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| Applemiester May 28 2012 00:03. Posts 9 | Profile # |
| Thanks filter for the Zerg guide, been a great help. Look forward to the rest! |
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| Angel_ United States. May 28 2012 00:03. Posts 1615 | Profile Blog # |
On May 27 2012 04:35 Frolossus wrote:
zerg bronze benchmarks feel quite difficult relative to the terran ones
managing all those injects + drones for 8 minutes straight then keeping the injecting going as you take gas + tech up to roaches and mass roaches till the upgrades complete is a little harder than building scvs + rax + depots + marines for 13 mins
It's different for different people, I guess. I think zerg macro is much easier. The moving out and adding production and managing to get your whole production cycle off while trying to kite with units used to be a terrible mess for me, and still is a bit blergurgle at times. |
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| XxVenem94xX United States. May 28 2012 00:53. Posts 41 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 00:03 Angel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 04:35 Frolossus wrote:
zerg bronze benchmarks feel quite difficult relative to the terran ones
managing all those injects + drones for 8 minutes straight then keeping the injecting going as you take gas + tech up to roaches and mass roaches till the upgrades complete is a little harder than building scvs + rax + depots + marines for 13 mins
It's different for different people, I guess. I think zerg macro is much easier. The moving out and adding production and managing to get your whole production cycle off while trying to kite with units used to be a terrible mess for me, and still is a bit blergurgle at times.
Definitely this. I found the zerg mechanics to actually be much easier, and I'm not entirely sure why, but I've progressed so far with terran I'm really debating whether I should switch to zerg... I'm wining a lot with terran, even if I'm not having as much fun as when I play zerg... but I think winning is fun! :O, although I Guess once I get my zerg mechanics down I'll be winning just as much... Such a hard decision! lol. |
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| Frolossus United States. May 28 2012 01:43. Posts 1095 | Profile # |
specifically right around the 6-8 minute window i'm finding it extremely difficult to hit every inject as you get all your gas and tech to roaches, lair + roach upgrades
also, what time should roach speed finish by?Last edit: 2012-05-28 01:58:00 |
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| Snoodles May 28 2012 07:51. Posts 392 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 04:35 Frolossus wrote:
zerg bronze benchmarks feel quite difficult relative to the terran ones
managing all those injects + drones for 8 minutes straight then keeping the injecting going as you take gas + tech up to roaches and mass roaches till the upgrades complete is a little harder than building scvs + rax + depots + marines for 13 mins
Ehh.. I disagree because you don't have to micro your units as intensely. Also, once your done droning you just pretty much inject and make fighting units that you dont have to micro so much. |
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| Filter Canada. May 28 2012 16:42. Posts 590 | Profile Blog # |
Ended up playing way too much Diablo during the first week it was out, then proceeded to get sick because of it. I'll be back at the Zerg series hard tomorrow, I also recorded some things for a coaching series which should be pretty cool. I have one other thing to announce on monday, but I'm really looking forward to it.
The problem I have, and the best thing for my starcraft is I don't have any limitation for something. It's all in or nothing, luckily in it's current state D3 couldn't hold my attention. (still a great game, but I just love starcraft way way more.)
Edit: Startale Ace really seemed to bring the full potential of warp prisms into play, if other players can pickup on that... wow.Last edit: 2012-05-28 16:47:22 |
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| weelibin Qatar. May 28 2012 16:50. Posts 9 | Profile # |
| Wow thanks hopefully ill be on my way to macro beast mode! Gotta have moar probes to beat dopes! |
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| Jojo131 Philippines. May 28 2012 18:04. Posts 1309 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 16:42 Filter wrote:
Ended up playing way too much Diablo during the first week it was out, then proceeded to get sick because of it. I'll be back at the Zerg series hard tomorrow, I also recorded some things for a coaching series which should be pretty cool. I have one other thing to announce on monday, but I'm really looking forward to it.
The problem I have, and the best thing for my starcraft is I don't have any limitation for something. It's all in or nothing, luckily in it's current state D3 couldn't hold my attention. (still a great game, but I just love starcraft way way more.)
Edit: Startale Ace really seemed to bring the full potential of warp prisms into play, if other players can pickup on that... wow.
