WBG who he would lynch, he shows that he hasn't really been scum hunting much at all by saying no one, and if he has been scum hunting, he doesn't believe his own reads. Then, just 4 hours later, he calls Gonzaw "obvious scum" and never gives a reason for it.

Now he seems to have just given up. He says he'll post his reads later, but regardless, later will be too late if he really is town.

I'll be back on long before the deadline, for now I'll be in class for a few hours, though.

##Vote: Tunkeg

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On April 09 2012 01:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Good morning ladies and gentlemen! At first you were probably like "what are we going to do?" but then you realized BH is here to save you.



So I'm gonna go over this hard and fast, just like you like it baby

4F starts off in what is my opinion a wholly unlikeable and anti town fashion: link

He almost immediately retracts his unbelievably bad idea, which I would give him credit for if he had any reason for other than "I don't want to get lynched, as I am scum and my wincon requires me not to get lynched" (link)

and I find his vote on S.T to be entirely unsatisfactory, much like my last girlfriend was (link)

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"Why is it unsatisfactory blzinghand"

Here I show you. his reasoning for the S.T vote is a crappy quote a short, unfocused case. Was S.T a bit too wordy in his reply? Verbose in his defense? Well, then that's in S.T's court, surely. But let's take a look at S.T's filter for a moment:S.T Oh hay S.T is in fact a lurker.

So... 4F doesn't like the idea of lynching a lurker, he says "lurkers are a weak faction" and that going after them is what scum would do. Personally I think that's wrong. But even assuming that's right, isn't that exactly what 4F is doing?

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"What's going on here blzinghand I don't understand"

Well, S.T is a lurker. Does he have some posts? yeah. but he's posted fuck all shit this entire game. Your post count doesn't determine your lurker status, your content count does. Assuming 4F is wrong, well, he's a moron scum trying to lynch someone who's inadequately defended himself. And assuming his thoughts on lurkers are right, then he's scum since he's trying to push a lurker lynch.

Either way...

##vote fourface

please detour in my direction, my brother.

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