| paschl Germany. April 30 2012 07:38. Posts 500 | Profile # |
There was a time when you could watch idra and see good games.
Nowadays this doesnt seem to be the case.
But i get it, idra has his place in the community.
Next to incontrol, people who arent mainly popular for unbelievable skills but more for their likeable/controversial personalities.
Im looking forward to see the idra/cruncher rivality come up again. |
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| Bagration United States. April 30 2012 07:58. Posts 10858 | Profile Blog # |
| Publicity is publicity, and now everyone is talking about Idra and EG. Now everyone is paying attention to the tournament and curious about what happened. |
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| tetrismaan Denmark. April 30 2012 08:10. Posts 300 | Profile # |
On April 30 2012 07:58 Bagration wrote:
Publicity is publicity, and now everyone is talking about Idra and EG. Now everyone is paying attention to the tournament and curious about what happened.
Exactly. I think all this crap was to put on a show to get more attention because EG isn't winning shit these days. |
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| ddinoboy United States. April 30 2012 08:11. Posts 6 | Profile # |
| or they would have done it anyways, just because? |
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| I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW April 30 2012 08:38. Posts 20 | Profile # |
dAPhREAk wrote:
you dont think the team managers are better qualified to determine what is best for the team than a random forum poster? i'm not sure i need to qualify that statement with anything more.
I already pointed out that this is a logical fallacy. I'm confused, are you trolling me?
Also, I must make a distinction: While contracting Idra might be "best for the team" (quotes because of the ambiguity of 'best'), it is detrimental to the scene as a whole due to the perpetual subpar quality of his games.
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I'm not saying that he shouldn't be allowed to play because he plays bad (compared to other professional players, of course), I'm saying that he shouldn't be allowed to play because his outward appearance is that of someone who is looking for the first possible excuse to surrender.
Over the years, Idra has displayed an aptitude for misreading the state of the games he's played, resulting in him leaving when he is ahead or slightly behind. This makes his continued premature ragequits even more puzzling to me, as most other people would probably think something along the lines of "I know I'm bad at calculating who's ahead, so I'll stick around until I can confirm with 100 % certainty that I lost the game".
Watching a game with Idra in it is like watching 50 % of another game featuring two professional players, the other 50 % being omitted because Idra would have left long before the game was decided. Before somebody replies to this specific paragraph, I'd like to point out that you don't need to be a progamer to open a replay and check the unit/income/production/etc. tabs, look around the map and to some degree ascertain the state of the game.
All that said, I wouldn't have anything against Idra if he just tried. He ought to, seeing as it's what he gets paid for. Being behind is not the same as having lost the game. |
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| RusHXceL United States. April 30 2012 09:01. Posts 985 | Profile # |
so this game is not for the fans.
I can't believe I watch this series. |
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| goofankle United States. April 30 2012 09:05. Posts 15 | Profile # |
| as much as I was looking forward to this, I'd say this was a let down. I certainly expected a lot more than a 4-0 by huk |
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| Chylo United States. April 30 2012 09:09. Posts 206 | Profile # |
| Haha, I thought this was a great series. I tuned in and got exactly what I expected. There's dozens of other streams if you want "serious" play. With Idra it's guaranteed entertainment. What could be more fun than trying to call out exactly when he's going to quit the game? Great series, didn't take all day, supremely entertaining and hilarious. Watching people play long drawn out games that have been over for 10 minutes and watching them say gg is boring. Watching rage quits all day, now that's worth watching. |
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| MrCash United States. April 30 2012 09:23. Posts 1498 | Profile # |
On April 30 2012 09:09 Chylo wrote:
Haha, I thought this was a great series. I tuned in and got exactly what I expected. There's dozens of other streams if you want "serious" play. With Idra it's guaranteed entertainment. What could be more fun than trying to call out exactly when he's going to quit the game? Great series, didn't take all day, supremely entertaining and hilarious. Watching people play long drawn out games that have been over for 10 minutes and watching them say gg is boring. Watching rage quits all day, now that's worth watching.
Personally I'm not even interested in PvZ, but if I saw a couple swear words go back and forth, it would have been worth it.
To me, Idra is almost like the bruiser at hockey games. It certainly would be nice if he could play really well, but as long as there some rowdy drama, good entertainment will be had.
Sadly, today we had to settle for a few rage quits.
Kudos to Huk for not holding back any punches.Last edit: 2012-04-30 09:23:36 |
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| Jaegeru United Kingdom. April 30 2012 09:54. Posts 651 | Profile # |
This was such a massive let down. Evil Geniuses really should do something about Idra and his attitude, Orb was fired for what he said yet this shit happens all the time with Idra and all he gets is a slap on the wrist.
He's obviously shown a lack of respect for his Organisations showmatch basically spitting in all of their sponsors faces and their fans, EG should really get rid of Idra and replace him with somebody that actually gives a shit and can actually produce some results by winning tournaments.
