On May 04 2012 03:52 xDaunt wrote: There's nothing disingenuous about referring to Morris as Clinton's former adviser. That's what he is. Sure, he's conservative as far as democratic advisers go.
It's absolutely disingenous, because you stated "Dick Morris (Clinton's former adviser)", which makes it his primary descriptor or title. That would be like saying Mitt Romney (former Stanford night security guard); yes, the description is true, but when you use it in lieu of other descriptors it's deliberately misdirecting people as to their real significance.
Dick Morris's real significance is as a Republican author/commentator/strategist, and it's obvious that labeling him as a former Clinton advisor is just meant to give some credibility to his ridiculously early prediction. C'mon xDaunt, I know you're a smart guy, so don't resort to silly rhetorical tactics to make your point; it's embarassing to the conservative cause.
On May 04 2012 03:52 xDaunt wrote: However, I find it funny that you mock Morris for encouraging Clinton to adopt conservative policies when it's that advice that led Clinton to win a second term and be well-regarded as a former president.
I'm not mocking him. I'm pointing out that he even when he advised Clinton he was still a conservative advisor, well in line with his conservative background. In other words, I'm reinforcing the point that the portrayal of Morris as a Democratic/liberal advisor is a misleading deception.
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BioNova United States. May 04 2012 10:40. Posts 531
WASHINGTON -- A prominent Iowa Republican, and a major supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did not hesitate to answer when asked recently how many of the Hawkeye State's 28 delegates he expects Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to have heading into the national convention in Tampa this August.
"Twenty," he said.
Conversations with numerous Iowa Republicans confirms the same thing: The state party establishment is dreading a Paul rout on June 15 and 16 at the two-day congressional district/state convention in Des Moines.
"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.
Another Republican operative who works for a statewide official sounded an even more despondent note.
"It does not sound encouraging. The Paul people are in a position to control the delegates, and the result would be chaotic for the Republican Party of Iowa and bring it to a screeching halt, rendering it completely irrelevant to our efforts here," the Republican aide told The Huffington Post. "Nobody would rely on [the state party] for anything."
After the fiasco earlier this year involving the caucus results, Iowans are nervous that if Paul gets a majority of the delegates, it will endanger their first-in-the-nation primary status. On Jan. 3, Romney was reported the winner, only to have the state GOP announce two weeks later that the result was inconclusive, then to reverse again and say that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was the victor. The party chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned as a result of the confusion.
Oh snap. Doesn't look like Paul will get much more than this, but Iowa is looking shaky for the general if this is the case.
You didn't read the article, or 'in between' the lines... so let me get you up to speed. Ron Paul..without media endorsement/proper coverage has reached the break point. Fox even admitted he will be on the ballot in Tampa. I'd link video, but youtube keeps yanking the video.
Now, here is the scenario.
Round 1..Closet Paul Delagates vote 'Abstain'. Thanks to McCain for that. Round 2 RP delegates unite and prove that 'if the Mitt doesn't fit...you must aquit.' Round 3 Obama's shit's himself, and the media goes...'whoops' honest mistake >.> Round 4 Assassination or the greatest presidential debates in American History :D
Not trying to rattle your cage, not trying to say you're wrong. Just telling you the media is woefully suspect and the only people who saw this coming are the Paulites. GOP threatened to 'not seat' the entire Nevada delegation today? Why? One word.
SCARED
I used to like trumpets, now I prefer pause. "Don't move a muscle JP!"
When she started talking about dairy farming in the US, it made me really proud to be Canadian. Most Canadians don't realize how fortunate they are -- NO hormones are allowed in milk produced in Canada. Any or all milk that is enhanced is through natural or vitamin-enriched feed. What passes for normal milk in Canada would probably be considered a premium, 'organic' or hippie product in the US.
Sorry for the tangent.
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aksfjh United States. May 04 2012 13:13. Posts 3678
WASHINGTON -- A prominent Iowa Republican, and a major supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did not hesitate to answer when asked recently how many of the Hawkeye State's 28 delegates he expects Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to have heading into the national convention in Tampa this August.
"Twenty," he said.
Conversations with numerous Iowa Republicans confirms the same thing: The state party establishment is dreading a Paul rout on June 15 and 16 at the two-day congressional district/state convention in Des Moines.
"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.
Another Republican operative who works for a statewide official sounded an even more despondent note.
"It does not sound encouraging. The Paul people are in a position to control the delegates, and the result would be chaotic for the Republican Party of Iowa and bring it to a screeching halt, rendering it completely irrelevant to our efforts here," the Republican aide told The Huffington Post. "Nobody would rely on [the state party] for anything."
