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| n00bbot United States. April 10 2012 16:42. Posts 86 | Profile # |
I am having a VERY odd problem with my windows.
It takes almost 10 minutes for my windows to boot. It goes to the boot screen (the screen that indicates which buttons to press for boot (f11), Bios (F2), etc etc) for like 5 mins, then goes into the windows loading screen for like 5 more minutes, then finally at the password entry screen, after that it goes into windows normally, but everything seems to be lagging when im in windows. Everything loads up fast as it should with my system specs (if i click something like google chrome or sc2 or AIM it loads as if nothing was wrong) but when i right click on any icon in my windows bar ie to close google chrome, the google chrome menu shows up slowly almost like going 1-3 FPS per second.
It's hard to explain, but I don't even understand why this is the case.
Everything works perfectly fine after it's started up and running, but when going to boot or right click something it goes very slow. if i double click something it goes normal speed to load or if i alt+4 or directly close via "X" it closes normally.
I've never encountered this kind of behavior and have no idea about this |
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| enemy2010 Germany. April 10 2012 17:08. Posts 1966 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Askr Germany. April 10 2012 17:36. Posts 139 | Profile # |
if it's already "lagging" on the POST, then defragging your HDD won't help much, because there is a hardware problem somewhere
the problem in windows is strange by itself alone, but regarding the fact, that the problem occurs already far before windows, there is some sort of greater problem.
could be a defunct HDD that causes problems while booting (hence the lagging POST) and then fucking up your windows in the way you describe
unplug your HDD(s) and try to boot a linux live CD and check if it behaves strange in some way, to see what happens (if it behaves strange it's a hardware thing somewhere, if it seems okay, it's likely your HDD)
at least this would be the first thing i'd try |
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| jojoleb Lebanon. April 10 2012 17:47. Posts 172 | Profile # |
maybe virus ?
backup everything and format ! :D
but most probably HDD problem. |
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| SiNKami United States. April 10 2012 18:34. Posts 1755 | Profile Blog # |
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| AzureHath Bulgaria. April 10 2012 19:18. Posts 154 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 18:34 AeroEffect wrote:
do you have a bunch of random stuff that starts up with your pc when you first turn it on? you may just have a bunch of bloat-ware and need to get rid of all that extra unnecessary junk.
He's saying it takes 10 minutes for his pc to POST, after windows has loaded he said it's fine.
On-topic: Most likely a HDD problem, I once had a HDD that was declining drastically in performance and I had a similar problem to what you're describing. I would suggest swapping your current HDD with another to see if your PC will POST fine, in which case it would indicate a HDD problem. |
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| Tanukki Finland. April 10 2012 21:18. Posts 501 | Profile # |
| Agreed it's likely the HDD, I'd start backing up my stuff while it's still alive. |
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| HomeWorld Romania. April 10 2012 21:48. Posts 561 | Profile # |
Indeed, the HDD is the problem, since it behaves so "badly" after POST, I recommend you not to try to "fix" it but to get a new HDD.
Also good luck backing up your old HDD  , it will take a while and lets hope it wont be eventful. |
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 JingleHell United States. April 10 2012 21:56. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
| What are your CPU temps? I'd suggest before buying an HDD, open up your case and dust out your CPU cooler with a can of air. |
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| HomeWorld Romania. April 10 2012 22:03. Posts 561 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 21:56 JingleHell wrote:
What are your CPU temps? I'd suggest before buying an HDD, open up your case and dust out your CPU cooler with a can of air.
I see a theme here on TL, every time someone have a hardware problem most of us will blame the cpu cooler(high temp)/power source. That isn't quite helpful, sometimes quite misleading when you already know the magnitude of the problem (in our case we are seeing a process that usually takes ~ 1 minute being done in ~5 minutes or more, that alone tells a lot to a person that have some good knowledge about pc hardware)
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| JingleHell United States. April 10 2012 22:07. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 22:03 HomeWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 21:56 JingleHell wrote:
What are your CPU temps? I'd suggest before buying an HDD, open up your case and dust out your CPU cooler with a can of air.
I see a theme here on TL, every time someone have a hardware problem most of us will blame the cpu cooler(high temp)/power source. That isn't quite helpful, sometimes quite misleading when you already know the magnitude of the problem (in our case we are seeing a process that usually takes ~ 1 minute being done in ~5 minutes or more, that alone tells a lot to a person that have some good knowledge about pc hardware)
If he spends a long time getting through the BIOS, it can easily be the CPU. If you have some good knowledge about PC hardware, I'm sure you're aware of this. Since checking temps is free, explain how it does ANY harm to test it before spending money on a component?
A suggestion. Unless advice is actually BAD in a troubleshooting thread, don't attack it. As it turns out, we've had a LOT of people fix problems with a can of air.
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| HomeWorld Romania. April 10 2012 22:13. Posts 561 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 22:07 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:03 HomeWorld wrote:
On April 10 2012 21:56 JingleHell wrote:
What are your CPU temps? I'd suggest before buying an HDD, open up your case and dust out your CPU cooler with a can of air.
