 Sheppard83 Germany. April 19 2012 23:50. Posts 14 | Profile # |
hi guys,
i watched the ret stream against cloud on 17th april.
I saw the first game where ret builds 15 hatch, 16 Pool, then 2 Queens and after the 2 Queens he builds the next 2 queens. I tried pretty hard but i am not beeing able to have 300 minerals and a 48/52 supply (than he builds 3 gas). My minerals are always against 600 or 700. How its possible to do this. I ve made 10 custom games so far and i cant reach this mineral level. (and its not getting better after the 48/52 supply mark)
Its the first game, starts after 4 minutes.
http://www.twitch.tv/liquidret/b/315304585
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| Hulkoff Sweden. April 19 2012 23:52. Posts 41 | Profile # |
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| aebriol Norway. April 19 2012 23:54. Posts 2064 | Profile # |
On April 19 2012 23:50 Sheppard83 wrote:hi guys, i watched the ret stream against cloud on 17th april. I saw the first game where ret builds 15 hatch, 16 Pool, then 2 Queens and after the 2 Queens he builds the next 2 queens. I tried pretty hard but i am not beeing able to have 300 minerals and a 48/52 supply (than he builds 3 gas). My minerals are always against 600 or 700. How its possible to do this. I ve made 10 custom games so far and i cant reach this mineral level. (and its not getting better after the 48/52 supply mark) Its the first game, starts after 4 minutes. http://www.twitch.tv/liquidret/b/315304585
Post a replay and we'll tell you what you are doing wrong ... |
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| lhr0909 United States. April 20 2012 00:13. Posts 531 | Profile Blog # |
| I bet it is supply block. Overlord at 9, 18, 27, 33, then just make sure you have at least 1 overlord at every round of injects (or use the new larvae generated by the hatches). I can barely have 2 spines, 4 queens and constant 0 larvae and <200 minerals till 44 supply |
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| Aocowns Norway. April 20 2012 00:25. Posts 3476 | Profile Blog # |
| If you dunno completely how to do it, then I suggest Idra vs Domorin in the EGMC. Idra does this style quite frequently, and he is great at it. Better than Ret if I dare say so, and he has more experience with it. Idra also does it on his stream quite often, so if you look through the vods I am sure you could find some games from the first person view |
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| CrazyIvanPL Poland. April 20 2012 00:28. Posts 184 | Profile # |
| I think it's all about letting ur drones to harves automatically while best players "loops" them to the closes once, so they get more mins/sec. |
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| arie3000 April 20 2012 01:13. Posts 98 | Profile # |
On April 20 2012 00:28 CrazyIvanPL wrote:
I think it's all about letting ur drones to harves automatically while best players "loops" them to the closes once, so they get more mins/sec.
The poster has a problem spending money, not getting it quicker...  (read the 'against' in his post as 'around', it is a German thing).
But maybe it is cleverly sending drones early game - did you try to rally all your drones to close mineral patches, as Tang describes in his tutorial? |
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| dronefarm United States. April 20 2012 02:22. Posts 260 | Profile Blog # |
My girlfriend said I don't do it like ret either  |
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| YosHGo Czech Republic. April 20 2012 02:31. Posts 297 | Profile # |
On April 20 2012 02:22 dronefarm wrote:My girlfriend said I don't do it like ret either
I see :D |
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| DogBite April 20 2012 03:24. Posts 37 | Profile # |
On April 20 2012 00:28 CrazyIvanPL wrote:
I think it's all about letting ur drones to harves automatically while best players "loops" them to the closes once, so they get more mins/sec.
I doubt it, this makes a really miniscule difference to your economy. Remember that after you hit 16 workers, they're all automatically going to sort themselves into good spots. |
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| Thobrik Sweden. April 20 2012 03:31. Posts 907 | Profile # |
I wish the title was spelled correctly, because it has a legendary feel to it.
Anyway, as said, you should probably upload a replay to let others determine whether you've missed some detail or if Ret is indeed a magician. |
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| dangerjoe Denmark. April 20 2012 03:40. Posts 1822 | Profile Blog # |
Without a replay it is hard to say..
