What i see is a clear call from ref (chandler leans in+you can see him moving into lebron.) and lebron acting up with those hands, how can it be a flop if the whistle is blown....
justinpal United States. April 29 2012 06:38. Posts 3233
On April 29 2012 06:22 Disregard wrote: Tien why cant you accept the fact that psychology and momentum plays a huge part of that offense?
No what are you crazy? They have 33% shooting because they cannot make the ball in the basket as much as Miami. It's preposterous to think that anything then pure skill accounts for a team's ability to make shots. That's why home and away games don't matter at all!
Who said home and away games? Its about the continuity, how would you feel if you're constantly barred by fouls and dubious calls? Even though you laugh it off, its just not the same. And its not about everyone hating on the Heat.
On April 29 2012 06:22 Disregard wrote: Tien why cant you accept the fact that psychology and momentum plays a huge part of that offense?
No what are you crazy? They have 33% shooting because they cannot make the ball in the basket as much as Miami. It's preposterous to think that anything then pure skill accounts for a team's ability to make shots. That's why home and away games don't matter at all!
Poker is a game based on skill, and theres tiliting, what makes you think players can't tilt in basketball? Do you even play ball?
Sarcasm. I am of the opinion that the game was completely going well as both teams were allowed to flow. Starting with the call on A'mare's charge then the Lebron flops, finally a flagrant call is when the Knicks start to lose confidence and hope in general. I know that mentality is everything.
I made the comparison to home and away games, because that is in essence why shooting and basketball in general is not just whether you are good or not. (Edit: Again, obviously talent is a big part in it, but it's not everything). Refs interrupting the flow of a game can really shake up a team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant.
Who cares, if the Knicks take a single game off the Heat itll be a success. Remember kiddies, they didn't take a single game last year, and they had Chauncey "Im the biggest winner in the league" Billups.
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justinpal United States. April 29 2012 06:44. Posts 3233
On April 29 2012 06:36 Tien wrote: A lot of butt hurt in this thread without looking at the overral picture.
Sure the officiating sucks, but don't be concerned about it. What the Knicks need to be very concerned about is how they are being completely and totally annihilated on offense. They have zero offensive capabilities.
Tyson playing like crap, Melo can't even get the ball near the post, Amar'e disappearing. Blame the refs all you want, won't change how badly Knick's stars are playing.
I am a bit butthurt yes. I think you are right to a point. Discipline is an important aspect for a team. Dealing with shit refs and bad luck in general is important. But, it's not like Miami is being tested on their discipline when they are getting every single call and they are at home.
Just stop acting like bad officiating only gives the Heat a few extra baskets. It gives them a distinct advantage and causes the Knicks to make bad plays because they want to score 20 points in one possession.
Never make a hydralisk.
Bonzinator Slovenia. April 29 2012 06:44. Posts 856
On April 29 2012 06:42 Holcan wrote: Who cares, if the Knicks take a single game off the Heat itll be a success. Remember kiddies, they didn't take a single game last year, and they had Chauncey "Im the biggest winner in the league" Billups.
If you are talking about last years playoffs, he got hurt in game 1 against boston last year....
On April 29 2012 06:42 Holcan wrote: Who cares, if the Knicks take a single game off the Heat itll be a success. Remember kiddies, they didn't take a single game last year, and they had Chauncey "Im the biggest winner in the league" Billups.
If you are talking about last years playoffs, he got hurt in game 1 against boston last year....
They still didn't take a single post season game last year...against boston....what do you think their chances of beating an upgraded Heat team is? If this extreme blow out shows anything, its that NYK have almost no chance vs the heat, and if they take a game itll be a MSG miracle.
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roadrunner_sc United States. April 29 2012 06:52. Posts 1220
On April 29 2012 06:16 chaoser wrote: No one is saying the Knicks would win otherwise, all Knicks fan ask for is a chance, and they're not given that.
They never had a chance to begin with, just accept it.
LeBron flopping isn't the reason why you are shootin 33%. You don't blame refs on your horrible field goal % or your complete lack of offense.
So you're saying because they never had a chance, we don't need fair officiating! Nice one.
I don't know how you read that from what he said lol.
Um, because he completely ignores the officiating in this game?
