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| ForTheDr3am April 23 2012 05:53. Posts 705 | Profile # |
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place. |
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| Zealos United Kingdom. April 23 2012 05:58. Posts 1748 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place.
He's right, no lynch = really bad. |
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| MidnightGladius China. April 23 2012 06:06. Posts 849 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 05:49 St.Daniel wrote:
How do we ask question to the coach? PM?
Yes, feel free to PM sandroba, wherebugsgo, Jitsu, GreYMisT or Blazinghand for coaching. If more players express an interest to act as coaches for this game, their names will be added to the OP. |
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| MajuGarzett Canada. April 23 2012 06:10. Posts 469 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place.
He's right, no lynch = really bad.
I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia. |
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| ForTheDr3am April 23 2012 06:36. Posts 705 | Profile # |
On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote:
On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place.
He's right, no lynch = really bad.
I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia.
How are exactly are we to understand the fact that according to you, he has "shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie" but "no distinct signs of being mafia? |
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| Zealos United Kingdom. April 23 2012 06:54. Posts 1748 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 06:36 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote:
On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote:
On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place.
He's right, no lynch = really bad.
I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia.
How are exactly are we to understand the fact that according to you, he has "shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie" but "no distinct signs of being mafia?
It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting" |
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| ArcticFox United States. April 23 2012 07:09. Posts 654 | Profile # |
On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote:
On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place.
He's right, no lynch = really bad.
I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia.
Why wouldn't someone need help this early? When I played my first game, I was bugging my coach a day and a half before it started.
Not too many people have posted so far. Game started like 5 hours or so earlier than we expected, so I guess that's natural. But I will be checking to see who hasn't posted so we can start making people talk.
The most important thing is for everyone to be active. If we allow people not to post, it also allows scum not to post, which is the easiest way for them to play.
I would highly suggest that everyone make a notepad file or excel sheet and start keeping tabs of who they think is giving off townie and scummy vibes. As the game gets longer, it will be very helpful to have a quick guide to go back to for remembering how you felt about everyone. It will help you when you re-read filters as well to see how it lines up with the notes you've taken.
As it stands, there are now 7 people who haven't posted yet. Last game we nearly lynched scum Day 1 because we had some really good discussion going right out of the gate.
For example: Maju's idea to lynch lurkers. It's so standard that it's not even really worth discussing, BUT it's the only thing that's been brought up, so when you make your first post, post your thoughts on it. My personal thought is I want the game to be active enough that we don't have to, but if you won't talk, you can hang.
Discuss!
(P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3) |
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| ForTheDr3am April 23 2012 07:32. Posts 705 | Profile # |
On April 23 2012 07:09 ArcticFox wrote:
For example: Maju's idea to lynch lurkers. It's so standard that it's not even really worth discussing, BUT it's the only thing that's been brought up, so when you make your first post, post your thoughts on it. My personal thought is I want the game to be active enough that we don't have to, but if you won't talk, you can hang.
Discuss!
(P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3)
Lynch all lurkers is far from everything that has been brought up until now. You even brought up that Zealos is acting a bit scummy yourself, and I am still waiting on Maju's answer on the exact meaning of his latest post. That is a decent discussion ground already without giving people the opportunity to just make empty posts on lurker lynches.
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| yomi United States. April 23 2012 08:12. Posts 772 | Profile Blog # |
hey bros. I'm not 100% convinced that we should lynch day1. but if we do
##vote: majugarzett |
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| St.Daniel United States. April 23 2012 08:58. Posts 29 | Profile # |
Whoa, hold on a sec yomi. You think we shouldn't lynch D1 and you vote Maj? for what? I find that little odd. Please give us your reason.
My analysis on Dr3am:
On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place.
