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| Agathon France. April 10 2012 23:29. Posts 1362 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
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You obviously don't know any real muslim, you just repeat what you heard on TV (maybe FOX News) about extremists ones (a minority) and you consider all the muslim are killers without knowing anything about them...
Hate, generalization, limited informations, propaganda, stubbor point of views...the shit started like that in the 30's too. |
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| Eiaco April 10 2012 23:31. Posts 170 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:29 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Some antisemitism? There's a shitton of antisemitism in the bible, especially in the gospel according to john which was written when the new sect of christians wanted to seclude themselves more from the jews because they didn't think of themselves as jews anymore but as christians now. And of course there are many other antisemitic parts in the bible aswell.
Can we not just conclude that all religion is evil and serves no purpose to humanity other than to halt our progress as a race. And Islam is by far the worst.
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| Doublemint Austria. April 10 2012 23:33. Posts 2725 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:26 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:23 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Yeah, most probably. I am not very familiar with the Qu'ran, so I will just take your word for it.
Why take my world for it? Search "Hateful Qu'ran Quotes" into google and observe literally thousands of horrendous quotes ranging from the dismembering of jews to the orders to erradicate everyone who does not practice islam. A great evil is at work here and Israel is leading the fight against that evil.
Alright, up to this point I was ok with your statements to some extent - now you lost me for good.
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| SilentchiLL Germany. April 10 2012 23:34. Posts 556 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 23:31 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:29 SilentchiLL wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Some antisemitism? There's a shitton of antisemitism in the bible, especially in the gospel according to john which was written when the new sect of christians wanted to seclude themselves more from the jews because they didn't think of themselves as jews anymore but as christians now. And of course there are many other antisemitic parts in the bible aswell.
Can we not just conclude that all religion is evil and serves no purpose to humanity other than to halt our progress as a race. And Islam is by far the worst.
Don't get me wrong here, but Judaism isn't exactly nice either, certain parts of the thora are quite violent against heathens.
But yeah, I agree with you when you say that out of the big religions the islam has probably the biggest potential for violent fundamentalism.
EDIT: Could you edit your post to include the part I edited in in the post you quoted from me?
On April 10 2012 23:33 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:26 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:23 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Yeah, most probably. I am not very familiar with the Qu'ran, so I will just take your word for it.
Why take my world for it? Search "Hateful Qu'ran Quotes" into google and observe literally thousands of horrendous quotes ranging from the dismembering of jews to the orders to erradicate everyone who does not practice islam. A great evil is at work here and Israel is leading the fight against that evil.
Alright, up to this point I was ok with your statements to some extent - now you lost me for good.
I kind of had the feeling before already that he was... rather subjective, but yeah now he has proven how subjective he actually is.Last edit: 2012-04-10 23:36:27 |
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 zatic Germany. April 10 2012 23:35. Posts 11702 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 22:37 MyLastSerenade wrote:
he joined the SS with 17.... did he had another choice? at that time, u either went for the SS or the NSDAP or u had to live in fear to get killed the next day....
in my opinion is this just a huge overreaction.
On April 10 2012 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
(hint: deserters got shot - because after the declaration of the "total war", when the war was pretty much over for germany, there were not even enough resources/political will to give deserters fake trials.)
I don't even think this is relevant to the discussion at all, but it just drives me crazy when people spill uninformed nonsense like this. Especially when they are from Germany and supposed to learn about this in high school on like a dozen different occasions.
Nobody got shot for not being in the SS, or the Nazi party. Joining either organization was voluntary. In fact, by the end of the Reich only 8mio out of 90mio citizens where members of the NSDAP. The rest did not get shot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Membership
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Military_membership
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| SilentchiLL Germany. April 10 2012 23:38. Posts 556 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 23:35 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:37 MyLastSerenade wrote:
he joined the SS with 17.... did he had another choice? at that time, u either went for the SS or the NSDAP or u had to live in fear to get killed the next day....
in my opinion is this just a huge overreaction.
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
(hint: deserters got shot - because after the declaration of the "total war", when the war was pretty much over for germany, there were not even enough resources/political will to give deserters fake trials.)
I don't even think this is relevant to the discussion at all, but it just drives me crazy when people spill uninformed nonsense like this. Especially when they are from Germany and supposed to learn about this in high school on like a dozen different occasions. Nobody got shot for not being in the SS, or the Nazi party. Joining either organization was voluntary. In fact, by the end of the Reich only 8mio out of 90mio citizens where members of the NSDAP. The rest did not get shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Membershiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Military_membership
Maybe he ment that you could avoid to be forced to be a soldier when you had a good position in the party(to serve in a radiostation or so).Last edit: 2012-04-10 23:38:29 |
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| Eiaco April 10 2012 23:38. Posts 170 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:33 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:26 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:23 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Yeah, most probably. I am not very familiar with the Qu'ran, so I will just take your word for it.
