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| Jisall United States. April 21 2012 04:25. Posts 1537 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me. |
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| Holytornados United States. April 21 2012 04:32. Posts 623 | Profile # |
On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
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| squanzo April 21 2012 04:48. Posts 54 | Profile # |
Look I'm gonna sum up this entire thread right here:
If you honestly don't think Ron Paul is the only candidate that has the ideas to restore America, it's monetary system, the gold standard, resolve largely funded bank bailouts, peace in the middle east, or any other policy requiring a plan of action over the next 4 years to ensure the American people's rights are properly protected while consistently improving quality of life not only in this country but around the world, then you have failed to properly assess the situation this country is in and how we got here, and where we're going, and I can only hope you will not vote this year. It's that simple. Have a good day.
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| hiro protagonist April 21 2012 04:57. Posts 1029 | Profile # |
On April 21 2012 04:48 squanzo wrote:
Look I'm gonna sum up this entire thread right here:
If you honestly don't think Ron Paul is the only candidate that has the ideas to restore America, it's monetary system, the gold standard, resolve largely funded bank bailouts, peace in the middle east, or any other policy requiring a plan of action over the next 4 years to ensure the American people's rights are properly protected while consistently improving quality of life not only in this country but around the world, then you have failed to properly assess the situation this country is in and how we got here, and where we're going, and I can only hope you will not vote this year. It's that simple. Have a good day.
I love 50% of Ron Paul's policy opinions. Unfortunately, the other 50% would be so bad for the US and the the rest of the world in general, that it would cancel out any good that his other polices would bring. If I could vote for 50% of Ron Paul, I would. But i cant, Its all of him, or nothing...
On topic, Im voting for Obama. Hes done pretty good IMO. |
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| seppolevne Canada. April 21 2012 06:12. Posts 1644 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
How do you reason not voting = no complaining? What is different between the exact same words and arguments coming from someone who two years earlier checked a box and one who didn't? |
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| Jisall United States. April 21 2012 06:16. Posts 1537 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 06:12 seppolevne wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
How do you reason not voting = no complaining? What is different between the exact same words and arguments coming from someone who two years earlier checked a box and one who didn't?
Because if you complain but do nothing, your just a nagger.
If you complain but try to actively persue a solution, your a contributor.Last edit: 2012-04-21 06:16:11 |
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| Slakter Sweden. April 21 2012 06:26. Posts 1847 | Profile # |
On April 21 2012 06:16 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 06:12 seppolevne wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
How do you reason not voting = no complaining? What is different between the exact same words and arguments coming from someone who two years earlier checked a box and one who didn't?
Because if you complain but do nothing, your just a nagger. If you complain but try to actively persue a solution, your a contributor.
You can do things without voting. Actually most actual social change comes from grass root activism, not a meaningless vote for a bought president.
I wont vote because I find the system of representative democracy horrible, why does that mean that I have no right to complain about the shit that we´re in? |
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| DannyJ United States. April 21 2012 06:31. Posts 3730 | Profile # |
On April 21 2012 06:16 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 06:12 seppolevne wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
How do you reason not voting = no complaining? What is different between the exact same words and arguments coming from someone who two years earlier checked a box and one who didn't?
Because if you complain but do nothing, your just a nagger. If you complain but try to actively persue a solution, your a contributor.
People who go and check a box for 1 of 2 guys they probably don't like are actively contributing towards a solution? |
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| Defacer Canada. April 21 2012 06:32. Posts 4809 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 06:26 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 06:16 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 06:12 seppolevne wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
How do you reason not voting = no complaining? What is different between the exact same words and arguments coming from someone who two years earlier checked a box and one who didn't?
Because if you complain but do nothing, your just a nagger. If you complain but try to actively persue a solution, your a contributor.
You can do things without voting. Actually most actual social change comes from grass root activism, not a meaningless vote for a bought president. I wont vote because I find the system of representative democracy horrible, why does that mean that I have no right to complain about the shit that we´re in?
To clarify for myself, I don't have an issue with people not voting but engaging in the actually political arena, through activism or protest.
My peeve is with people that equate sitting on their ass and "not voting", or clicking a button on an online petition, to "sticking it to the man".
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 liberal April 21 2012 06:42. Posts 1116 | Profile # |
On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
Suppose a cafeteria gives me the option of either a turd sandwich or a turd casserole. Suppose I refuse to vote for either of these on the principle that people shouldn't be forced to eat shit. Does that mean I'm not allowed to complain when I'm forced to eat shit?
Internet analogies 1-0 Democracy cliches
Suppose you think there are some fundamentally immoral aspects of a system or country, and that voting for any candidate who supports them is implicitly granting your consent to the immorality. Shouldn't a person then be allowed to not vote and to still voice their complaints?
Stop this simplistic reasoning judging. |
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 {CC}StealthBlue United States. April 21 2012 06:47. Posts 15305 | Profile Blog # |
It annoys me when I hear other Americans say "Both parties suck and don't care about voters so I'm not going to vote."