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| MaryJoana Germany. May 28 2012 18:21. Posts 132 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 16:42 Filter wrote:
Ended up playing way too much Diablo during the first week it was out, then proceeded to get sick because of it. I'll be back at the Zerg series hard tomorrow, I also recorded some things for a coaching series which should be pretty cool. I have one other thing to announce on monday, but I'm really looking forward to it.
The problem I have, and the best thing for my starcraft is I don't have any limitation for something. It's all in or nothing, luckily in it's current state D3 couldn't hold my attention. (still a great game, but I just love starcraft way way more.)
Edit: Startale Ace really seemed to bring the full potential of warp prisms into play, if other players can pickup on that... wow.
Can't wait. |
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| Snoodles May 29 2012 04:32. Posts 392 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 16:42 Filter wrote:
Ended up playing way too much Diablo during the first week it was out, then proceeded to get sick because of it. I'll be back at the Zerg series hard tomorrow, I also recorded some things for a coaching series which should be pretty cool. I have one other thing to announce on monday, but I'm really looking forward to it.
The problem I have, and the best thing for my starcraft is I don't have any limitation for something. It's all in or nothing, luckily in it's current state D3 couldn't hold my attention. (still a great game, but I just love starcraft way way more.)
Edit: Startale Ace really seemed to bring the full potential of warp prisms into play, if other players can pickup on that... wow.
Happy Monday! We look forward to your announcement. |
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| gavinashun May 30 2012 03:39. Posts 101 | Profile # |
Hi Filter,
Love the videos.
Quick question. For someone wanting to start the game with the pure bio, as per the standard build in your videos, but then go into a mid and late game of marine/tank/medivac against vZ and vT, how would you recommend adapting the build?
What I've been doing which seems pretty good is:
* Standard build up to factory ... then, the deviations would be:
* After factory --> tech lab on factory, and keep starport naked --> start making tanks and single medivacs ... prioritize tank production (never miss a tank)
* Somewhere around 9 min, convert to reactor starport
* After taking 3rd, instead of 4 rax, instead make 2 rax and 2 factory ... and instantly take 2 gas at 3rd
@13-14 minutes, instead of 9 rax, 1 reactor starport it would be 7 rax, 3 factory, 1 reactor starport (on 6 geysers) ... other than that, your standard build, so shooting for 2-1 at ~14 minutes etc.
Tried to mix in a 2nd factory earlier, but I don't think you have the gas if you are sticking to the other parts of the build (i.e. all the upgrades).
Would something like this approach work as a mid and late game marine/tank variation on the base build?
Last edit: 2012-05-30 03:42:25 |
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| Flayer. Turkey. May 30 2012 04:00. Posts 31 | Profile # |
Hello guys,
(Hey Filter, I've already thanked you for your videos through PM but I also want to thank you here.)
I am a diamond level terran (a bad diamond tho, you can call me platinum) and I managed to hit every benchmark except getting to 200/200 @ 14:00. My record is 14:30 against computer, but I will keep trying.
IMPORTANT: To all non-master league readers here like me:
I can't emphasize how much difference it has made, thinking and aiming for a "certain benchmark" instead of thinking "I need to make workers non-stop (because I want to do macro and I need a good economy to do things etc. etc."
Back then, when I tried to build workers non-stop just by thinking about it, even after a small harass I could forget what I was doing, but Filter's approach changed my view on the game entirely. I just don't miss any workers no matter what, because I am always saying "I need to hit X benchmark no matter what", the difference is amazing.
I really suggest this benchmark method, not only for your build orders or gameplay but also for your mental constitution.
Last edit: 2012-05-30 04:01:29 |
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| gavinashun May 30 2012 07:14. Posts 101 | Profile # |
Yeah I would say that 200/200 by 14min, with getting all the upgrades and 2-1 finished @ 14min, is darn near impossible (unless someone posts a replay proving otherwise!)
I think 14:15-14:30 is probably the fastest ... again assuming 2-1 finished @ 14 (and combat shield, conc shell, etc.).