Why take my world for it? Search "Hateful Qu'ran Quotes" into google and observe literally thousands of horrendous quotes ranging from the dismembering of jews to the orders to erradicate everyone who does not practice islam. A great evil is at work here and Israel is leading the fight against that evil.
Alright, up to this point I was ok with your statements to some extent - now you lost me for good.
I was not speaking of war against the arab people. I was speaking on the Israelites determination to not bow over to islam and western left wing bullies.
I actually dream to see an equal and free Arabia that is without the wretched doctrine that is Islam. But this does not look all possible to be honest. Maybe in another 500 years, but not now.
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| SilentchiLL Germany. April 10 2012 23:40. Posts 556 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 23:38 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:33 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:26 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:23 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Yeah, most probably. I am not very familiar with the Qu'ran, so I will just take your word for it.
Why take my world for it? Search "Hateful Qu'ran Quotes" into google and observe literally thousands of horrendous quotes ranging from the dismembering of jews to the orders to erradicate everyone who does not practice islam. A great evil is at work here and Israel is leading the fight against that evil.
Alright, up to this point I was ok with your statements to some extent - now you lost me for good.
I was not speaking of war against the arab people. I was speaking on the Israelites determination to not bow over to islam and western left wing bullies. I actually dream to see an Arabia that is free from the wretched doctrine that is Islam.
Just like Christianity and Judaism the Islam has the potential to become a modern, peaceful religion, even if it's probably a lot harder for that religion when you look at it.
Maybe you should dream about a world without any wretched religious doctrines instead Eiaco.
EDIT: Not that I wanna say that Christianity and Judaism are very peaceful religions on the whole world.Last edit: 2012-04-10 23:42:18 |
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| Eiaco April 10 2012 23:43. Posts 170 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:40 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:38 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:33 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:26 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:23 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:43 Eiaco wrote:
Israel must do what it has to do to survive. All of its neighbours hate Israel because its a jewish state. If the arab countries wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace. They do not want peace though, they want to eradicate the jews for the sole reason of being jewish.
Israel can do whatever it sees neccessary to survive in my opinion. Fuck Iran and the other Islamic hell holes that surround and hate the jewish state.
There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with. I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Yeah, most probably. I am not very familiar with the Qu'ran, so I will just take your word for it.
Why take my world for it? Search "Hateful Qu'ran Quotes" into google and observe literally thousands of horrendous quotes ranging from the dismembering of jews to the orders to erradicate everyone who does not practice islam. A great evil is at work here and Israel is leading the fight against that evil.
Alright, up to this point I was ok with your statements to some extent - now you lost me for good.
I was not speaking of war against the arab people. I was speaking on the Israelites determination to not bow over to islam and western left wing bullies. I actually dream to see an Arabia that is free from the wretched doctrine that is Islam.
Just like Christianity and Judaism the Islam has the potential to become a modern, peaceful religion, even if it's probably a lot harder for that religion when you look at it. Maybe you should dream about a world without any wretched religious doctrines instead Eiaco.
Id say the rest of the world is just about free from the extremes of religion apart from the islamic nations.
Europe used to be under the influence of extreme chrisianity, but we escaped. :D
If we escaped, then in my opinion, so can the arabs. It will take a long time though.
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| MotherOfRunes Germany. April 10 2012 23:44. Posts 1246 | Profile # |
oh god, so much shit inj here....mostly form americans....but dont blame em, for many of em foxnews and some pay tv history channels , are the only source of knowledge...and what should count here is not what exactly he wrote, the discussion should be about isreal acting like nazis in the middle east since decades...what they do to the palestina guys is supreme A class nazi shit (and believe me we germans can tell what supreme nazi shit is, sadly) and now they wanna start a war again...but if you are german and you criticize em, you are told to shut up and you are called a nazi....the holocaust was a horrible thing, but sadly since then isreal is using it as a shield of protection, to do whatever they like, without fearing consequences because isreal IS ALWAYS THE POOR VICTIM....lmao
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| Eiaco April 10 2012 23:45. Posts 170 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:44 gwaihir wrote:
oh god, so much shit inj here....mostly form americans....but dont blame em, for many of em foxnews and some pay tv history channels , are the only source of knowledge...and what should count here is not what exactly he wrote, the discussion should be about isreal acting like nazis in the middle east since decades...what they do to the palestina guys is supreme A class nazi shit and now they wanna start a war again...but if you are german and you criticize em, you are told to shut up and you are called a nazi....the holocaust was a horrible thing, but sadly since then isreal is using it as a shield of protection, to do whatever they like, without fearing consequences because isreal IS ALWAYS THE POOR VICTIM....lmao
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| SilentchiLL Germany. April 10 2012 23:47. Posts 556 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 23:43 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:40 SilentchiLL wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:38 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:33 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:26 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:23 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:20 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:15 Doublemint wrote:
On April 10 2012 23:08 Eiaco wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:56 Doublemint wrote:
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There is the crux to begin with... I am not sure it is practical and common sense to have a country surrounded by "enemy" states to begin with. There will always be at least major tensions - or a clusterfuck like we, in particular Israeli people and Palestines, have to deal with.