After the fiasco earlier this year involving the caucus results, Iowans are nervous that if Paul gets a majority of the delegates, it will endanger their first-in-the-nation primary status. On Jan. 3, Romney was reported the winner, only to have the state GOP announce two weeks later that the result was inconclusive, then to reverse again and say that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was the victor. The party chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned as a result of the confusion.
Oh snap. Doesn't look like Paul will get much more than this, but Iowa is looking shaky for the general if this is the case.
You didn't read the article, or 'in between' the lines... so let me get you up to speed. Ron Paul..without media endorsement/proper coverage has reached the break point. Fox even admitted he will be on the ballot in Tampa. I'd link video, but youtube keeps yanking the video.
Now, here is the scenario.
Round 1..Closet Paul Delagates vote 'Abstain'. Thanks to McCain for that. Round 2 RP delegates unite and prove that 'if the Mitt doesn't fit...you must aquit.' Round 3 Obama's shit's himself, and the media goes...'whoops' honest mistake >.> Round 4 Assassination or the greatest presidential debates in American History :D
Not trying to rattle your cage, not trying to say you're wrong. Just telling you the media is woefully suspect and the only people who saw this coming are the Paulites. GOP threatened to 'not seat' the entire Nevada delegation today? Why? One word.
SCARED
The amount of delusion Paulites are willing to endure will never cease to amaze me.
Saryph United States. May 04 2012 13:41. Posts 712
WASHINGTON -- A prominent Iowa Republican, and a major supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did not hesitate to answer when asked recently how many of the Hawkeye State's 28 delegates he expects Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to have heading into the national convention in Tampa this August.
"Twenty," he said.
Conversations with numerous Iowa Republicans confirms the same thing: The state party establishment is dreading a Paul rout on June 15 and 16 at the two-day congressional district/state convention in Des Moines.
"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.
Another Republican operative who works for a statewide official sounded an even more despondent note.
"It does not sound encouraging. The Paul people are in a position to control the delegates, and the result would be chaotic for the Republican Party of Iowa and bring it to a screeching halt, rendering it completely irrelevant to our efforts here," the Republican aide told The Huffington Post. "Nobody would rely on [the state party] for anything."
After the fiasco earlier this year involving the caucus results, Iowans are nervous that if Paul gets a majority of the delegates, it will endanger their first-in-the-nation primary status. On Jan. 3, Romney was reported the winner, only to have the state GOP announce two weeks later that the result was inconclusive, then to reverse again and say that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was the victor. The party chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned as a result of the confusion.
Oh snap. Doesn't look like Paul will get much more than this, but Iowa is looking shaky for the general if this is the case.
You didn't read the article, or 'in between' the lines... so let me get you up to speed. Ron Paul..without media endorsement/proper coverage has reached the break point. Fox even admitted he will be on the ballot in Tampa. I'd link video, but youtube keeps yanking the video.
Now, here is the scenario.
Round 1..Closet Paul Delagates vote 'Abstain'. Thanks to McCain for that. Round 2 RP delegates unite and prove that 'if the Mitt doesn't fit...you must aquit.' Round 3 Obama's shit's himself, and the media goes...'whoops' honest mistake >.> Round 4 Assassination or the greatest presidential debates in American History :D
Not trying to rattle your cage, not trying to say you're wrong. Just telling you the media is woefully suspect and the only people who saw this coming are the Paulites. GOP threatened to 'not seat' the entire Nevada delegation today? Why? One word.
SCARED
The amount of delusion Paulites are willing to endure will never cease to amaze me.
Reminds me of the Ron Paul supporters in the old thread who stated that if he didn't win the initial January caucus in Iowa they would rise up and start killing people in the state (because any result other than him winning must be a conspiracy against Paul.)
WASHINGTON -- A prominent Iowa Republican, and a major supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did not hesitate to answer when asked recently how many of the Hawkeye State's 28 delegates he expects Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to have heading into the national convention in Tampa this August.
"Twenty," he said.
Conversations with numerous Iowa Republicans confirms the same thing: The state party establishment is dreading a Paul rout on June 15 and 16 at the two-day congressional district/state convention in Des Moines.
"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.
Another Republican operative who works for a statewide official sounded an even more despondent note.
"It does not sound encouraging. The Paul people are in a position to control the delegates, and the result would be chaotic for the Republican Party of Iowa and bring it to a screeching halt, rendering it completely irrelevant to our efforts here," the Republican aide told The Huffington Post. "Nobody would rely on [the state party] for anything."