But I feel like it has something to do with your injects. If you inject perfectly you could probably spend all the minerals on drones and a couple of zerglings. Or maybe he has something expensive in production you are not noticing? |
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| bgx Poland. April 20 2012 03:52. Posts 6508 | Profile # |
| Only Ret can do it like Ret, Jaedong did it once they called it Ee Han timing |
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| Firlefanz Germany. April 20 2012 03:56. Posts 203 | Profile # |
| Actually, this seems to be a standard 4 Queen opening. As long as you do not get supplyblocked, there should be no problem? Last edit: 2012-04-20 03:58:13 |
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| Gelenn United States. April 20 2012 04:13. Posts 82 | Profile # |
| overlords and injects. I find that I'm mineral starved in the early game... unless I miss one inject or overlord. Then your minerals get out of control really quickly, and its hard to get them down until the midgame. Just my 2cents |
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| Bommes Germany. April 20 2012 04:32. Posts 941 | Profile # |
| I don't know how your unit counts looks with this 48 supply, but you should also be careful that you don't have more than 16 drones on one base minerals for optimal harvesting. Having 17-24 drones on the minerals gives a little bit of extra minerals but compared to the minerals/minute that a drone gives on 16 workers/base it costs you quite a bit over time if you rally your workers wrong and don't manage your economy optimally. |
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| HighLach United States. April 20 2012 04:37. Posts 131 | Profile # |
The best way to practice macroing is by playing against an easy computer and just playing your build out. Don't skimp on units that you would be building to be "safe" in a real game. Just follow your build.
Focus on your main macro mechanics. Don't miss any injects, Don't get supply blocked. Always spend your larvae, and money as soon as possible.
Those three things will help you immensely. But then something will happen, in a real game, someone might be harassing you will hellions, or perhaps some early game reapers. Maybe the protoss sends out an early stalker and zealot. You need to practice controlling units while macroing.
Again, you can just practice that same way, but by always keeping your units on the move, by either always scouting for pylons, just running around in circles, or doing something else. This will help your multitasking a lot. |
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| pwncakery Canada. April 20 2012 06:57. Posts 131 | Profile # |
On April 19 2012 23:50 Sheppard83 wrote:hi guys, i watched the ret stream against cloud on 17th april. I saw the first game where ret builds 15 hatch, 16 Pool, then 2 Queens and after the 2 Queens he builds the next 2 queens. I tried pretty hard but i am not beeing able to have 300 minerals and a 48/52 supply (than he builds 3 gas). My minerals are always against 600 or 700. How its possible to do this. I ve made 10 custom games so far and i cant reach this mineral level. (and its not getting better after the 48/52 supply mark) Its the first game, starts after 4 minutes. http://www.twitch.tv/liquidret/b/315304585
Dunno. It's pretty straight forward, probably just practice a little more.
I open similarly, but take a gas faster: http://drop.sc/163733
For the purely mineral opening you're describing I also tried it out: http://drop.sc/163734
Comparing my run with how he did it in the vod he got ovies at slightly different food counts, and I built an extra pair of lings. Otherwise it's identicle, gas taken at the same food/time. I guess I had the advantage in that I wasn't trying to carry on a conversation at the same time :D I play with like 50-55 apm, so there's no reason you can't get this opening right with a little more practice. Keep at it and you'll get it! |
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| RaiZ France. April 20 2012 07:50. Posts 2504 | Profile Blog # |
On April 20 2012 04:32 Bommes wrote:
I don't know how your unit counts looks with this 48 supply, but you should also be careful that you don't have more than 16 drones on one base minerals for optimal harvesting. Having 17-24 drones on the minerals gives a little bit of extra minerals but compared to the minerals/minute that a drone gives on 16 workers/base it costs you quite a bit over time if you rally your workers wrong and don't manage your economy optimally.
I'm not sure he's talking about how to properly place the drones or maynarding them... But to have less than 300 minerals when he has 48+ supply...
Edit : To answer, there's simply 2 things : inject and overlord. Basically I can suggest you to read this post if you want to improve ur macro : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320038
Look especially the benchmark. Even though it's not the same build order, the main thing is the same : constant inject, macro and not a single supply block.Last edit: 2012-04-20 08:12:36 |
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| DoctorFunk April 20 2012 09:44. Posts 160 | Profile # |
| Everyone knows that Rets drones are op. I think blizz is nerfing them soon, so just wait a couple patches and check again. |
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