Note how he propose that the players should actively vote to avoid no lynch, and then he goes on and say that the best way to gather information is by good "discussion." That doesn't make any sense. Acquiring information for good discussion has nothing to do with his proposal. It doesn't support why people shouldn't vote for no lynch. Also, how does no lynch benefit scum exactly. If we do not have a convincing case but vote anyway for the sake of lynching someone, the chance is that we may lynch townie, thus benefiting mafia. This post doesn't bring up any topic that we can discuss but rather a vague statement that doesn't serve any purpose. I'm not yet convinced that he is a scum but this is just a thought. |
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| MajuGarzett Canada. April 23 2012 09:00. Posts 469 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 07:32 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:09 ArcticFox wrote:
For example: Maju's idea to lynch lurkers. It's so standard that it's not even really worth discussing, BUT it's the only thing that's been brought up, so when you make your first post, post your thoughts on it. My personal thought is I want the game to be active enough that we don't have to, but if you won't talk, you can hang.
Discuss!
(P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3)
Lynch all lurkers is far from everything that has been brought up until now. You even brought up that Zealos is acting a bit scummy yourself, and I am still waiting on Maju's answer on the exact meaning of his latest post. That is a decent discussion ground already without giving people the opportunity to just make empty posts on lurker lynches.
I just meant he might be mafia or he might be a detective or medic or something. |
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| MajuGarzett Canada. April 23 2012 09:21. Posts 469 | Profile Blog # |
| Yomi seems suspicious to me. He says he isn't sure about lynching someone then votes when no one else has. That makes it more likely someone will be lynched. Also, he gave no reasons as to why I should be lynched. This makes me think he's a mafia who just wants to get some townie lynched. |
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| ForTheDr3am April 23 2012 09:49. Posts 705 | Profile # |
On April 23 2012 08:58 St.Daniel wrote:Whoa, hold on a sec yomi. You think we shouldn't lynch D1 and you vote Maj? for what? I find that little odd. Please give us your reason. My analysis on Dr3am:
Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place.
Note how he propose that the players should actively vote to avoid no lynch, and then he goes on and say that the best way to gather information is by good "discussion." That doesn't make any sense. Acquiring information for good discussion has nothing to do with his proposal. It doesn't support why people shouldn't vote for no lynch. Also, how does no lynch benefit scum exactly. If we do not have a convincing case but vote anyway for the sake of lynching someone, the chance is that we may lynch townie, thus benefiting mafia. This post doesn't bring up any topic that we can discuss but rather a vague statement that doesn't serve any purpose. I'm not yet convinced that he is a scum but this is just a thought.
The most fruitful discussions are those about whom to lynch. If townies agree to not lynch or even just play with the mindset of not lynching, it will stifle discussion and harm our scumhunting abilities. The reason why no lynch itself is bad should be obvious - lynching is our only way (apart from the vigilante) to kill mafia. If, after 2 days, there is no single decent case then we have failed as town.
It wasn't my primary intention to start a huge discussion with that post, I mainly wanted to make sure no townie goes "let's just no-lynch day 1!". Surprisingly enough, you felt the need to discuss it anyways by saying that it doesn't bring up a topic to discuss. Frankly, you aren't even accusing me of anything specific. So, I have a few questions for you.
a) Do you understand/agree with my point now?
b) There are enough posts in the topic that actually don't serve any purpose. What made you jump on mine? Seeing that yomi (and apparently you) aren't convinced that not lynching is generally bad, it seems it was pretty necessary after all.
c) You seem to have a slight inclination to think that I am scum. What, exactly, is your accusation? Am I trying to pretend to contribute? Inconsistency?
As far as I am concerned, your post was pretty empty contentwise. Your analysis of my post was not really an analysis, it just has the vagueness that you claimed I was guilty of. I hope you can answer my questions satisfactory, at least.
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As for other people.
@Zealos: I didn't mention it before because I originally wanted to observe more of you, but what is with the negative tone in your first few posts, and the frequent one-liners? Such an aggression in tone is pointless at best and disrupts the town atmosphere at worst. All you have done is verbally hating on Maju without much content.
@yomi: Others have asked already, please explain that last post of yours.
@Maju: You specifically said he has shown no distinct sign of being mafia. If you actually thought he might have a blue role, it is bad play to say so in the thread.
