On May 06 2012 05:21 BlackRaven wrote: Sloosh, thoughts on jdub?
:3
He spends some time with blubbdavid incident, concludes that what he did (asking powerrole) is scummy but then moves onto Grush, fosing him for "obvious reasons". Clearly pushing along BM wagon, with reasons like
On May 05 2012 06:00 johnnywup wrote: not really, we're lynching for being anti-town regardless of allignment, anyone who voted to lynch him shouldn't get any credibility.
Still feel that way about credibility? Because that shoots yours out the window as well.
:3
And the question asked to sloosh.
Other then that BR wanted to lynch Layabout and Blubbdavid.
I'm not basing my own read on this as its pure wifom. But I'll keep it in the back of my mind and so should you.
//Dirk
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Blazinghand United States. May 06 2012 19:37. Posts 12202
Cause, like, most people who interact with me come away with one of three conclusions A) Blazinghand is sexy B) Blazinghand is brilliant C) Blazinghand is smooth like buttah
Of course, there's some overlap between these. Some people, like Bluelightz, mostly focus on the "sexy" aspect of me (oh how he focussed!) but he was also attracted to my smooth suaveness. Really, I'm a multifaceted guy. I seem to recall VE was more interested in my stirring intellect-- it "stirred" certain parts of VE if you know what I mean (his brain). So when you call me brilliant I gladly accept your compliments.
Regarding layabout:
1) he explicitly argues against policy lynches, then votes for BM and explicitly states that it is a policy lynch. 2) he hard-defends katina's play, then when she flips scum, claims he didn't 3) BM flips town 4) he states "we should kill Palmar tomorrow" and I shoot Palmar, who flips town.
In summary. layabout has attacked town and defended scum all game. Furthermore, aside from his policy case against BM, he hasn't actually done ANY analysis or made ANY real cases.
In fact...
In fact, let's take a look at this:
On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote: we should kill Palmar tomorrow
What the dicks is this? Well, it's an unsupported attack on Palmar. Where's his explanation?
Well, it's 9 hours later, AFTER daybreak:
On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff".
This is actually the reason I shot Palmar-- he wasn't acting like the typical active town Palmar. But why doesn't layabout write this right away? It seems to me that a TOWN layabout would try to explain himself before daybreak... after all, he'd be worried about being shot, right?
See, this is what happened: layabout wanted to set up for a Palmar push D2. Palmar was acting weird for a town Palmar, and Layabout wanted to capitalize that by getting him lynched D2 based on Meta. This is scummy. In fact, this is scummy enough that we should lynch layabout.
If you think about it, the modkill of Katina and me shooting Palmar were BOTH things that layabout couldn't have predicted. He was planning, and his plans were disrupted, laying bare his scumminess.
I'll get a reload from the town engineer who hopefully picked ammo and I'll shoot Ghost tonight. for now. I'll
##unvote ##vote layabout
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
As an aside, Ghost, don't think you're in the clear. I'd love the opportunity to go potty all over your filter, but it's only 2 posts so far. Post more!
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blubbdavid Switzerland. May 06 2012 19:50. Posts 2241
I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour
On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote: I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy.
It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled.
Now to the harder part:
On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: Can't stay it's real late.
But:
How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence?
Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence? Why did layabout react to 2 votes on layabout when grush was in the lead with 5 votes with hours left and 13-ish players were yet to vote?
@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff".
(btw don't talk about you in 3rd person, it is confusing) Why did layabout want to policy lynch BM, when there was an easy victim to gang up? Will think about it during lunch.
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Blazinghand United States. May 06 2012 19:51. Posts 12202
Yeah, but there was already a wagon on grush back then. So why did he not jump on that one? Because they are both scumbuddies? unlikely, grush looks fairly town. There was no reason for layabout NOT to jump on the grush lynchwagon. and yet... that's why I want to have a satisfying answer of him.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God
SomethingAwesome Kiribati. May 06 2012 21:30. Posts 58
Since no one is talking I'm going to dish out homework:
Ghost_403: Make a case on kenpachi. What do you think about him so far? What do you make of his Marv, NT and layabout scum team?
Kenpachi: Still think the 3 mentioned above are scum? If yes why?
Eiii: What do you think about I10f's few posts? That he havent said anything original at all? Do you think he have said anything original? (and whats your read on Mementoss now?)
I10f: What your read on Eiii? What do you think about him not wanting to discuss anything during the night?
Everyone: Who is the best lynch between Blubbdavid or papapanda?
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blubbdavid Switzerland. May 07 2012 00:06. Posts 2241
Yes I think Layabout is scum. And no I don't think layabout is scum. This hydra is not in unison on that subject. Personally (Dirk here) I would lynch layabout seven ways from sunday. Lately though I'm feeling I'm balking up the wrong tree. Reason for that being you, blubb. And I'll tell you why.
When I read some of your posts it seems like you know peoples allignment. Which is also why you are looking for evidence and questioning layabouts scum thoughts... You are leaving yourself a way out if he flips town.. which if you are scum you know he will. Your vote on layabout doesn't feel heartfelt. Its more the case of "Oh shit everyone else is voting him".
Panda is just another nullread for me...
Now answer my question...
