| Kilby Finland. April 27 2012 00:46. Posts 1068 | Profile # |
On April 26 2012 03:13 McFeser wrote:They can finally have their 10K match over there 
Yeah and imagine if that turns out to be the GSL final. |
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| Emix_Squall France. April 27 2012 00:58. Posts 644 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 00:46 Kilby wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 03:13 McFeser wrote:They can finally have their 10K match over there
Yeah and imagine if that turns out to be the GSL final.
50k match than ... coz they're not pussies !!! |
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| ReadySetFire Kuwait. April 27 2012 01:06. Posts 544 | Profile # |
On April 26 2012 22:10 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 20:55 g. wrote:
On April 26 2012 20:08 jaydee81 wrote:
It would be great if he accepted. For me personally GSL is not what it used to be. Now with Nani it's better of course, another foreigner would be great.
gsl is better than ever imo. The quality of play is amazing and production is better. Foreigners just dont cut it, they cant compete with the top koreans and I highly doubt stephano will get very far. Maybe if he stays in korea for a while and adjusts his playstyle to the korean meta then maybe he can do well, but atm i think theres little hope
TvZ specialist like alive
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| Kilby Finland. April 27 2012 01:15. Posts 1068 | Profile # |
On April 26 2012 03:40 Melix wrote:
The point of seeding foreigners into the GSL is that it compensates for an inherent disadvantage that all foreigners face -- that the tournament format forces you to be physically present in Korea for months at a time if you want to play a single game in Code S. This is not a burden on Koreans, but it is for foreigners. The seeds help to level the playing field, and it's great marketing for the GSL to boot.
This is also very relevant to the question of whether any foreigner is "deserving" of a Code S spot. Judged by results outside of Korea, someone like Stephano is a no brainer. But a lot of people think that they only way to prove oneself "worthy" of a Code S spot is to go through Code B and A, which is an unfair metric given that Koreans can take multiple runs at it with no additional cost or sacrifice to themselves, but a foreigner has to sacrifice a tremendous amount just to get ONE shot.
The folks running the GSL know what they are doing -- foreigner seeds are a great idea.
That is very well said. It is supposed to be the Global Starcraft League.
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| Sejanus Lithuania. April 27 2012 01:20. Posts 281 | Profile Blog # |
But a lot of people think that they only way to prove oneself "worthy" of a Code S spot is to go through Code B and A
Well, duh, those who go through it require no invitations because they already get into Code S |
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| mongmong Korea (South). April 27 2012 01:24. Posts 954 | Profile # |
LOL at people thinking Stephano can become a GSL champ.
I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4.
I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but
look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him.
Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day)
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 HaXXspetten Sweden. April 27 2012 01:29. Posts 15716 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 01:24 mongmong wrote:
LOL at people thinking Stephano can become a GSL champ.
I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4.
I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but
look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him.
Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day)
Well Nani is in the Ro8, and Stephano is better than NaNi, so who knows. (Still think it's veeeery unlikely though) |
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| mongmong Korea (South). April 27 2012 01:31. Posts 954 | Profile # |
And people need to stop hyping stephano with "He was rank 6th GM in korean ladder" BS.
Do you know what? ANY CODE B player who is on a professional starcraft team can make it if he wants to.
ever heard of NexLife? a 16 year old player who is consistenly placed in rank 1 GM???
well guess what, he never ever got to code s and only qualified for code a once, and got destroyed by
JYP. The thing is, progamers don really give shit about ladder, dont use ladder as a means of measuring a player's
skills, it doesnt measure anything |
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| Emix_Squall France. April 27 2012 01:35. Posts 644 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 01:24 mongmong wrote:
LOL at people thinking Stephano can become a GSL champ.
I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4.
I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but
look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him.
Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day)
So what, he lost a game? He also won some. It's not a matter of who he beat or who he lost to, it's a matter of how much can he consistently play at his best and how lucky he is with the groups. Let's say he gets a group like Oz, Parting, STC in RO32, he could totally crush that. Now put him against MMA, Nestea and MKP in RO16 and he might not win a single map. Guess what? That's luck !!! And when evaluating a player you don't base yourself on one game.
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| Benjamin99 April 27 2012 01:39. Posts 4174 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 01:24 mongmong wrote:
LOL at people thinking Stephano can become a GSL champ.
I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4.
I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but
look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him.
Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day)
Losing to MMA in his weakest matchup who are a TvZ specialist are nothing to be ashamed off. With you logic Leenock is a bad zerg also becuase he gets stompede by every protoss he face? Nahh im affriad you need to open you eye´s abit. No one got 80% win in all 3 matchup. As good as MMA are in TvZ as bad are he in TvP..
If Stephano can avoid the TvZ killers he will do really well.
And btw just a tip when you try to analyse a players skill lvl take the last 6months to get a clear picture then you would know Stephano´s strenght and weaknes. Taking 1 Match just make you look like a fool
Btw I can do the same as you if I wanted to analyse Bombers skill lvl. Look at Bomber he got absolutely outclassed by Stephano in IPL 4. Bomber are horrible. o.0. Herp derpLast edit: 2012-04-27 01:41:26 |
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| mongmong Korea (South). April 27 2012 01:47. Posts 954 | Profile # |
So what, he lost a game? He also won some. It's not a matter of who he beat or who he lost to, it's a matter of how much can he consistently play at his best and how lucky he is with the groups. Let's say he gets a group like Oz, Parting, STC in RO32, he could totally crush that. Now put him against MMA, Nestea and MKP in RO16 and he might not win a single map. Guess what? That's luck !!! And when evaluating a player you don't base yourself on one game.