After the fiasco earlier this year involving the caucus results, Iowans are nervous that if Paul gets a majority of the delegates, it will endanger their first-in-the-nation primary status. On Jan. 3, Romney was reported the winner, only to have the state GOP announce two weeks later that the result was inconclusive, then to reverse again and say that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was the victor. The party chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned as a result of the confusion.
Oh snap. Doesn't look like Paul will get much more than this, but Iowa is looking shaky for the general if this is the case.
You didn't read the article, or 'in between' the lines... so let me get you up to speed. Ron Paul..without media endorsement/proper coverage has reached the break point. Fox even admitted he will be on the ballot in Tampa. I'd link video, but youtube keeps yanking the video.
Now, here is the scenario.
Round 1..Closet Paul Delagates vote 'Abstain'. Thanks to McCain for that. Round 2 RP delegates unite and prove that 'if the Mitt doesn't fit...you must aquit.' Round 3 Obama's shit's himself, and the media goes...'whoops' honest mistake >.> Round 4 Assassination or the greatest presidential debates in American History :D
Not trying to rattle your cage, not trying to say you're wrong. Just telling you the media is woefully suspect and the only people who saw this coming are the Paulites. GOP threatened to 'not seat' the entire Nevada delegation today? Why? One word.
SCARED
The amount of delusion Paulites are willing to endure will never cease to amaze me.
I oscillate between finding it funny and sad ,-)
neversummer United States. May 04 2012 16:45. Posts 156
When she started talking about dairy farming in the US, it made me really proud to be Canadian. Most Canadians don't realize how fortunate they are -- NO hormones are allowed in milk produced in Canada. Any or all milk that is enhanced is through natural or vitamin-enriched feed. What passes for normal milk in Canada would probably be considered a premium, 'organic' or hippie product in the US.
Sorry for the tangent.
Milk a source of pride? Seems like quite a stretch.
I'm sure you're referring to agricultural practices as a whole, to which I have little expertise. I can assure you, however, that every grocery store I've been to has offered hormone-free or organic milk. Milk is far from a concern in the upcoming election.
Those scientists better check their hypotenuses, dude.
When she started talking about dairy farming in the US, it made me really proud to be Canadian. Most Canadians don't realize how fortunate they are -- NO hormones are allowed in milk produced in Canada. Any or all milk that is enhanced is through natural or vitamin-enriched feed. What passes for normal milk in Canada would probably be considered a premium, 'organic' or hippie product in the US.
Sorry for the tangent.
Milk a source of pride? Seems like quite a stretch.
I'm sure you're referring to agricultural practices as a whole, to which I have little expertise. I can assure you, however, that every grocery store I've been to has offered hormone-free or organic milk. Milk is far from a concern in the upcoming election.
It's just one of those little things that as a Canadian, I've never had to worry about. There's also universal healthcare, regulated banks, etc. That's why I mentioned it was a tangent.
If you watch the whole video, the meta-narrative is that the moral standards in America in regards to how they the safety and risks of their food is simply lower then many other first world countries. It's pretty pathetic.
But who knows, maybe if you guy's elected politicians that cared more about public health and welfare and less about gay marriage, the moment of conception and corporate deregulation you might never have to worry about ANY milk you buy.
AcuWill United States. May 07 2012 01:54. Posts 280
That is despite strong arm tactics from National GOP, distributing fake Ron Paul delegate slates by Romney supporters, attempts to get non-state delegates to vote, and recounting over and over the Ron Paul supporting chairman voting counts which he won.
This all begs the question, if Romney is "clearly the victor", why all the attempts to cheat?
CFR = Council on Foreign Relations. Created by the in 1917 too help steer the world into a new world order.
Obama = CFR Member
Romney = CFR Member
Ron Paul = Not CFR Member. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I think the choice becomes clear... I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't vote for Ron Paul. Imagine years down the road when statues of the guy are everywhere and your kid asks hey Dad you voted for Ron Paul too right? No, I voted for Obama :-(. Do you really want your kid to know you were once a brain washed retard? lawlz
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Oh Divine Providence I ask not for more riches, but for more wisdom to make wiser use of the riches given to me at birth consisting of the ability to direct and control my own mind to which ever ends I desire.
WASHINGTON -- A prominent Iowa Republican, and a major supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did not hesitate to answer when asked recently how many of the Hawkeye State's 28 delegates he expects Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to have heading into the national convention in Tampa this August.
"Twenty," he said.
Conversations with numerous Iowa Republicans confirms the same thing: The state party establishment is dreading a Paul rout on June 15 and 16 at the two-day congressional district/state convention in Des Moines.
