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Arizona Bill: Women are Pregnant Before Conception

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 Enki   United States. April 06 2012 05:26. Posts 1988
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Arizona is at it again it would seem. H.B.2036 is pretty bad news in general for women but reading into it is downright shocking. It would ban abortions (after 20 weeks and only for medical emergencys, and is actually 18 weeks technically) for some expectant mothers, but thats only the beginning. The bill claims that conception begins two weeks before any sexual intercourse occurs.

I don't see this shit ever passing in the Senate or even the House of Reps, but the fact that it already got to Arizonas House of Reps is pretty sad.

It passed the Arizona state Senate 20-10 and will now go before the states House.
http://rt.com/usa/news/arizona-bill-conception-abortion-387/

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Another article about it, from the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/05/uteruses-how-do-they-work

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A decent explanation of the "pregnant 2 weeks before conception" that it's talking about:

that, in fact, pregnancy will no longer begin at conception. Instead, we're told, we'll soon be legally considered pregnant in the state of Arizona as of the date of our last period, which, as that silly godless "science" tells us, is usually about two weeks before we ovulate. It is true that some medical professionals use a pregnant woman's last period to estimate a gestational age in the absence of other data – like the actual date of conception which is, when one is not the Virgin Mary, actually not beyond a woman's capacity to know or recall or a doctor's capacity to determine. But a legal mandate forcing them to even when other diagnostic tools are more available or appropriate is simply a way to reduce their scientific and professional discretion for the purpose of limiting abortions in ways unimagined by the standards of Roe v Wade and in a manner that is not based on the way women's supposedly unknowable reproductive tracts work.
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 Drowsy   United States. April 06 2012 05:29. Posts 4826
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I'm embarrassed to live in this state sometimes... Just feels like we have such bigger fish to fry. I honestly don't give a shit about abortion given the sorry state of AZ public education and it upsets me that politicians divert any of their attention to it.
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 SnipedSoul   Canada. April 06 2012 05:31. Posts 1691
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Wait, what?

If conception occurs two weeks before there are any sperm in the woman's body, what the hell do sperm do?
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 DreamChaser   April 06 2012 05:31. Posts 1632
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If Arizona just embraced Day Light Saving's maybe they wouldn't have this problem. But theres not much to say just disappointment really.
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 ch33psh33p   April 06 2012 05:33. Posts 2585
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Fucking embarrassing.
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 Kevin_Sorbo   Canada. April 06 2012 05:34. Posts 422
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OMG.

Wtf is up in Arizona anyways^^ Is it about living in a cave and eating raw meat bludgeoned off an animal you just scared off a cliff^^

Seriously strange that such an advanced society can go backward/sideways in the wrong direction like that. Just the fact that all those stupid laws are brought up in the first place makes me wonder a lot...

Thats when I think too myself : Fuck man, winter aint so bad after all... :D
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 qotsager   Germany. April 06 2012 05:34. Posts 50
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man... and some are wondering why the US have got such a bad image. this is just silly.
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 JackDragon   April 06 2012 05:37. Posts 393
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Haha, what did I just read? you are pregnant 2 weeks before you are impregnated? What idiot comes up with this shit? I can only hope that it never passes or I will lose all faith in human future... again.

Edit: "ait when I think about it doesn't "considered pregnant in the state of Arizona as of the date of our last period" mean that women are always pregnant from the time they get their first period? If so... then... My brain hurts.
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 Candadar   April 06 2012 05:37. Posts 1791
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God damnit Arizona.

This is what happens when only a few thousand people, and usually very old and stupid people vote for their Senators/House Members.

You know, the people that actually matter in our government.
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 Daralii   United States. April 06 2012 05:39. Posts 5663
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On April 06 2012 05:31 SnipedSoul wrote:
Wait, what?

If conception occurs two weeks before there are any sperm in the woman's body, what the hell do sperm do?

Don't spend too long thinking about bills from Arizona. You'll only hurt yourself.
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 TSM   Great Britain. April 06 2012 05:40. Posts 582
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what the fuck? this is like the trolling bill, what is wrong is america?
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 OptimusYale   Korea (South). April 06 2012 05:40. Posts 978
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Wait wait wait...so if I'm reading this right, not only is abortion murder to them, but menstration is also murder. You don't actually get pregnant then your dead. Teenage pregnancies will be through the rough as every teenage girl whos on the rag is pregnant.....

Sometimes I do not understand how people who put this shit through are even related to the rest of humanity
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 Kevin_Sorbo   Canada. April 06 2012 05:42. Posts 422
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On April 06 2012 05:37 Candadar wrote:
God damnit Arizona.

This is what happens when only a few thousand people, and usually very old and stupid people vote for their Senators/House Members.

You know, the people that actually matter in our government.


In this case it is pretty easy to screw up the election as proved by our great canadian conservative government.

Look at what those fuckers did last election:

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/robocalls-why-you-should-give-a-shit

robocalling other parties voters to send the to the wrong polling stations.
lol.
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 Daralii   United States. April 06 2012 05:42. Posts 5663
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On April 06 2012 05:40 TSM wrote:
what the fuck? this is like the trolling bill, what is wrong is america?

Lots of old, stupid, white men in power and a lot of sane people have given up any semblance of faith in the democratic process.
Khasar De'Templari
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 aksfjh   United States. April 06 2012 05:43. Posts 3503
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On April 06 2012 05:40 TSM wrote:
what the fuck? this is like the trolling bill, what is wrong is america?

Don't bunch everybody up with Arizona. There are plenty of sane state legislatures in the U.S.
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 BlackJack   United States. April 06 2012 05:44. Posts 6651
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Dumb bill but also dumb sensationalist article... It's just Republicans trying to use a loophole so they can ban abortions after 18 weeks and call it a ban after 20 weeks.


Instead, we're told, we'll soon be legally considered pregnant in the state of Arizona as of the date of our last period


No. You'll be considered legally pregnant when you are pregnant.
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 dAPhREAk   Nauru. April 06 2012 05:45. Posts 8698
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arent they basically saying that as soon as the egg is created, life begins? interesting concept.
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 Kerwin   United States. April 06 2012 05:45. Posts 219
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On April 06 2012 05:31 DreamChaser wrote:
If Arizona just embraced Day Light Saving's maybe they wouldn't have this problem. But theres not much to say just disappointment really.

Actually, not doing Daylight Savings Time is one of the (if not the only) thing I'm proud of Arizona for. So basically in this bill, nothing changes except the 20 week ban on abortion gets moved to as early as 18 weeks. I can't say I know enough about pregnancy to consider the pros and cons of 20 week v 18 week but I'm pretty damn sure their justification for it seems weird. Arizona's legislator's keep churning out as many controversial laws as they can.

When I first heard the justification for it, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong; If a woman has no idea when she actually got pregnant, would the standard be to judge the fetus based on this previous menstrual cycle business? I could see how that could have some relevant applications in Arizona >.<
 
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 Kerwin   United States. April 06 2012 05:46. Posts 219
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On April 06 2012 05:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
arent they basically saying that as soon as the egg is created, life begins? interesting concept.

They are saying that for the purposes of a law, the 2 weeks before conception counts towards the age of the fetus... which is dumb unless a proper explanation can be given on why that should really be the case.
 
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 Mindflow   Korea (South). April 06 2012 05:49. Posts 308
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Im ashamed to live in the United States, politics is getting ridic with all these religious extremists shoving their ideas down everyones throat.
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