Your argument is worthless.
LOL. did u even watch parting and oz play yesterday???????
i dunno if uve seen any gsl matches ,but GSL isnt about "playing a damn good macro game"
Its more about how u prepare against a certain player and improvise what strategies to use each round.
From what ive seen, stephano is always damn predictable: play a straight up macro game, and all the korean
players know this and will most likely take advantage of this by using a mix of all in and macro games. what im
saying is that he is very likely to get sniped. i agree that he is capable of beating STC, but oz and parting???
LOL
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| mongmong Korea (South). April 27 2012 01:51. Posts 954 | Profile # |
Losing to MMA in his weakest matchup who are a TvZ specialist are nothing to be ashamed off. With you logic Leenock is a bad zerg also becuase he gets stompede by every protoss he face? Nahh im affriad you need to open you eye´s abit. No one got 80% win in all 3 matchup. As good as MMA are in TvZ as bad are he in TvP..
If Stephano can avoid the TvZ killers he will do really well.
And btw just a tip when you try to analyse a players skill lvl take the last 6months to get a clear picture then you would know Stephano´s strenght and weaknes. Taking 1 Match just make you look like a fool
Btw I can do the same as you if I wanted to analyse Bombers skill lvl. Look at Bomber he got absolutely outclassed by Stephano in IPL 4. Bomber are horrible. o.0. Herp derp.
you stephano fanboys need to chill out, bomber isnt even at the same level as other code s players (except some like
inca who got damn lucky) and yes bomber has been showing some god-awful matches. beating bomber doesnt
make u a top tier player. Im 100% sure stephano doesnt make it out of ro32. Last edit: 2012-04-27 01:52:06 |
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| Lasbike France. April 27 2012 01:56. Posts 2834 | Profile # |
It's pretty funny cause people like you will probably say things like "stephano is awful at this game, he did not get past the RO32, see ?!".
You have to know that in gsl code S season, your dear loved MMA didn't make it out of ro32 too, you know, as well as DRG, Jjakji, and Nestea, 3 formers champions and still AWESOME players today. |
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| mongmong Korea (South). April 27 2012 02:04. Posts 954 | Profile # |
Im not mma fan, Im just implying that stephano is not a code s level player.
if i were to name the only foreigner worthy, it would be naniwa. unless stephano proves that he is
worthy of code s spot, I wouldn't rely on him too much |
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| Emix_Squall France. April 27 2012 02:07. Posts 644 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 01:47 mongmong wrote:So what, he lost a game? He also won some. It's not a matter of who he beat or who he lost to, it's a matter of how much can he consistently play at his best and how lucky he is with the groups. Let's say he gets a group like Oz, Parting, STC in RO32, he could totally crush that. Now put him against MMA, Nestea and MKP in RO16 and he might not win a single map. Guess what? That's luck !!! And when evaluating a player you don't base yourself on one game. Your argument is worthless. LOL. did u even watch parting and oz play yesterday??????? i dunno if uve seen any gsl matches ,but GSL isnt about "playing a damn good macro game" Its more about how u prepare against a certain player and improvise what strategies to use each round. From what ive seen, stephano is always damn predictable: play a straight up macro game, and all the korean players know this and will most likely take advantage of this by using a mix of all in and macro games. what im saying is that he is very likely to get sniped. i agree that he is capable of beating STC, but oz and parting??? LOL
You talk way too much boy. Yeah I actually saw those matchs since I'm writing articles about it for a website, but this is not what matters. You're loosing yourself in korean fanatism like a dog looses itself to sniffing it's own ass.
I'm not saying Stephano is the best player on Earth or whatever you think you read, I'm saying that you shouldn't judge people based on one game, and you shouldn't forget about the huge amount of luck that is involved in getting to RO8 in a GSL. Stephano's style doesn't revolve around straight up macro games all the time, it revolves around safety to the point where he can play a straight up macro game. The argument of studying his style his crap, since all players (him included) can do that before their match. Now Stephano is cocky enough not to do it ... I'll give you that ... but still ...
And once again I'm not here to argue whether he's gonna win or not, I'm just saying the guy deserves his seed and could definitely do something in the GSL. If you don't believe this, go talk to MC, Nestea and Mr Chae and explain them how wrong they are ... You seem to understand things so much better than everyone ...
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| Holytornados United States. April 27 2012 02:08. Posts 632 | Profile # |
One of the strongest non-Korean players in the world invite to the Global star league and everyone has to pick a side?
Why don't we wait until he actually plays some matches? A lot of people who are hating on Stephano were hating on NaNiwa a couple weeks ago.
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| mongmong Korea (South). April 27 2012 02:13. Posts 954 | Profile # |
Korean fanatism????
LOL
this is kinda funny cuz the thing i dispise most in starcraft 2 is "korean pride"
bullshit and ur addressing my opinion as 'korean fanatism'??///
its kinda convinient for u to put it as 'korean fanatism'
LOL LOL well lets see how it turns out in the next season |
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| YourMom Romania. April 27 2012 02:15. Posts 497 | Profile # |
It seems to me that Stephano's haters are hating him because of his hype. This has happened since his debut.
The higher the hype the lower skill a player must have. I don't think they can judge based on his play and performance. |
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| hyperdemented Austria. April 27 2012 02:24. Posts 369 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 02:15 YourMom wrote:
It seems to me that Stephano's haters are hating him because of his hype. This has happened since his debut.
The higher the hype the lower skill a player must have. I don't think they can judge based on his play and performance.
yeah, stephano is the biggest retardmagnet ive seen |
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