| SKDN Sweden. April 25 2012 04:56. Posts 241 | Profile # |
| when broodwar pros move over to sc2 its like when columbus colonized over to America, in other words we are doomed! |
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| andrewlt United States. April 25 2012 05:43. Posts 3112 | Profile # |
On April 25 2012 02:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 00:47 andrewlt wrote:
I doubt there will be the separation that we see in BW. SC2 was designed from the ground up so that build orders and unit composition matters way more than they do in BW. There's still a distinction between foreigners and Koreans but I doubt there will be the separation between S-class and A-class or within A-class that we see in BW.
...This is pretty uninformed.
Really? Flash made his run abusing 1-rax cc against anything and everything. The recently concluded SKT vs KT finals featured multiple games where the winner had an inferior build order. |
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| Torpedo.Vegas United States. April 25 2012 06:47. Posts 1842 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2012 05:43 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On April 25 2012 00:47 andrewlt wrote:
I doubt there will be the separation that we see in BW. SC2 was designed from the ground up so that build orders and unit composition matters way more than they do in BW. There's still a distinction between foreigners and Koreans but I doubt there will be the separation between S-class and A-class or within A-class that we see in BW.
...This is pretty uninformed.
Really? Flash made his run abusing 1-rax cc against anything and everything. The recently concluded SKT vs KT finals featured multiple games where the winner had an inferior build order.
It been said a million times and often gets shot down, but I would say in time SC2 will come down to similar needs as BW. The way its designed causes engagement to end faster, but when there are enough players with pretty flawless build execution, it will force players to be able to survive even with less that optimal build or unit choices. Players won't gg once they scout a build that work well against their general route.
I think the scene and standard of play has grown exponentially on global scale from launch, in great part due to BW lessons and training methods developed and carried over to SC2. But I really don't think we hit a ceiling yet. Perhaps the growth is slowing down such that more minor advancements are distinguishing players from one another, but thats much like BW no? At launch it was a game based on miles, then feet, inches, etc. Thats what interests me.
I was not fortunate enough to be there to see the competitive BW scene evolve into its current nuances, so I do enjoy seeing SC2 grow. Although comparatively it might seem like fast forwarding since SC2 scene has the benefit of dodging pitfalls that BW had to learn the hard way. |
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| puppykiller United States. April 25 2012 09:22. Posts 1953 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2012 05:43 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On April 25 2012 00:47 andrewlt wrote:
I doubt there will be the separation that we see in BW. SC2 was designed from the ground up so that build orders and unit composition matters way more than they do in BW. There's still a distinction between foreigners and Koreans but I doubt there will be the separation between S-class and A-class or within A-class that we see in BW.
...This is pretty uninformed.
Really? Flash made his run abusing 1-rax cc against anything and everything. The recently concluded SKT vs KT finals featured multiple games where the winner had an inferior build order.
Well you should remember that there is a huge difference between an opening and a build. And actually Flash changes up his style vastly game to game (especially in TvZ, and TvT... TvP by nature allows less viable options from Terrans).
I agree though that Flash isn't a guaranteed bonjwa. The lack of control in sc2 compared to BW allows players to reap a lot of success by committing to stupid risky blind strategies. If anything we might just have a ton of people who are all around the same level and all win around the same amount, which I would love since it would either kill sc2 or force the developers to make it a better game. |
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| ppshchik United States. April 25 2012 15:01. Posts 735 | Profile # |
On April 25 2012 04:56 SKDN wrote:
when broodwar pros move over to sc2 its like when columbus colonized over to America, in other words we are doomed!
Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this:
Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's.
Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's.
Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate.Last edit: 2012-04-25 15:04:28 |
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| LuckyMacro United States. April 25 2012 15:07. Posts 1353 | Profile # |
On April 25 2012 15:01 ppshchik wrote:
Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this:
Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's.
Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's.
Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate.
Nah nah. I think more the same old same old will happen.
Bisu mistakens GSL for an OSL and loses in qualifiers to  miso
Flash stims 5 times in 1 second, loses control group of marines to 1 baneling.
Jaedong wonders why he has so few units, only to end up discovering 50 supply worth of ultras and infestors stuck at his main choke. |
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 Kiett United States. April 25 2012 15:10. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2012 15:01 ppshchik wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 04:56 SKDN wrote:
when broodwar pros move over to sc2 its like when columbus colonized over to America, in other words we are doomed!
Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this: Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's. Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's. Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate.
...Yes. Flash is that stupid. He's gotten all the way to Masters without ever realizing that Protoss has warpgates.