Oh it's ok if you flop since the other team "never had a chance" anyways. In fact, let Lebron do whatever he wants, it's Heat's year anyways.
Again, you are reading too much into it imo, he never said the officiating was ok, he said that they were playing poorly regardless and that you shouldnt blame the refs for everything.
Agreed. At the same time, people are not complaining because Knicks are losing. They are complaining about the terrible officiating, that's all. Last time I checked, you can still treat whoever's playing and the officiating separately (apparently not the NBA, though).
To turn the argument into oh, well officiating is irrelevant because of how dominant one team is anyways, is ridiculous. If the Bobcats are playing the Heat, it's still not a green flag for referees calling every fish out of water flop. And I love how he jumps right into "you don't blame refs on your horrible field goal %" blah blah blah bullshit. Who the hell even brought up Knicks' shooting on the officiating, until him?
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Bonzinator Slovenia. April 29 2012 06:55. Posts 856
On April 29 2012 06:55 Bonzinator wrote: With this turnovers and bad shooting, they dont have a chance. But if you turnover the ball against the heat you are in trouble, everyone knows that.
So what you're saying, is that if Miami plays defense they can't lose? Because I agree.
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Roggay Switzerland. April 29 2012 06:58. Posts 4758
On April 29 2012 06:55 Bonzinator wrote: With this turnovers and bad shooting, they dont have a chance. But if you turnover the ball against the heat you are in trouble, everyone knows that.
So what you're saying, is that if Miami plays defense they can't lose? Because I agree.
Man i am just happy they are showing last years defense thats all They can loose,you saw it last year against Dallas. But the chances skyrocket for miami to win if thats the case.
Bonzinator Slovenia. April 29 2012 07:03. Posts 856
On April 29 2012 06:58 Roggay wrote: It still amazes me how many people are leaving the arena before the game is over, even if it is your own team winning. Would be unthinkable in europe.
Ye lol thats so true. In europe you dont see that at all. The miami crowd is one and only thing i hate there. And i dont care about those parking lot things and whatnot. Dont abandon your team like that. Cheering after the win is something priceless....
justinpal United States. April 29 2012 07:03. Posts 3233
On April 29 2012 06:55 Bonzinator wrote: With this turnovers and bad shooting, they dont have a chance. But if you turnover the ball against the heat you are in trouble, everyone knows that.
So what you're saying, is that if Miami plays defense they can't lose? Because I agree.
Man i am just happy they are showing last years defense thats all They can loose,you saw it last year against Dallas. But the chances skyrocket for miami to win if thats the case.
It'll help if the officials are on their side against the rest of the league too.
Never make a hydralisk.
roadrunner_sc United States. April 29 2012 07:04. Posts 1220
On April 29 2012 06:36 Tien wrote: A lot of butt hurt in this thread without looking at the overral picture.
Sure the officiating sucks, but don't be concerned about it. What the Knicks need to be very concerned about is how they are being completely and totally annihilated on offense. They have zero offensive capabilities.
Tyson playing like crap, Melo can't even get the ball near the post, Amar'e disappearing. Blame the refs all you want, won't change how badly Knick's stars are playing.
Butt hurt....lol
Ok man
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justinpal United States. April 29 2012 07:05. Posts 3233
On April 29 2012 06:39 seiferoth10 wrote: The whole thing is on youtube already:
Oh wow, look at the score there. Imagine if the refs didn't make a call like they shouldn't have. That's all I'm saying. The game would not have been a blowout.
Never make a hydralisk.
Kal_rA United States. April 29 2012 07:06. Posts 2442
On April 29 2012 06:58 Roggay wrote: It still amazes me how many people are leaving the arena before the game is over, even if it is your own team winning. Would be unthinkable in europe.
Hmm it's quite common in some football arenas in Europe, don't know about basketball.
klaxen United States. April 29 2012 07:09. Posts 360
On April 29 2012 06:39 seiferoth10 wrote: The whole thing is on youtube already:
Oh wow, look at the score there. Imagine if the refs didn't make a call like they shouldn't have. That's all I'm saying. The game would not have been a blowout.
Its preposterous to claim how the rest of the game would play out based on one simple call.
Also, if your team can't handle one bad call against them before they collapse, they aren't winners anyway.
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