| Harmonized April 03 2012 00:50. Posts 56 | Profile # |
So I´m playing a public game like any else...
My team pick clockwork, magina, axe and kunkka.
I already see that it´s going to be a struggle to win with this lineup, so I do I think is the best decition in this situation and pick wd.
As you might guess, we lost hard. And here is where the expected rage ensues,
I´m walking around mindlessly because I know a lost cause when I see one and isn´t particularly concentrated, and I get ganked.
After I die, Clockwork Tp´s in and goes solo into sand king and BH, dying without taking anyone with him. He then starts to flame the rest of the team for being complete idiots.
From here on out it´s a ragefest til loss. The usual stuff like "Delete Dota2", "you´re fucking retarded" yatayata comes up...
And this is not the first time. In both dota and dota2 public games so much unnessecary bullshit in being tossed around and it makes me a really sad panda.
I look at the Sc2-community and the flaming and raging there isn´t even close to half the amount of shit that ruins the dota(2)-community.
Anyway, do you agree with the previously stated things here?
If so, how do you think the community could improve?
Leave any thoughts or ideas you seem fit, but please try to keep this thread hatefree?
Thank you
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| Yurie April 03 2012 00:54. Posts 2101 | Profile Blog # |
There are usually 2 bad apples in any team. Losing a game will sometimes set them off if their target is the other one. They aren't bothering with the game any more. The only thing to do is keep playing 100%, muting and reporting them. Enough reports and they get dropped to low priority.
The game also keeps your mutes so you can know before the game even starts that it is a bad apple. |
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| RenSC2 United States. April 03 2012 00:58. Posts 265 | Profile Blog # |
A team game with randomly picked teammates creates a lot more BM than 1v1 and any game designed in that fashion with have more BM. Even in Starcraft 2, I get a lot more BM from teammates in random 2s, 3s, and 4s than I ever do in 1v1. 1v1 BM is almost always some quick balance whine at the end of the game whereas teammate whine can go on and on and on.
Also add in that people get punished in DoTA (or LoL) for leaving while not really being punished for ragequitting in SC2 so they have to stick around even after they've mentally checked out. |
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| Clow Brazil. April 03 2012 01:03. Posts 870 | Profile Blog # |
I learned it's always their team/teammate's fault.
I dare say that in 100% of the games, at least one person on the losing team will say that his teammates were bad.
I wonder if it's possible for me to see my ignore list, because it must be packed full.Last edit: 2012-04-03 01:06:27 |
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| RyzeDotA Denmark. April 03 2012 01:07. Posts 34 | Profile # |
8/10 players are usually mannered. It's the minority that is ruining it for everyone else. Muting is my fav. feature  |
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| Xialos Canada. April 03 2012 01:08. Posts 173 | Profile # |
| Unlike sc2, dota is a team game,so it's to be expected (specially in low/mid MMR) that everyone won't have the same knowledge and perception of the game (high MMR is different, cus every1 knows what to do, so theres no misunderstanding) ... It's just like any team game, it's not about the dota/dota2 community. (I never played LoL but if some1 was saying that theres less whinning in LoL, it's probly because it's more casual maybe?). And yeah the sc2 community is awesome, and there's no whinning at all, but it's because it's 1v1, you can't blame anyone except you.... or protoss... |
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| Qbek Poland. April 03 2012 01:13. Posts 4277 | Profile # |
The manner's will get better once th MM gets more accurate. Even I get pissed of sometimes after getting used to warding and smoking an than being matched with guys taht take stats on viper over nethertoxin and flames you...
I'M STILL PISSED OFF ACTUALLY |
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| zomgE April 03 2012 01:14. Posts 466 | Profile # |
Less whining in lol is bullshit and they're even dumber.
Don't know where that came from. |
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| rob.au April 03 2012 01:14. Posts 369 | Profile # |
For me the pub community is slightly better than I expected, but I basically expected the worst (hon). I'm used to the rage now having played other moba's but I think with a effective report and karma system it could be somewhat solved, it looks like this is what Valve is looking to implement.
I'd also like to see them copy some of LoL's system for matchmaking. Having accounts level up as they play more matches and have this effect the matchmaking really seems like it reduces smurfing by a lot and actually does end up matching people together better. A lot of rage comes from matching low rated veteran players with newbies and it also tends to breed a bad culture throughout the whole game. If newbies see bad veterans blaming mid for every loss, then that's what they also start to do.
The other thing I'd like to see is for Valve to address the problem of matching casuals with people playing seriously. You might think that this isn't a problem and that a pub is simply that, a casual public game. However there's a large portion of the community who use pubs to improve and play somewhat seriously. You might say there's leagues/tournaments/etc...for serious players but I think pubs are more than viable to be used as a stepping stone. LoL did this by adding ranked games, and I think it worked reasonably well for them. The culture is such now in that game that if a team needs a x role and it's not picked people will actually rage and threaten to leave. What it involved there was basically having normal pub games for casuals where your rating is hidden, where you can do all pick, and then ranked games for more serious pubs where it's ban pick and people can see your rating. The ban pick part is actually kind of important because not only does it allow the players to remove pubstompers that pubs just cannot deal with (lycan etc...) but it gives teams time to somewhat discuss what people will play. |
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| Asprobouboulis Greece. April 03 2012 01:22. Posts 37 | Profile Blog # |
On April 03 2012 01:07 RyzeDotA wrote:8/10 players are usually mannered. It's the minority that is ruining it for everyone else. Muting is my fav. feature
What? Are we playing the same game? Cause most of the time i get to play with/against Russians and the fact that they refuse to communicate in any shape or form they keep talking in their language and or trash talk u 90% of the time...