I see a theme here on TL, every time someone have a hardware problem most of us will blame the cpu cooler(high temp)/power source. That isn't quite helpful, sometimes quite misleading when you already know the magnitude of the problem (in our case we are seeing a process that usually takes ~ 1 minute being done in ~5 minutes or more, that alone tells a lot to a person that have some good knowledge about pc hardware)
If he spends a long time getting through the BIOS, it can easily be the CPU. If you have some good knowledge about PC hardware, I'm sure you're aware of this. Since checking temps is free, explain how it does ANY harm to test it before spending money on a component? A suggestion. Unless advice is actually BAD in a troubleshooting thread, don't attack it. As it turns out, we've had a LOT of people fix problems with a can of air.
You are forgetting one important part of BIOS: detecting and initializing the devices. Trust me, having a "bad" HDD will have the POST finish "tomorrow". As a side note, thermal throttling doesn't kicks in during POST (since most of the tasks done at that time aren't CPU intensive)Last edit: 2012-04-10 22:14:26 |
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| JingleHell United States. April 10 2012 22:16. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 22:13 HomeWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:07 JingleHell wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:03 HomeWorld wrote:
On April 10 2012 21:56 JingleHell wrote:
What are your CPU temps? I'd suggest before buying an HDD, open up your case and dust out your CPU cooler with a can of air.
I see a theme here on TL, every time someone have a hardware problem most of us will blame the cpu cooler(high temp)/power source. That isn't quite helpful, sometimes quite misleading when you already know the magnitude of the problem (in our case we are seeing a process that usually takes ~ 1 minute being done in ~5 minutes or more, that alone tells a lot to a person that have some good knowledge about pc hardware)
If he spends a long time getting through the BIOS, it can easily be the CPU. If you have some good knowledge about PC hardware, I'm sure you're aware of this. Since checking temps is free, explain how it does ANY harm to test it before spending money on a component? A suggestion. Unless advice is actually BAD in a troubleshooting thread, don't attack it. As it turns out, we've had a LOT of people fix problems with a can of air.
You are forgetting one important part of BIOS: detecting and initializing the devices. Trust me, having a "bad" HDD will have the POST finish "tomorrow". As a side note, thermal throttling doesn't kicks in during POST (since most of the tasks done at that time aren't CPU intensive)
I'm not forgetting at all. I'm reminding you that eliminating variables for free is NEVER a bad idea. Unless you're a sales guy at Best Buy.
You shouldn't let yourself get emotionally invested in your opinion. Troubleshooting is a process, there's a lot of things that can cause different problems, and checking things for free first isn't a bad thing. If it's his HDD, it won't bother me in the slightest, as long as he gets his issue fixed. I just would hate to see him buy the HDD without checking other things first at no cost.Last edit: 2012-04-10 22:20:05 |
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| HomeWorld Romania. April 10 2012 22:24. Posts 561 | Profile # |
On April 10 2012 22:16 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:13 HomeWorld wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:07 JingleHell wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:03 HomeWorld wrote:
On April 10 2012 21:56 JingleHell wrote:
What are your CPU temps? I'd suggest before buying an HDD, open up your case and dust out your CPU cooler with a can of air.
I see a theme here on TL, every time someone have a hardware problem most of us will blame the cpu cooler(high temp)/power source. That isn't quite helpful, sometimes quite misleading when you already know the magnitude of the problem (in our case we are seeing a process that usually takes ~ 1 minute being done in ~5 minutes or more, that alone tells a lot to a person that have some good knowledge about pc hardware)
If he spends a long time getting through the BIOS, it can easily be the CPU. If you have some good knowledge about PC hardware, I'm sure you're aware of this. Since checking temps is free, explain how it does ANY harm to test it before spending money on a component? A suggestion. Unless advice is actually BAD in a troubleshooting thread, don't attack it. As it turns out, we've had a LOT of people fix problems with a can of air.
You are forgetting one important part of BIOS: detecting and initializing the devices. Trust me, having a "bad" HDD will have the POST finish "tomorrow". As a side note, thermal throttling doesn't kicks in during POST (since most of the tasks done at that time aren't CPU intensive)
I'm not forgetting at all. I'm reminding you that eliminating variables for free is NEVER a bad idea. Unless you're a sales guy at Best Buy.
Lets call it a gut guess I have ~10 years background as service technician for HP desktops/workstations/servers (we know, we know, some HP products aren't that stellar ) ). Anyway, I gave my input based on my experience and not because it is cool to post on TL.net . Call it a shortcut that might be quite helpful when identifying "da problem" |
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| JingleHell United States. April 10 2012 22:30. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On April 10 2012 22:24 HomeWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 22:16 JingleHell wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:13 HomeWorld wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:07 JingleHell wrote:
On April 10 2012 22:03 HomeWorld wrote:
On April 10 2012 21:56 JingleHell wrote:
What are your CPU temps? I'd suggest before buying an HDD, open up your case and dust out your CPU cooler with a can of air.