This kind of shit he does wouldn't be accepted in the Korean community so why should the foreign community accept it, just look at naniwa when he threw his match vs nestea in the blizzard cup.
edit for Grammar.Last edit: 2012-04-30 09:57:20 |
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| Monsen Germany. April 30 2012 09:55. Posts 1987 | Profile # |
| Don't kid yourselves, that "bm" was staged for entertainment purposes. |
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| JOJOsc2news April 30 2012 09:57. Posts 2999 | Profile Blog # |
On April 30 2012 07:58 Bagration wrote:
Publicity is publicity, and now everyone is talking about Idra and EG. Now everyone is paying attention to the tournament and curious about what happened.
Yep. -.- Also, even though HuK won this, I think IdrA might be a more evil genius.
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| BazookaBenji United States. April 30 2012 10:01. Posts 19 | Profile # |
I just want to point out one thing: HuK and Idra are Team mates. Idra didnt even GG most of the games...I think idra sets a bad example for the Esports community. We have all had our fair share of nerd rage and outbursts in our lives, but i think we all can agree that we should strive towards maturity and well..things like a GG. Also i want to point out Generally the LOOSER says "GG" First because the WINNER played a Good Game vs them. Idra won't even give congrats to his own team mates for playing well.......we have a name for people like that where im from it's two parts but i'll just say the first
"Punk" |
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| Vegetable Thins Canada. April 30 2012 10:20. Posts 5 | Profile # |
I thought IdrA showed he has actually greatly improved his PvZ play in game 2. I was excited to see another good, long game but he rolled the dice twice instead lol.
He should have been able to take game 3, but he didn't scout at all... Was a fun series to watch overall though, and has generated a lot of hype.
GG's
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| UBavarice Sweden. April 30 2012 10:48. Posts 357 | Profile # |
I don't get why people are so offended when IdrA doesn't give great games in showmatches. If you dislike his personality or his play, then simply don't watch the matches! And definitely don't go crying on the forums that you want him gone or w/e. Talking about him more is just going to establish his place in the community even more. So crying out that you want EG to release him certainly isn't going to do the trick.
If IdrA plays badly his actual fans will most likely get less and less interested, and with that he may "fade away", as some people like to put it. But if a shit storm ensues every time he "throws" a meaningless match like this one, he becomes even more indispensable for EG from a PR point of view.
So act like adults and just leave IdrA be if you don't appreciate his attitude/sportsmanship/professionalism.Last edit: 2012-04-30 10:51:39 |
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| Chewbacca. United States. April 30 2012 10:57. Posts 1451 | Profile # |
On April 30 2012 09:54 Jaegeru wrote:
This was such a massive let down. Evil Geniuses really should do something about Idra and his attitude, Orb was fired for what he said yet this shit happens all the time with Idra and all he gets is a slap on the wrist.
He's obviously shown a lack of respect for his Organisations showmatch basically spitting in all of their sponsors faces and their fans, EG should really get rid of Idra and replace him with somebody that actually gives a shit and can actually produce some results by winning tournaments.
This kind of shit he does wouldn't be accepted in the Korean community so why should the foreign community accept it, just look at naniwa when he threw his match vs nestea in the blizzard cup.
edit for Grammar.
So what...is the entire world supposed to model itself to act like how the Korean community acts...?
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| Skwid1g United States. April 30 2012 11:06. Posts 916 | Profile # |
On April 30 2012 10:01 BazookaBenji wrote:
I just want to point out one thing: HuK and Idra are Team mates. Idra didnt even GG most of the games...I think idra sets a bad example for the Esports community. We have all had our fair share of nerd rage and outbursts in our lives, but i think we all can agree that we should strive towards maturity and well..things like a GG. Also i want to point out Generally the LOOSER says "GG" First because the WINNER played a Good Game vs them. Idra won't even give congrats to his own team mates for playing well.......we have a name for people like that where im from it's two parts but i'll just say the first
"Punk"
It has nothing to do with nerd rage, at all. He has stated multiple times that he doesn't feel GG =/= good or bad mannered. I doubt Huk cared at all, nor did IdrA.
On April 30 2012 09:54 Jaegeru wrote:This kind of shit he does wouldn't be accepted in the Korean community so why should the foreign community accept it, just look at naniwa when he threw his match vs nestea in the blizzard cup. edit for Grammar.
...? Koreans have no problems with IdrA and he's been in Korea far longer than any other foreigner overall when you factor in the time he spent at eStro and CJ.Last edit: 2012-04-30 11:08:25 |
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| Stonedviper April 30 2012 11:19. Posts 43 | Profile # |
| It's my belief that everyone watches Idra for the same reason people watch Nascar, for the massive fireballs and explosions that happen every so often. |
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| Abort Retry Fail April 30 2012 11:20. Posts 2627 | Profile # |
| Cant believe I missed this. Any vods? |
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| NuKedUFirst Canada. April 30 2012 11:33. Posts 3138 | Profile Blog # |
On April 30 2012 11:20 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
Cant believe I missed this. Any vods?
I don't think you missed much.. t_t |
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