Mind you that the game is still in beta as well and its pretty disappointing going solo, playing with people who refuse to communicate whatsoever,doing their own thing all game long. Results into some pretty frustrating loses.
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| Dantelew Canada. April 03 2012 01:25. Posts 61 | Profile # |
I think the community by and large is a lot better than I expected it to be coming from HoN about a year ago.
There are whiny or raging people, but its actually not every game for me and in general maybe only one person. I think the key for any player who wants to improve the community is to actively use the report and commend features, it may not have any visual impact right now (does it?) but this is beta after all, and I think its important to use the features that VALVe is trying to promote, as much as possible so that they hopefully can get it right.
I very actively report players, and try to give out one Commend a game, even for the opposing team win or lose.
I hope that fear of repricussion and the value of commendation will play a part in this game by release time, allowing the silent majority to "self-police" in a sense. Perhaps a second tier of matchmaking that allows players with higher commendation to be matched together, or other such incentives. |
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| Yurie April 03 2012 01:30. Posts 2101 | Profile Blog # |
On April 03 2012 01:08 Xialos wrote:
Unlike sc2, dota is a team game,so it's to be expected (specially in low/mid MMR) that everyone won't have the same knowledge and perception of the game (high MMR is different, cus every1 knows what to do, so theres no misunderstanding) ... It's just like any team game, it's not about the dota/dota2 community. (I never played LoL but if some1 was saying that theres less whinning in LoL, it's probly because it's more casual maybe?). And yeah the sc2 community is awesome, and there's no whinning at all, but it's because it's 1v1, you can't blame anyone except you.... or protoss...
Latest example I have of raging is from high MMR. We were 5 randoms (I think) against however many were in Dendi's stack. Our Morphling saw many single target spells and choose to go for bloodstone instead of linkens, manta or etheral blade. One player in my team starts flaming him for the item choice once the game is mostly over due to the enemy team outplaying us in mid game (and morphling performing poorly). Last edit: 2012-04-03 01:31:50 |
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| zeru Sweden. April 03 2012 01:40. Posts 5851 | Profile Blog # |
| There are very few flamers. It's easily the vocal very much minority. I rarely have any problem with angry people recently at least. |
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| Belha Italy. April 03 2012 01:40. Posts 2363 | Profile # |
Pubs have always being like that. And will always be in the same way.
In dota 1 rgc is a but differenc cose if you are good you can eventually reach good skill level of games and more mannered players.
But if you start a pub, just by yourself and no other friend, then the team fact/comunity stuff of dota is in certain way lost.
Your teammates are a bunch of random beings (and with random, i mean the entire meaning of the word) that they may be skilled guys or top tier idiots. I'm talking about chances here. Once you click "find game" without any friend, you're just playing almost a solo game with 9 random bots, with totally random skills; but, plus the flame fest in the losing team.
To sumarise, if you do not have a friend to play the game with, and you're gonna pub in the current system (aka opposite to rgc ranked/vouche style) the game is not good, do not worth the time; there is like a 33% chance that you run into a 30-40 min of videogame torture.Last edit: 2012-04-03 01:42:07 |
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| Alpino Brazil. April 03 2012 01:57. Posts 2584 | Profile # |
| Out of my last 4 games, 2 games had no one whining. Well in the DotA 1 community I used to play that would be 100% impossible. Its getting better (: |
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| English United States. April 03 2012 03:15. Posts 444 | Profile # |
| Never expected much but it is surprisingly better than Hon's community. |
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| xsevR United States. April 03 2012 03:20. Posts 218 | Profile # |
| Maybe it's because I leave voice chat off but I'm very impressed by the DOTA2 community thus far. Before DOTA2, I played a tiny amount of HoN at release and USE pub/TDA/misc IH's in DOTA1. DOTA2 players seem to realize that low expectations are necessary for pubs, and the amount of useful help and advice I've seen is amazing! People generally help out teammates and buy couriers, even if there's not exactly coordinated play going on. Even better, leavers/game ruiners are pretty rare compared to what i remember. In SC2 almost every non mirror match I won resulted in massive whining and BM. |
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| Resilient United Kingdom. April 03 2012 03:30. Posts 1185 | Profile # |
Europe is incredibly BM, mostly due to massive amounts of Russians (no racism, it's just true) while USE is slightly better though I notice people are far too vocal on comms in that region. Community is better than HoN (not a hard thing to achieve.....) but still atrocious in comparison with almost any other genre.
This is my view after 1,000 games. |
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| Yacobs United States. April 03 2012 03:47. Posts 356 | Profile # |
| I'd rather people had bad manners as long as they were actually competent at the game rather than the other way around. According to the "Recent Game" filter search, I'm in the "Medium" bracket. And, yet, 80% of my teams involved at least one or two players who clearly have no clue what they're doing. I'm hoping that when the real game comes out the matchmaker won't have to stretch as much to find people for a game and I'll actually get matched up with other Medium players. Last edit: 2012-04-03 03:47:41 |
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| Finskie Sweden. April 03 2012 04:12. Posts 390 | Profile Blog # |
| Im stopped playing on the Europeladder and started on US east instead. Alot more friendly and fun, obviously there are BM in a few games but overall my experience has been alot more pleasant on US east. |
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