I am by no means a religious person, so I cannot rationally comprehend what drives these people to fight over some land which is believed to be the birth place of all 3 religions based on revelation. But if there is a god - I am pretty sure he would not agree with this bullshit going on about some land, let alone the massive amount of hate it takes to carry on.
The Islamic god clearly does. "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath." Qur'an 2:61 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'" Bukhari V4B56N679 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Bukhari V1B1N6 Is it just me, or does the "Religion of Peace" appear to be more evil than nazism? GO ISRAEL!!!
lol... I would not go as far as to nail down a whole religious system by some quotes. But it is definitely true that, regarding the interpretation and general practice of Islam - something like the "enlightenement" in the western world would definitely benefit Islam and the people practicing it. Also, I am quite sure I would also be able to find something anti semitic in the bible if I wanted to.
You probablies could find something Anti-Semetic in the bible to be honest. But anti-semitism is literally plastered all over the Qu'ran. You would struggle to find a page that does not have an anti-semetic quote on it.
Yeah, most probably. I am not very familiar with the Qu'ran, so I will just take your word for it.
Why take my world for it? Search "Hateful Qu'ran Quotes" into google and observe literally thousands of horrendous quotes ranging from the dismembering of jews to the orders to erradicate everyone who does not practice islam. A great evil is at work here and Israel is leading the fight against that evil.
Alright, up to this point I was ok with your statements to some extent - now you lost me for good.
I was not speaking of war against the arab people. I was speaking on the Israelites determination to not bow over to islam and western left wing bullies. I actually dream to see an Arabia that is free from the wretched doctrine that is Islam.
Just like Christianity and Judaism the Islam has the potential to become a modern, peaceful religion, even if it's probably a lot harder for that religion when you look at it. Maybe you should dream about a world without any wretched religious doctrines instead Eiaco.
Id say the rest of the world is just about free from the extremes of religion apart from the islamic nations. Europe used to be under the influence of extreme chrisianity, but we escaped. :D If we escaped, then in my opinion, so can the arabs. It will take a long time though.
Maybe you should educate yourself a bit more then and see for example in how many countries gay marriages are still forbidden because of old religious reasons.
And to be honest Israel itself doesn't seem like a very peaceful country without religious extremists to me aswell.Last edit: 2012-04-10 23:47:39 |
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| Agathon France. April 10 2012 23:54. Posts 1362 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:45 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:44 gwaihir wrote:
oh god, so much shit inj here....mostly form americans....but dont blame em, for many of em foxnews and some pay tv history channels , are the only source of knowledge...and what should count here is not what exactly he wrote, the discussion should be about isreal acting like nazis in the middle east since decades...what they do to the palestina guys is supreme A class nazi shit and now they wanna start a war again...but if you are german and you criticize em, you are told to shut up and you are called a nazi....the holocaust was a horrible thing, but sadly since then isreal is using it as a shield of protection, to do whatever they like, without fearing consequences because isreal IS ALWAYS THE POOR VICTIM....lmao
Actually, if you watch most news channels (such as the BBC), it is always the Palestinians that are the poor victims who can do no wrong.
Palestinian and Israelian are the poor victims who can do no wrong, indeed.
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| Velr Switzerland. April 10 2012 23:59. Posts 5092 | Profile Blog # |
Why is it left wing bullies?
I mean, just because many people tend to not agree with Israel does not mean that "we" agree with Iran or other actors in the region.
It's one big clusterfuck down there and people are fed up with Israel acting like their the "chosen people" (oh wait!) allowed to bully palestine and the others around just because the west feeds them with weapons...
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| Tula Austria. April 11 2012 00:06. Posts 893 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:35 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:37 MyLastSerenade wrote:
he joined the SS with 17.... did he had another choice? at that time, u either went for the SS or the NSDAP or u had to live in fear to get killed the next day....
in my opinion is this just a huge overreaction.
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
(hint: deserters got shot - because after the declaration of the "total war", when the war was pretty much over for germany, there were not even enough resources/political will to give deserters fake trials.)