"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.
Another Republican operative who works for a statewide official sounded an even more despondent note.
"It does not sound encouraging. The Paul people are in a position to control the delegates, and the result would be chaotic for the Republican Party of Iowa and bring it to a screeching halt, rendering it completely irrelevant to our efforts here," the Republican aide told The Huffington Post. "Nobody would rely on [the state party] for anything."
After the fiasco earlier this year involving the caucus results, Iowans are nervous that if Paul gets a majority of the delegates, it will endanger their first-in-the-nation primary status. On Jan. 3, Romney was reported the winner, only to have the state GOP announce two weeks later that the result was inconclusive, then to reverse again and say that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was the victor. The party chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned as a result of the confusion.
Oh snap. Doesn't look like Paul will get much more than this, but Iowa is looking shaky for the general if this is the case.
You didn't read the article, or 'in between' the lines... so let me get you up to speed. Ron Paul..without media endorsement/proper coverage has reached the break point. Fox even admitted he will be on the ballot in Tampa. I'd link video, but youtube keeps yanking the video.
Now, here is the scenario.
Round 1..Closet Paul Delagates vote 'Abstain'. Thanks to McCain for that. Round 2 RP delegates unite and prove that 'if the Mitt doesn't fit...you must aquit.' Round 3 Obama's shit's himself, and the media goes...'whoops' honest mistake >.> Round 4 Assassination or the greatest presidential debates in American History :D
Not trying to rattle your cage, not trying to say you're wrong. Just telling you the media is woefully suspect and the only people who saw this coming are the Paulites. GOP threatened to 'not seat' the entire Nevada delegation today? Why? One word.
SCARED
The amount of delusion Paulites are willing to endure will never cease to amaze me.
I like Ron Paul but your right. The problem is they live in a media bubble.
WASHINGTON -- A prominent Iowa Republican, and a major supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did not hesitate to answer when asked recently how many of the Hawkeye State's 28 delegates he expects Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to have heading into the national convention in Tampa this August.
"Twenty," he said.
Conversations with numerous Iowa Republicans confirms the same thing: The state party establishment is dreading a Paul rout on June 15 and 16 at the two-day congressional district/state convention in Des Moines.
"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.
Another Republican operative who works for a statewide official sounded an even more despondent note.
"It does not sound encouraging. The Paul people are in a position to control the delegates, and the result would be chaotic for the Republican Party of Iowa and bring it to a screeching halt, rendering it completely irrelevant to our efforts here," the Republican aide told The Huffington Post. "Nobody would rely on [the state party] for anything."
After the fiasco earlier this year involving the caucus results, Iowans are nervous that if Paul gets a majority of the delegates, it will endanger their first-in-the-nation primary status. On Jan. 3, Romney was reported the winner, only to have the state GOP announce two weeks later that the result was inconclusive, then to reverse again and say that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was the victor. The party chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned as a result of the confusion.
Oh snap. Doesn't look like Paul will get much more than this, but Iowa is looking shaky for the general if this is the case.
You didn't read the article, or 'in between' the lines... so let me get you up to speed. Ron Paul..without media endorsement/proper coverage has reached the break point. Fox even admitted he will be on the ballot in Tampa. I'd link video, but youtube keeps yanking the video.
Now, here is the scenario.
Round 1..Closet Paul Delagates vote 'Abstain'. Thanks to McCain for that. Round 2 RP delegates unite and prove that 'if the Mitt doesn't fit...you must aquit.' Round 3 Obama's shit's himself, and the media goes...'whoops' honest mistake >.> Round 4 Assassination or the greatest presidential debates in American History :D
Not trying to rattle your cage, not trying to say you're wrong. Just telling you the media is woefully suspect and the only people who saw this coming are the Paulites. GOP threatened to 'not seat' the entire Nevada delegation today? Why? One word.
SCARED
The amount of delusion Paulites are willing to endure will never cease to amaze me.
I like Ron Paul but your right. The problem is they live in a media bubble.
Sorry but could you clarify what you mean when you say "they live in a media bubble"? Media bubble for or against Ron Paul?
DannyJ United States. May 07 2012 04:30. Posts 3812
Your right the Ron Paul stuff is getting pathetic. Pathetic most Americans aren't voting for the guy.
Oh Divine Providence I ask not for more riches, but for more wisdom to make wiser use of the riches given to me at birth consisting of the ability to direct and control my own mind to which ever ends I desire.
BioNova United States. May 07 2012 05:31. Posts 531
On May 07 2012 02:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yep, it's time for the GOP old guard to start sweating.