At least be creative about it -_- |
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| Dattish Sweden. April 25 2012 15:12. Posts 2731 | Profile # |
On April 25 2012 15:10 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 15:01 ppshchik wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:56 SKDN wrote:
when broodwar pros move over to sc2 its like when columbus colonized over to America, in other words we are doomed!
Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this: Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's. Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's. Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate.
...Yes. Flash is that stupid. He's gotten all the way to Masters without ever realizing that Protoss has warpgates. At least be creative about it -_-
Flash vs Incontrol: Incontrol builds something other than collosi. Flash doesn't recognize what that big flying unit that shoots out smaller units is and loses. |
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| NMxhendralisk Zimbabwe. April 25 2012 15:24. Posts 671 | Profile # |
| Wow this would be pretty cool to see imo |
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| sluggaslamoo Australia. April 25 2012 15:37. Posts 3474 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2012 15:07 LuckyMacro wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 15:01 ppshchik wrote:
Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this:
Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's.
Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's.
Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate.
Nah nah. I think more the same old same old will happen. Bisu mistakens GSL for an OSL and loses in qualifiers to misoFlash stims 5 times in 1 second, loses control group of marines to 1 baneling. Jaedong wonders why he has so few units, only to end up discovering 50 supply worth of ultras and infestors stuck at his main choke.
I lol'd
You forgot to add, "and Jaedong still wins anyway".Last edit: 2012-04-25 15:38:05 |
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| tyCe Australia. April 25 2012 15:41. Posts 2212 | Profile # |
Guys when you make jokes about how BW pros can't adjust to SC2, you can't use iNcontroL in the example as the person who randomly beats TLBS.
That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG.
Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months. |
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| Le French France. April 25 2012 16:00. Posts 782 | Profile # | |
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| Jenia6109 Russian Federation. April 25 2012 16:25. Posts 1040 | Profile Blog # |
It's rather weird if  Bisu will play terran. I'm Bisu fan and also Protoss fan. How will i root for him when he plays a race that i usually want to lose? :-\ |
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| cLicK Canada. April 25 2012 16:30. Posts 448 | Profile # |
If  Bisu switches to terran, just make Shine switch to protoss ;D
The balance of starleague shall be restored once again. |
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 Boonbag France. April 25 2012 16:37. Posts 2135 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2012 15:41 tyCe wrote:
Guys when you make jokes about how BW pros can't adjust to SC2, you can't use iNcontroL in the example as the person who randomly beats TLBS.
That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG.
Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months.
Incontrol actually won a game online against jaedong in ZvZ.
Replay was on site at some point. |
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| sluggaslamoo Australia. April 25 2012 16:55. Posts 3474 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2012 16:30 cLicK wrote:If Bisu switches to terran, just make Shine switch to protoss ;D The balance of starleague shall be restored once again.
It makes me kind of wish Kwanro played SC2 so Blizzard would nerf banelings. |
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| Aunvilgod April 25 2012 17:06. Posts 2031 | Profile # |
On April 25 2012 15:41 tyCe wrote:
Guys when you make jokes about how BW pros can't adjust to SC2, you can't use iNcontroL in the example as the person who randomly beats TLBS.
That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG.
Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months.
The coaches themselves said that BW skill does not necessarily translate to SCII skill. Who knows how good Bisu, Flash and Jaedong will be? With their work-ethic they should get far but who knows how they can handle 3D. |
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| Autotroph United Kingdom. April 25 2012 18:51. Posts 289 | Profile # |
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2. Time to say goodbye. 
If you're a real fan you support your heroes through everything. If you're a real fan you want to show them you're still there even though their world is getting broken down and put back together in another quise. If you're a real fan you would understand that it will be so much harder for them to switch than it will be for you.Last edit: 2012-04-25 18:54:00 |
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| kamikami France. April 25 2012 20:35. Posts 1057 | Profile # |
On April 25 2012 16:25 Jenia6109 wrote:It's rather weird if Bisu will play terran. I'm Bisu fan and also Protoss fan. How will i root for him when he plays a race that i usually want to lose? :-\
Lol we have the same problem here. Yesterday I went on Liquidpedia trying to read some SC2 Terran BO, but the anti-terran mind of me is just too strong that I started to hate myself so I stopped. Bisu, why.... |
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| NexCa Germany. April 25 2012 20:41. Posts 841 | Profile # |
| please .... Please.... PLEASE STAY ON PROTOSS BISU !!! |
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