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ghost_403 United States. May 07 2012 00:22. Posts 1753
Pretty close though. Linear algebra (the real stuff, not that stupid matrix multiplication stuff they teach you in grade school) is the most amazing and difficult subject I've ever studied. It's kicking my ass at the moment.
Catching up on the thread, brb.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
k, grush: I had a strong scumread on him, till the end of d1, where sinani and katina flipped red. Point is, grush had a "read" on both of these players
On May 05 2012 07:32 grush57 wrote: THATS RIGHT I RANDOM VOTED KATINA AND I PUT UP SINA206 FOR QUESITONING.
It is not much, I admit, but still I lean towards him being a bad townie.
If panda is a nullread, and you aks who the better candidate between him and me is, does that mean I am also a nullread?
And I'd like to know why you decided it was a good idea to lynch BM.
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blubbdavid Switzerland. May 07 2012 00:43. Posts 2241
It was never a good idea to lynch BM. But it was also never a bad idea. Like I wrote during D1 I was indifferent whether BM died or not. So I consolidated and we lynched him. Who else was there? NT? Grush? No one was supporting my layabout lynch, not even my other head.
You are not a nullread to me. I just have to figure out whether you are town or scum... (Don't worry.. It makes sense)
Ghost: Looking forward to your input. Make it a good one, pretty please?
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ghost_403 United States. May 07 2012 01:08. Posts 1753
@BH: My cat was probably not on fire. If he was, I wouldn't know. Gave him to my old roommate, and he moved to California. Hope the cat's okay. I'd better check. That said, you were completely right, being gone like this is against my meta, and I wouldn't blame you for shooting me tonight.
I hope to convince you otherwise by actually being useful to the town. I'll make you a deal: I'll help you find the three scum in the game, then you can shoot me. Sound good?
@somethingawesome: It's very strange that you ask me to make a case on Kenpachi. He's been flying under the radar for quite some time now, why did you bring it up out of the blue?
To actually answer your question, this post is the only post of his I've read in this game that doesn't sound 100% kenpachi. I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet. That's not enough for me to think he's scum, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on him for a while.
As far as the marv, layabout, NT scum team? Marv probably rolled scum. In my notes on him, I have that the first thing he did this game was push a BM policy lynch. As much as I dislike paying with BM (sorry bro), I despise policy lynching insane players. See any game I've been in. Pushing a policy lynch on someone like him is an excuse not to scum hunt, and he goes on my naughty list. In addition to that, he pushed a case on l10f based on two posts. Seriously? He's not here, that doesn't make him scum.
Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play.
Nova_Tera reacted rather poorly to kenpachi's case against him, which struck me as scummy. Not enough to lynch him quite yet, but eough that I would keep my eye on him.
Of the three, I would most like to lynch Marv.
Gold star to JDub for being the first person to call me out for not posting here in two or three days.
Another person I find scummy is grush, who claimed that he called out Katina and Sinani for being scum during day 1. Postmortem bus? Wut?
Also, fuck you, Panera Bread. I want more than 30 minutes of internet during my lunch. + Show Spoiler +
Turkey sandwich and french onion soup today, very tasty.
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SomethingAwesome Kiribati. May 07 2012 01:23. Posts 58
On May 07 2012 01:08 ghost_403 wrote: Alright! All caught up.
@BH: My cat was probably not on fire. If he was, I wouldn't know. Gave him to my old roommate, and he moved to California. Hope the cat's okay. I'd better check. That said, you were completely right, being gone like this is against my meta, and I wouldn't blame you for shooting me tonight.
I hope to convince you otherwise by actually being useful to the town. I'll make you a deal: I'll help you find the three scum in the game, then you can shoot me. Sound good?
@somethingawesome: It's very strange that you ask me to make a case on Kenpachi. He's been flying under the radar for quite some time now, why did you bring it up out of the blue?
To actually answer your question, this post is the only post of his I've read in this game that doesn't sound 100% kenpachi. I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet. That's not enough for me to think he's scum, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on him for a while.
As far as the marv, layabout, NT scum team? Marv probably rolled scum. In my notes on him, I have that the first thing he did this game was push a BM policy lynch. As much as I dislike paying with BM (sorry bro), I despise policy lynching insane players. See any game I've been in. Pushing a policy lynch on someone like him is an excuse not to scum hunt, and he goes on my naughty list. In addition to that, he pushed a case on l10f based on two posts. Seriously? He's not here, that doesn't make him scum.
Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play.
Nova_Tera reacted rather poorly to kenpachi's case against him, which struck me as scummy. Not enough to lynch him quite yet, but eough that I would keep my eye on him.
Of the three, I would most like to lynch Marv.
Gold star to JDub for being the first person to call me out for not posting here in two or three days.
Another person I find scummy is grush, who claimed that he called out Katina and Sinani for being scum during day 1. Postmortem bus? Wut?
Also, fuck you, Panera Bread. I want more than 30 minutes of internet during my lunch. + Show Spoiler +
Turkey sandwich and french onion soup today, very tasty.
Woah... Stop...
You want to lynch marv because he is pro policy lynching (early D1), but you fail to mentioned layabouts super all-in policy lynch on BM late D1? I somewhat agree with you about the katina defence thingy but you condemn Marv for policy lynch but not lay?
I brought up kenpachi specificly because he isn't chiming in on the whole game we call mafia. (also why I asked you, Eiii and I10f)
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