I'll be off for tonight, then. I hope the current open questions will be answered, and everybody will post. |
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| yomi United States. April 23 2012 10:13. Posts 772 | Profile Blog # |
not much to explain, it makes perfect sense if you don't play like maniac day1 townies who read way too much into things. there's nothing contradictory or unusual about what I said.
You should all be voting, townies have no reason to fear voting. Mafia are afraid to take concrete stances. Everyone vote asap plz.
I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway. |
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| MajuGarzett Canada. April 23 2012 10:55. Posts 469 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote:
not much to explain, it makes perfect sense if you don't play like maniac day1 townies who read way too much into things. there's nothing contradictory or unusual about what I said.
You should all be voting, townies have no reason to fear voting. Mafia are afraid to take concrete stances. Everyone vote asap plz.
I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway.
I would still like to hear the reasoning on me being mafia.
@forthedr3am: I realise I may have phrased that poorly earlier, I meant there was no way to differentiate if he was mafia or blue. |
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| yomi United States. April 23 2012 10:57. Posts 772 | Profile Blog # |
| pointing out that someone is mafia or blue is not helpful because the mafia know who the other mafia are and you are just helping them target blues |
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| St.Daniel United States. April 23 2012 11:11. Posts 29 | Profile # |
On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote:
not much to explain, it makes perfect sense if you don't play like maniac day1 townies who read way too much into things. there's nothing contradictory or unusual about what I said.
What. The. Fuq.
First of all, you haven't said ANYTHING. You just said that no lynch for D1 is not bad and..... That's IT. I still don't get why you think Maj is a scum. Instead of explaining your position, you made it even more odd. If you think Maj is a scum, fine, give us evidence, proof, or at least something we can put under consideration.
You should all be voting, townies have no reason to fear voting. Mafia are afraid to take concrete stances. Everyone vote asap plz.
You said you are not convinced that we should lynch D1 and now you want everyone to vote asap? Am I missing something? What made you change your mind so quickly?
I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway.
Again. Why? Almost half of people hasn't even posted and you jump to the conclusion that Maj is a scum.
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| MajuGarzett Canada. April 23 2012 11:11. Posts 469 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 10:57 yomi wrote:
pointing out that someone is mafia or blue is not helpful because the mafia know who the other mafia are and you are just helping them target blues
Yeah, I realise now that I didn't really think that through.
You still have not given evidence as to why I would be mafia, that's two posts in a row you've avoided the question. Furthermore, you're pressuring people to lynch someone who you so far have proposed no case against and when many people have not yet posted. To me this hints at you being mafia as you just want to get someone who you know isn't mafia lynched as fast as possible.
Also, you say mafia are afraid to take concrete stances when you're original post stated that you were not sure that anyone should be lynched.
Initially claiming you may not want to lynch anybody, then launching seemingly unfounded accusations, then pressuring everyone else to follow you blindly seems pretty scummy to me. |
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| insectoceanx United States. April 23 2012 11:27. Posts 166 | Profile Blog # |
Well I don't think anyone should be considered just based on asking for help. yomi's behavior seems slightly suspicious. Why would you lead by saying you are not convinced a lynching should even happen but then vote for someone in the next breath.
I agree we should lynch someone and am still reserving judgement. |
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| yomi United States. April 23 2012 11:31. Posts 772 | Profile Blog # |
On April 23 2012 11:11 MajuGarzett wrote:
You still have not given evidence as to why I would be mafia, that's two posts in a row you've avoided the question. Furthermore, you're pressuring people to lynch someone who you so far have proposed no case against and when many people have not yet posted. To me this hints at you being mafia as you just want to get someone who you know isn't mafia lynched as fast as possible.
Also, you say mafia are afraid to take concrete stances when you're original post stated that you were not sure that anyone should be lynched.
Initially claiming you may not want to lynch anybody, then launching seemingly unfounded accusations, then pressuring everyone else to follow you blindly seems pretty scummy to me.
you need to work on your reading comprehension and hyperbole if you want to succeed in this game.
What have I accused you of that is unfounded? When did I pressure everyone to vote for you?
Please quote me saying these things.
I'm voting for you because you are stupid or mafia but you cannot be a good townie. |
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