I see a theme here on TL, every time someone have a hardware problem most of us will blame the cpu cooler(high temp)/power source. That isn't quite helpful, sometimes quite misleading when you already know the magnitude of the problem (in our case we are seeing a process that usually takes ~ 1 minute being done in ~5 minutes or more, that alone tells a lot to a person that have some good knowledge about pc hardware)
If he spends a long time getting through the BIOS, it can easily be the CPU. If you have some good knowledge about PC hardware, I'm sure you're aware of this. Since checking temps is free, explain how it does ANY harm to test it before spending money on a component? A suggestion. Unless advice is actually BAD in a troubleshooting thread, don't attack it. As it turns out, we've had a LOT of people fix problems with a can of air.
You are forgetting one important part of BIOS: detecting and initializing the devices. Trust me, having a "bad" HDD will have the POST finish "tomorrow". As a side note, thermal throttling doesn't kicks in during POST (since most of the tasks done at that time aren't CPU intensive)
I'm not forgetting at all. I'm reminding you that eliminating variables for free is NEVER a bad idea. Unless you're a sales guy at Best Buy.
Lets call it a gut guess I have ~10 years background as service technician for HP desktops/workstations/servers (we know, we know, some HP products aren't that stellar ) ). Anyway, I gave my input based on my experience and not because it is cool to post on TL.net . Call it a shortcut that might be quite helpful when identifying "da problem"
A gut guess can be good, but you should never try to argue against a reasonable test. I run off my gut the majority of the time. But save the arguing for bad suggestions. Large chunks of my head were screaming HDD just reading the title of the thread, and I agree it's a very solid chance. But when you're dealing with someone else's money and/or time, there's no harm whatsoever in taking them through other logical, free steps first, if for no other reason than their peace of mind.
Oh, and no offense, but any time someone feels the need to talk about their credentials, a lot of us giggle hysterically. Last edit: 2012-04-10 22:31:10 |
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| HomeWorld Romania. April 10 2012 22:40. Posts 561 | Profile # |
Well, quite obvious thing to do would be to first look in the system event log. It should be filled with tons of warnings/errors (99% of the time pointing to the faulty hardware component), if not, then we are in the WTF zone That should be the very first step.
Anyway I'm not going to argue with you anymore. The OP have already some good starting points into identifying/fixing the "problem". Other than that I wish to OP best of luck. |
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| TheToast United States. April 10 2012 23:34. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
*sigh*
There are some good ideas here, but need to be put together in a coherent manner. OP I highly suggest you do the following things in this order:
- As JingleHell suggested, check hardware temps. If the CPU is overheating for some reason, the system may be throttling it. Not a very likely scenario given what you've described, but it's the easiest to check.
- As Homeworld suggested, check the system event log. Right click on My Computer, select Manage. In the Computer Management Window, go to Events Viewer on the left and side and select System events from the list. Scroll down and look for any red items that would indicate a system error. Often, if a system file is corrupted, Windows will hang on startup as it attempts to start a Service that isn't responding. If it's a Windows service, I would recommend a fresh install, trying to replace or repair Windows system files is annoying business. If a system driver or service associated with software simply reinstall the driver or software.
- If that's not it, it could be a HDD issue. Before you go out an buy a new one, run a Check Disk from the Windows boot media or just set it up to run on reboot from Windows. It's not the most comprehensive HDD testing tool out there, but it should be able to detect physical faults on the drive (which can cause corruption to files) and has a limited capacity to repair corrupted system files.
- If the harddrive checks out, I would recommend a complete re-install of Windows. More than likely that would solve any issues as I am fairly confident it's a software issue and not hardware.
@Homeword: Troubleshooting is a process, you should know that working 10 years in the IT field. The issue is probably not hardware related, (I'd bet stacks of money it was a service hanging on boot) there's nothing wrong with checking hardware temps. It takes 5 seconds and can eliminate a whole mess of problems. And telling a guy off the bat to buy a new HDD is absurd. There's no evidence at all that the hard drive is bad. Unless the PC is not detecting the HDD, there's no way you can tell for sure it's bad without running some type of test. I'd hate to think how many good drives you've tossed at the expense of your employer. Last edit: 2012-04-11 00:06:23 |
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| n00bbot United States. April 11 2012 06:21. Posts 86 | Profile # |
It's been fixed, I'm not sure, but it just stopped doing at.
After installing some windows updates it went back to normal in terms of slow windows...but now my Sc2 seems to be having random crashes and screens that hang and everything else works (ie i can tab out to windows and use chrome, aim , etc etc.) but sc2 still hangs in the background. I end up having to force quit sc2. and of course, again, sometimes it just crashes and sends a report to blizzard lol |
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| n00bbot United States. April 11 2012 06:24. Posts 86 | Profile # |
Also, when i alt tab out of sc2 while this is happening, I see my CPU is barely going up to 30% usage. I don't think it''s a heat problem (I just built my computer so there shouldn't be any dust built up in the past week lol)
I used thermal paste as recommended by the arctic silver site for my i5 2500K CPU
should i do a fresh install of sc2? |
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| EdenPLusDucky Singapore. April 11 2012 06:30. Posts 566 | Profile Blog # |
| power options > create a power plan > high performance > change plan settings > advanced power settings > minimum processor state set to 30%, monitor temperatures. Your CPU is underperforming for some reason |
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