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Outpicked - A Drafting Game

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 Tevinhead   United Kingdom. April 07 2012 01:06. Posts 399
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(If anyone has an interest in creating a banner for this, please contact me, would be much appreciated)

This is a relatively simple game in which 2 people will draft against each other. The draft will then be posted in the thread along with a poll. People are to vote and discuss which draft they thought was stronger. The winning drafter will go on to play the next person. I feel this should be a lot of fun and very educational.

If you want to participate, please follow the following steps
:

  1. Send me a PM through TL. At which point you'll be added to the waiting list.
  2. When it is your time to draft you will be sent a PM asking for confirmation. Reply to the PM saying when you are available to do the draft.
  3. If both parties message a time they can agree on, a new PM will be sent to both participants telling them the when and where.


Waiting List:
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Rules:

  • Drafting will be done on 'Latest' version.
  • If neither party can agree to a time within 20 hours of the first PM being sent. Both will forfeit their place in the queue. This allows for a smoother pace of drafts.
  • Polls will be open until the next draft takes place and is posted. Results of past drafts will be stored in original topic as well as the current draft that is being voted on and discussed.
  • Try to keep topic discussion relevant and avoid short posts. Let's keep this thread entertaining and insightful.
  • After drafting ends. Both participants will submit their lanes to me privately at which point the draft will shortly be posted. (Note that whilst lanes are decided before seeing the enemy's lanes. It can be assumed that a team might make a few lane changes if things are going horribly wrong although you would need to account for the disadvantage of wasting time doing so etc)
  • Please be polite to the drafters. Not everyone is a Dota genius. This thread is to help people and share your opinions.
  • Drafters are picked on a strict 'first come first served' basis.
  • Drafters must have at least 20 posts on Team Liquid to avoid dupe accounts.
  • Drafting will take place in-game so please make sure you have a copy of Dota 2 in order to play.
  • Players are required to give their thoughts on how the draft went and summarize their lineup's strengths. This will be added to the OP along with the draft.



Current match:

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dragonborn's thoughts:
Lanes:

Top - Dark Seer
Jungle - Enchantress
Middle - Enigma
Bot - Tide, Morphling

First Ban: i did ban Lycan, because i dont like to play with it/against it.

Second Ban: Chen, i think its obvious to ban him, heal power and pushing power is tooooo strong! i dont want to play against heavy-push team like lycan/chen.

Third Ban: Nature Prophet, same reason as lycan/chen, i dont want to play against push power!

First Pick: Tide Hunter, its such a amazing hero for team fights, his ulti is amazing at team fights, my plan was creating a team-fight team, so tide was perfect choice for me.

Second Pick: Enchantress, because i need a jungler/healer/support for team, so this hero was perfect choice.

Third Pick: Enigma, i pick it for solo mid and black hoooole for team fights! if you watch syndereN's stream, you will see how amazing is Enigma mid!

Fourth Ban: Rikimaru, his smoke is to strong against my heroes, if he disables ulti of enigma/tide, team fights being awful for me.

Fifth Ban: Beastmaster, his ulti is pretty good against my heroes, if he focus my enigma with ulti, combats being awful for me yet again.

Fourth Pick: Dark Seer, Ravage, Black Hole into vacuum/wall of replica, how awesome it is? also Seer is such a amazing solo Bot hero, i was so lucky that greymist didnt ban DS!

Fifth Pick: Morphling, the best range carry in game, wave form is so useful with ravage/blackhole/vacuum, also if game is going late game, he cant counter my morphling with his picks.

Lanes: Dark Seer is one of the best top solo hero in this game, so ds goes top.Tide/Morph Bot, i think its a good coordination when Enchantress comes gang from Jungle, tide's slow into ench's! Enigma middle, these days im watching syndereN's stream, enigma mid is soooooooo amazing, especially when you denying creeps with your skill, since he dont have any amazing mid hero like QoP/Storm/Invoker, sending enigma mid was perfect choice.

game overview: he have Night Stalker and will disable one of ulti of tide/enigma, but i dont think its enough, because when i using ravage/vacuum wall of replica, silence of Night stalker will end on tide/enigma, so still looking good for me.If my morphling get enough farm/or late game, its my game to win!





GreYMisT's thoughts:
Dire Lanes:

Top: Night Stalker

Roaming: Sand King, Vengeful Spirit (Will start top)

Middle: Leshrac

Bottom: WindRunner


Thoughts:

So this draft was really difficult. Dragonborn was really on top of his game and chose a lot of the heroes I wanted for my line up. For example I wanted to grab the Dark Seer jungle and a Morphling. I found myself being pressed for time quite often. Anyway I still think I have a decent shot!


In banning phase 1 we both basically banned out things we didnt want to deal with, so thats pretty straight forward.