Third Parties have ballot access in a majority of states including the Libertarian, and Green Party. |
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| denzelz United States. April 21 2012 06:47. Posts 602 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 01:50 Golgotha wrote:
It's hilarious when people shove recent poll numbers in my face when the actual election is months away. They mean NOTHING right now. One cannot simply think the actual race will be very close based on the poll numbers of today. That is not a good projection of how the election will go. IMO Obama is a sure win this year. People must understand that TOP republican heads are backing away from this election year due to the fact that Obama is too strong.
Also, keep in mind that Romney...is tolerable at best to Republican leaders. I don't hate Romney, I wouldn't mind him, but Obama's reach and influence is far too great for such a weak contender.
This is probably the most honest, most balanced analysis of the situation in this thread yet. |
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| Defacer Canada. April 21 2012 06:49. Posts 4809 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 06:42 liberal wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them
I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote.
Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares.
Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep.
If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me.
I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back.
Suppose a cafeteria gives me the option of either a turd sandwich or a turd casserole. Suppose I refuse to vote for either of these on the principle that people shouldn't be forced to eat shit. Does that mean I'm not allowed to complain when I'm forced to eat shit? Internet analogies 1-0 Democracy cliches Suppose you think there are some fundamentally immoral aspects of a system or country, and that voting for any candidate who supports them is implicitly granting your consent to the immorality. Shouldn't a person then be allowed to not vote and to still voice their complaints? Stop this simplistic reasoning judging.
Just leave your shit-serving cafeteria and move to the free-health care cafeteria next door. LOL.
Seriously though, complaining on the internet does not equal doing something.
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| supereddie Netherlands. April 21 2012 06:49. Posts 74 | Profile # |
| Is it possible to vote 'None of the above' (or similar) in US elections? Whenever I vote in the Netherlands I have the option to produce a 'blanc' vote: one that does count for the voter turnout, but has no effect on the actual results. It also sends a message that I have taken the effort and time to go and vote but that I cannot identity with any of the candidates. |
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| TheToast United States. April 21 2012 06:52. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It annoys me when I hear other Americans say "Both parties suck and don't care about voters so I'm not going to vote."
Third Parties have ballot access in a majority of states including the Libertarian, and Green Party.
But they're not going to win. Third parties only serve to split the vote between them and one of the main parties, resulting in the other main party winning. That's generally considered to be the reason why George HW Bush lost in 1992, large numbers of typically republican voters crossed over to Ross Perot, giving Clinton the edge.
This is a well known and documented phenomena with a direct representation system, and one of the reasons why most countries around the world utilize a proportional representation system. |
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| Defacer Canada. April 21 2012 06:53. Posts 4809 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 06:49 supereddie wrote:
Is it possible to vote 'None of the above' (or similar) in US elections? Whenever I vote in the Netherlands I have the option to produce a 'blanc' vote: one that does count for the voter turnout, but has no effect on the actual results. It also sends a message that I have taken the effort and time to go and vote but that I cannot identity with any of the candidates.
That's cool! "This is bullshit!" should be an option for all voters. |
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| liberal April 21 2012 06:56. Posts 1116 | Profile # |
On April 21 2012 06:53 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 06:49 supereddie wrote:
Is it possible to vote 'None of the above' (or similar) in US elections? Whenever I vote in the Netherlands I have the option to produce a 'blanc' vote: one that does count for the voter turnout, but has no effect on the actual results. It also sends a message that I have taken the effort and time to go and vote but that I cannot identity with any of the candidates.
That's cool! "This is bullshit!" should be an option for all voters.
That would be so awesome. I'd never miss an election. |
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| Defacer Canada. April 21 2012 06:57. Posts 4809 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2012 06:52 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It annoys me when I hear other Americans say "Both parties suck and don't care about voters so I'm not going to vote."
Third Parties have ballot access in a majority of states including the Libertarian, and Green Party.
But they're not going to win. Third parties only serve to split the vote between them and one of the main parties, resulting in the other main party winning. That's generally considered to be the reason why George HW Bush lost in 1992, large numbers of typically republican voters crossed over to Ross Perot, giving Clinton the edge. This is a well known and documented phenomena with a direct representation system, and one of the reasons why most countries around the world utilize a proportional representation system.
Hey, the Green Party and the New Democratic Party used to be considered piddly, novelty parties in Canada. Then with years of ongoing support, the New Democratic Party has overtaken the Liberals as the primary opposition and the Green Party has enough influence as an independent to swing votes in either direction.
A small party like the Tea Party/Libertarian Party may never govern, but if they have enough support they can shape and influence policy.
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| urashimakt United States. April 21 2012 07:02. Posts 1524 | Profile # |
On April 21 2012 06:49 supereddie wrote:
Is it possible to vote 'None of the above' (or similar) in US elections? Whenever I vote in the Netherlands I have the option to produce a 'blanc' vote: one that does count for the voter turnout, but has no effect on the actual results. It also sends a message that I have taken the effort and time to go and vote but that I cannot identity with any of the candidates.
Yes, you may submit a blank ballot. However, there's no consequence in the United States for not voting, so you can do that, too. |
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