I've also managed 14:30'ish, and feel I was going almost perfectly - hit every other benchmark, never was supply blocked, money was incredibly low the whole time, was dropping all mules, etc. Really seems like 14 min would be almost impossible.
Last edit: 2012-05-30 08:06:57 |
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| Seiferz United States. May 30 2012 10:20. Posts 624 | Profile # |
These videos are brilliant.
I was pretty experienced with Zerg and Protoss (Diamond - Mastersish), but after taking a few months off and starting again with Terran these videos really saved me. You never really know how bad you are at macroing until you try to consistently hit those benchmarks. |
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| docvoc United States. May 30 2012 14:06. Posts 3462 | Profile Blog # |
| Hey guys I haven't won a game yet using this guide, I do everything filter says, I have 100 food or pretty close, like 98 food every game at the right time and I keep losing. I out macro them then but they have so many defenses that I just lose, I can't do anything right it seems, I switched from toss to terran to do his terran series and I just keep losing. This sucks, this guide brought me back from quiting and just playing LoL because I am ok at that game and I just keep losing. Its getting incredibly frustrating as I just can't seem to get it together, does anyone have any advice? Its getting ridiculous, I'm getting bane busted, I'm getting destroyed even with all the benchmarks, I can't provide a replay right now but I can in the future. |
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| Gawain May 30 2012 14:20. Posts 11 | Profile # |
If you lose while hitting all of his benchmarks, then you're probably miscontrolling your army (since you should have more units than your opponent to begin with). Do not confuse this with micro. This can be from something as simple as right clicking rather than a-moving, or engaging in poor locations.
However, you will not receive good advice until you're able to post a replay. Last edit: 2012-05-30 14:20:52 |
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| MaryJoana Germany. May 30 2012 17:56. Posts 132 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 14:06 docvoc wrote:
Hey guys I haven't won a game yet using this guide, I do everything filter says, I have 100 food or pretty close, like 98 food every game at the right time and I keep losing. I out macro them then but they have so many defenses that I just lose, I can't do anything right it seems, I switched from toss to terran to do his terran series and I just keep losing. This sucks, this guide brought me back from quiting and just playing LoL because I am ok at that game and I just keep losing. Its getting incredibly frustrating as I just can't seem to get it together, does anyone have any advice? Its getting ridiculous, I'm getting bane busted, I'm getting destroyed even with all the benchmarks, I can't provide a replay right now but I can in the future.
Post replays, then we can tell how well you hit the benchmarks or if it's just some other unfortunate factor. |
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| BurningRanger Germany. May 30 2012 18:09. Posts 141 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 14:06 docvoc wrote:
Hey guys I haven't won a game yet using this guide, I do everything filter says, I have 100 food or pretty close, like 98 food every game at the right time and I keep losing. I out macro them then but they have so many defenses that I just lose, I can't do anything right it seems, I switched from toss to terran to do his terran series and I just keep losing. This sucks, this guide brought me back from quiting and just playing LoL because I am ok at that game and I just keep losing. Its getting incredibly frustrating as I just can't seem to get it together, does anyone have any advice? Its getting ridiculous, I'm getting bane busted, I'm getting destroyed even with all the benchmarks, I can't provide a replay right now but I can in the future.
Also please state what league you're in and what benchmarks you're on. E.g. doing the Bronze video stuff by just pumping out marines is probably getting crushed by AoE units in higher leagues. |
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| Disarmed Austria. May 30 2012 19:27. Posts 221 | Profile # |
Dude....i watched only the bronze one , and even there only the first three games,....i got on ladder, TvT, sticked EXACTLY to your words....nat at 3:50is and 41 Scvs when moving out. He had tanks and medivacs and vikings and stim but just outmacroed his ass...34 min game and i only made scvs and marines (later on a buncha medivacs too) and i won vs siege tanks and blue flame hellions, thanks to YOU.
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| Targe United Kingdom. May 30 2012 20:41. Posts 1713 | Profile Blog # |
| Seriously thank you Filter, I have been solely practicing this when I have free time from exams and my macro has improved a bunchload; Ive gone from about 30 SCVs at 10:00 to 47-48, without this I would probably have never improved macro properly. No one ever states how to improve, they just tell you it needs improving, great job! |
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