Picking Phase 1:

He had first pick and chose tidehunter. Right off the bat I know that i'm going to need to counter his teamfight somehow, so I choose to take the windrunner, as well as sandking. Sandking has great ganking utility, as well as a killer ultimate. And winderunner is just a great hero all around.

He then picks Enchantress as well as Enigma. I still need a support hero so I choose to pick Vengeful Spirit. VS can swap people out of enigma's black hole, and breaks great abilities and auras into play.

Second Banning Phase:

He begins by Banning Riki, obviously trying to limit the options for agi carries in the game. I decide to ban Venomancer, as a veno+enchantress+enigma = an Unhappy tier 1 tower. He then bans Beast master which I assume is in fear of the aura stack with VS. I round out the banning phase by banning Mirana, a Great solo sidelane carry.

Second Picking Phase: He opens with Dark Seer, someone I wanted to jungle with on my team. At the moment I am hard pressed. I give up on my jungle idea because I'm not willing to risk a Lifestealer in the jungle against his lineup. I decide to pick Leshrac for a nice solo mid hero, and to counter his pushing power and to give me some carry power into the late game. He then picks morphling, a very strong carry with great mobility. I decide to counter this mobility with a carry of my own, Night Stalker.

Laning thoughts.

I am a bit confused with what he will chose to do laning wise, but the best I can figure is that he will have enchantress in the jungle, Morphling mid, Enigma or Darkseer solo top (guessing dark seer) and Enigma and tide on bot lane.

I decided on my laning settup for a couple of reasons, WR is a strong solo lane almost no matter what, so i feel fine having her solo bot.

Leshrac needs those levels of diabolic edict to effectivly push towers down, so i stick him mid to give him the levels and great ganking potential.

I would normally like to see Night stalker middle, but I feel like morphling would screw with him too much, I stick him top with a VS and a SK. They will both be pulling a lot, and will roam much of the game. The real boon for me will be the first night phase. Im planning on them all rotating mid or top, and ganking whatever is there. The lesh stun followed by the VS stun followed by the NS silence and the borrowstrike is more than enough to keep the morphling from waveforming away.

If i can use the great ganking potential of my team to lock his down, and gain the advantage in the mid game, I should come out on top.



Poll: Seventh round of Outpicked

dragonborn (57)
 
70%

GreYMisT (24)
 
30%

81 total votes

Your vote: Seventh round of Outpicked

(Vote): dragonborn
(Vote): GreYMisT



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Last edit: 2012-04-19 10:16:07
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 Hoban   United States. April 07 2012 01:13. Posts 961
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Haha awesome idea, looking forward to seeing what comes of it!
"I am a leaf on the wind."
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  Kipsate   Netherlands. April 07 2012 01:15. Posts 18150Profile Blog # 
All heroes allowed or just the current Dota 2 pool?
Park Ji Yeon/Ye Eun/Kang Min Kyung, T-ara/Wonder Girls/Davichi
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 DR.Ham   Netherlands. April 07 2012 01:16. Posts 374
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This is an excellent idea, looking forward to understanding the logic behind peoples picks. Hopefully it will stay a friendly thread!
 
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 Tevinhead   United Kingdom. April 07 2012 01:17. Posts 399
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On April 07 2012 01:15 Kipsate wrote:
All heroes allowed or just the current Dota 2 pool?

Current dota pool. Drafting will take place ingame to make sure drafters have at least played Dota 2. I'll update OP to reflect this.
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 Benjef   United Kingdom. April 07 2012 02:04. Posts 5544
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This sounds like fun :D.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
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 TheWarbler   United States. April 07 2012 02:08. Posts 1241
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Sweet. I can't wait to draft.
if you can believe you can concieve
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 Candadar   April 07 2012 02:48. Posts 1791
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This sounds like a fun idea :D
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 Tevinhead   United Kingdom. April 07 2012 03:01. Posts 399
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[image loading]


First match drafted! Please vote and discuss on which draft you feel is stronger and explain why.
(Note that Lewfen won toincoss and decided to take dire. Radiant was first pick)

[image loading]

Finished. Lewfen wins.
Last edit: 2012-04-07 15:23:34
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 TheWarbler   United States. April 07 2012 03:09. Posts 1241
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Tryhat would win this game because the Dire can't push against the radiant and spectre will be able to farm all day and furion will just push until spec kills them all. Riki won't outcarry a farmed spectre.
if you can believe you can concieve
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 Tevinhead   United Kingdom. April 07 2012 03:15. Posts 399
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On April 07 2012 03:09 TheWarbler wrote:
Tryhat would win this game because the Dire can't push against the radiant and spectre will be able to farm all day and furion will just push until spec kills them all. Riki won't outcarry a farmed spectre.