BREAKING: Paul supporters take 22 of 25 available national delegate slots for Nevada. (Romney won caucus in landslide). #nvgop #RNCpanic
Actual proportions of delgates should have been 20-8 for Romney. Paul folks obligated to vote for Romney on 1st Tampa ballot, but... #nvgop
"Paul folks obligated to vote for Romney on 1st Tampa ballot"
What is the actual chance of it getting to a second vote though?
I want you to tell me something for a change. Impart your non-delusional wisdom as you google a contributory post instead of more ridiculous generalizations. If I link something, it will be delusional. I'm sure whatever you dig up for will be informative and precise on the subject of whether a bound delagate can abstain, or what the chances of a second vote would be, if and when they could.
From 2008... for informative purposes
By Lisa Mascaro
Sunday, Sept. 7, 2008 | 2 a.m.
Washington —
Sun Archives ■More Stories by Lisa Mascaro
In the end, the revolution would be fought from within.
Nevada’s loyal supporters of one-time presidential hopeful Ron Paul, who pushed so hard for a seat at the table at the Republican National Convention, decided when their moment arrived last week to break bread rather than dishes.
On the third night of the convention, when the state Republican Party chairman stood in the hall and announced Nevada would be casting all of its 34 delegates for Sen. John McCain, it was because the Paul supporters made it so.
Paul delegate Carl Bunce said Friday they decided not to spoil the party. Bunce knew Republicans from Nevada, a swing state this election year, wanted desperately to present a unified front for McCain.
The Paul supporters had to decide — make a point or make peace?
Their few votes would not bring the congressman’s suspended campaign for the presidency any closer to its goal. Nor would they stop the ascension of McCain. Had they abstained, which under party rules was the only act of opposition they were allowed, it would be a symbolic act.
So Bunce and the other Paul delegates decided to use the political capital they had gained during the months-long war with the state party to try to generate a little more.
WASHINGTON -- A prominent Iowa Republican, and a major supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did not hesitate to answer when asked recently how many of the Hawkeye State's 28 delegates he expects Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to have heading into the national convention in Tampa this August.
"Twenty," he said.
Conversations with numerous Iowa Republicans confirms the same thing: The state party establishment is dreading a Paul rout on June 15 and 16 at the two-day congressional district/state convention in Des Moines.
"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.
Another Republican operative who works for a statewide official sounded an even more despondent note.
"It does not sound encouraging. The Paul people are in a position to control the delegates, and the result would be chaotic for the Republican Party of Iowa and bring it to a screeching halt, rendering it completely irrelevant to our efforts here," the Republican aide told The Huffington Post. "Nobody would rely on [the state party] for anything."
After the fiasco earlier this year involving the caucus results, Iowans are nervous that if Paul gets a majority of the delegates, it will endanger their first-in-the-nation primary status. On Jan. 3, Romney was reported the winner, only to have the state GOP announce two weeks later that the result was inconclusive, then to reverse again and say that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was the victor. The party chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned as a result of the confusion.
Oh snap. Doesn't look like Paul will get much more than this, but Iowa is looking shaky for the general if this is the case.
You didn't read the article, or 'in between' the lines... so let me get you up to speed. Ron Paul..without media endorsement/proper coverage has reached the break point. Fox even admitted he will be on the ballot in Tampa. I'd link video, but youtube keeps yanking the video.
Now, here is the scenario.
Round 1..Closet Paul Delagates vote 'Abstain'. Thanks to McCain for that. Round 2 RP delegates unite and prove that 'if the Mitt doesn't fit...you must aquit.' Round 3 Obama's shit's himself, and the media goes...'whoops' honest mistake >.> Round 4 Assassination or the greatest presidential debates in American History :D
Not trying to rattle your cage, not trying to say you're wrong. Just telling you the media is woefully suspect and the only people who saw this coming are the Paulites. GOP threatened to 'not seat' the entire Nevada delegation today? Why? One word.
SCARED
The amount of delusion Paulites are willing to endure will never cease to amaze me.
I like Ron Paul but your right. The problem is they live in a media bubble.
Sorry but could you clarify what you mean when you say "they live in a media bubble"? Media bubble for or against Ron Paul?
There's an entire category of Ron Paul and/or Libertarian news that gets circulated among supporters. Off the top of my head, I can distinguish 3 separate websites with Ron Paul in the name, that do nothing but rally and consolidate Ron Paul favoring news stories. It's like the relative absence of coverage of him in the "mainstream" news created a void which has been filled by content that ONLY pertains to Paul.
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neversummer United States. May 04 2012 16:45. Posts 156
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