I don't even think this is relevant to the discussion at all, but it just drives me crazy when people spill uninformed nonsense like this. Especially when they are from Germany and supposed to learn about this in high school on like a dozen different occasions. Nobody got shot for not being in the SS, or the Nazi party. Joining either organization was voluntary. In fact, by the end of the Reich only 8mio out of 90mio citizens where members of the NSDAP. The rest did not get shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Membershiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Military_membership
True but if you ignored your draft papers you definitly got shot. Without doing research I cannot list more than 3 examples offhand, but those 3 refused to serve in the army out of moral reasons and got executed for it.
Yes you were not forced into the NSDAP if you were a child, but once you got drafted (as everybody as old as Grass was) you had to serve.
Also note that no, the SS was NOT voluntary in 44. It got included into regular draft recruitment for the "elite" (meaning the top fitness candidates) after the eastern front started to collapse. |
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| 7mk Germany. April 11 2012 00:23. Posts 9436 | Profile Blog # |
On April 11 2012 00:06 Tula wrote:
Yes you were not forced into the NSDAP if you were a child
you werent forced into it as an adult either |
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| Maenander Germany. April 11 2012 00:26. Posts 3749 | Profile # |
On April 11 2012 00:06 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:35 zatic wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:37 MyLastSerenade wrote:
he joined the SS with 17.... did he had another choice? at that time, u either went for the SS or the NSDAP or u had to live in fear to get killed the next day....
in my opinion is this just a huge overreaction.
On April 10 2012 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
(hint: deserters got shot - because after the declaration of the "total war", when the war was pretty much over for germany, there were not even enough resources/political will to give deserters fake trials.)
I don't even think this is relevant to the discussion at all, but it just drives me crazy when people spill uninformed nonsense like this. Especially when they are from Germany and supposed to learn about this in high school on like a dozen different occasions. Nobody got shot for not being in the SS, or the Nazi party. Joining either organization was voluntary. In fact, by the end of the Reich only 8mio out of 90mio citizens where members of the NSDAP. The rest did not get shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Membershiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Military_membership
True but if you ignored your draft papers you definitly got shot. Without doing research I cannot list more than 3 examples offhand, but those 3 refused to serve in the army out of moral reasons and got executed for it. Yes you were not forced into the NSDAP if you were a child, but once you got drafted (as everybody as old as Grass was) you had to serve. Also note that no, the SS was NOT voluntary in 44. It got included into regular draft recruitment for the "elite" (meaning the top fitness candidates) after the eastern front started to collapse.
Grass said he was drafted into the Waffen-SS. But does it matter?
A 17 year old boy who was exposed to Nazi-propaganda for most of his life might have joined the Waffen-SS voluntarily. He must be evil incarnate if he made that choice! Really?
However, people accuse him of admitting it too late, all the while playing the moral conscience of Germany. A valid criticism.Last edit: 2012-04-11 00:33:06 |
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| Doublemint Austria. April 11 2012 00:29. Posts 2725 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 23:35 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:37 MyLastSerenade wrote:
he joined the SS with 17.... did he had another choice? at that time, u either went for the SS or the NSDAP or u had to live in fear to get killed the next day....
in my opinion is this just a huge overreaction.
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
(hint: deserters got shot - because after the declaration of the "total war", when the war was pretty much over for germany, there were not even enough resources/political will to give deserters fake trials.)
I don't even think this is relevant to the discussion at all, but it just drives me crazy when people spill uninformed nonsense like this. Especially when they are from Germany and supposed to learn about this in high school on like a dozen different occasions. Nobody got shot for not being in the SS, or the Nazi party. Joining either organization was voluntary. In fact, by the end of the Reich only 8mio out of 90mio citizens where members of the NSDAP. The rest did not get shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Membershiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Military_membership
I did not say just any non member of the NSDAP/SS/SA organisation - I specifically said deserters - especially after Goebbels declared the "total war in 43 when the war was essentially over for the Third Reich.
Even today(sic!) high ranking members of the Austrian "Bundesheer"(Army) have great difficulty to admit that it was an understandable and brave act to make the choice not to fight for a lost cause, let alone for the criminal regime of the Third Reich. We got a lot of monuments for the fallen of Stalingrad etc...
But not a SINGLE one for the deserters that got prosecuted and sentenced to death/killed because they chose not to fight.
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For people who are able to read german I recommend this little read : It´s basically a perspective of what kind of repressive measures, until this day, deserters in an Austrian context had to face - I guess it´s not that much different in Germany, though I could be wrong.
http://deserteursberatung.at/article/503
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| Cereb Denmark. April 11 2012 00:33. Posts 2400 | Profile # |
Good job by the author to shed some light on the matter.
The whole debate is another great example of one of the many matters in the world that is hard to stand up against without being labelled.
Words like Antisemitism, Racism and Malechauvinism are starting to do more harm than good. They were words that were needed years back when there was widespread injustice in these areas, but nowadays it seems that they are used more often to silence and prevent people from standing up in certain situations. |
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