Enchantress, Veno, Riki can't push an off-lane prophet? All Enchantress has to do is double stack the creep wave and push early. But then this leaves Riki in an awkward position to farm. I feel like the Riki pick feels out of place. And Tryhat could even switch to dual lanes to stop the pushing at top whilst still giving Spectre freefarm.
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 Yoshi-   Germany. April 07 2012 03:26. Posts 4067
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Easy win for Dire.
Way better push and riki can actually control the game, while spectre needs to farm.
And this tri lane is just odd, no stun just slows and no pushing power. tide/lich will just be underleveled.
Last edit: 2012-04-07 03:28:09
 
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 Candadar   April 07 2012 03:29. Posts 1791
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I chose Radiant.

I just feel like the lategame is going to be so much better if they can get rice on Spectre, and they will have a much better time pushing as well. Prophet can do his magic and keep lanes pushed, and along with Beastmaster can absolutely annihilate a tower assuming BM gets a Necro. I do think Dire has a really good shot of snowballing early on with Enchantress, Veno, and Riki lane, but I feel like Radiant can hold off long enough and could properly dust/ward to shut down the Riki.

Also, BM stun + Tidehunter ravage + Spectre ult they have far better teamfight. Also, something I thought of as I type this up is that Spectre + Furion can absolutely ravage the Dire with ganks. But Dire would have a damn good fight imo.
Last edit: 2012-04-07 03:31:34
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 Yoshi-   Germany. April 07 2012 03:32. Posts 4067
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Radiant have better team fights?

Cool story.
 
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 Candadar   April 07 2012 03:33. Posts 1791
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On April 07 2012 03:32 Yoshi- wrote:
Radiant have better team fights?

Cool story.


You could have the decency to explain your stance why I'm wrong instead of being sarcastic.

:|
Last edit: 2012-04-07 03:34:11
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 Yoshi-   Germany. April 07 2012 03:35. Posts 4067
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2 stuns + lich ulti + spectre ulti against 4-5 stuns + aoe silence + wards + tons of aoe spells + heal + tons of damage due to impetus + venos ulti

Riki will get bkb so will rhasta

Beastmaster needs to disable one of them
This means that either riki has enough time to rape everyone, or rhasta can just shackle a hero without getting interrupted. Also when they get iniation on beastmaster, he may even not get a roar off. When rhasta shackles beastmaster, he can't use roar.

Moreover, Dire supports actually have some sort of autoattack damage. Lich and tide doesn't have that.
Last edit: 2012-04-07 03:39:01
 
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 Lewfen   Sweden. April 07 2012 03:39. Posts 86
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As an afterthought I really don't like my riki pickup, I really wasn't sure what my last pick would be. I was thinking maybe a Pudge and have the game end before late game but I pussied out and went for a half arsed attempt at a decent late.
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 rabidch   Singapore. April 07 2012 03:42. Posts 8093
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Dire.

There is not enough to stop a early pushing powering mid game Riki. In bot lane there are no hard disables for Windrunner and 2 melee heroes, giving her leeway for escaping, she definitely won't win the lane against a Lich but all she has to do is count on the other lanes to win theirs. Not only that, but since Spectre is getting devoted farm this leaves out Tide and Lich with just pulling for their gold, and getting experience is extremely important for having a good game because their entire teamfight revolves around these 2 heroes... Mid is somewhat even, Top should be a win for Dire, Furion can spam Treants all he wants, but there's nothing stopping Enchantress + Veno smoke ganks besides the immediate teleport out, and if they do well it's very easy to spill over into the other lanes.
Last edit: 2012-04-07 03:42:56
thug life.
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 Unleashing   Denmark. April 07 2012 03:43. Posts 2411
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Dire for sure. Spectre wont reach lategame, assuming all players are at equal skill, obviously.
And lich will be a problem as well since the dire will be pushing a lot and the lich needs to sacrifice their own units for mana.

Dire can easily force fights and force spectre to fight way before she has the farm to do so.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - KuroKy
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 Candadar   April 07 2012 03:43. Posts 1791
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On April 07 2012 03:35 Yoshi- wrote:
2 stuns + lich ulti + spectre ulti against 4-5 stuns + aoe silence + wards + tons of aoe spells + heal + tons of damage due to impetus + venos ulti


That's being rather disingenuous.

It's more like

2 stuns + lich ulti + spectre ulti + aoe damage reduction + aoe spells vs 3-4 stuns + aoe silence (that can be avoided) + wards (which are a non-factor depending on positioning and prep time) + heal + veno ulti + impetus (assuming she isn't stunned) + aoe spells

I agree when you put it like this, it does seem rather in the Dire's favor -- but don't be hilariously one sided about it. I'm considering changing my vote now though, my choice was a rather split second decision.
Last edit: 2012-04-07 03:44:50
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