Holy Roman Mafia

On May 10 2012 23:26 Caller wrote:
YOU CANNOT INHERIT CHANCELLOR OR ARCHIBISHOP POSITIONS. IF THEY DIE A NEW EMPEROR/EMPRESS MUST SUCCEED THE THRONE TO APPOINT A NEW CHANCELLOR/ARCHBISHOP.

So this ONLY happens if the emperor ALSO dies? If the emperor survives his chancellor he is left without a chancellor and cannot appoint a new one?

That would very much change how I was planning on treating the chancellor position.

Bluelightz Indonesia. May 10 2012 23:29. Posts 2327

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On May 10 2012 23:23 Mattchew wrote:

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You are not making yourself look townie by giving opinions and reads. You are just buddying good players. That's not pro-town and that is posting with a scum agenda

First, I've gave my opinion on some topics, I gave reads on the people that other people are considering, what's so scummy? How are you not pushing a scum agenda, How does putting strong town player's into office benefit town/scum? If someone's has a strong town but is scum how about that?.

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strongandbig United States. May 10 2012 23:31. Posts 3185

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Looks like a lot has happened since I went to bed. I'll be putting some thoughts on the last ten or so pages in this post.
- bugs' claim seems really scummy. In bastard mafia, he was only outed in one post, by a post timing analysis, and no one really mentioned that again. The last post in the game was even a question about who was playing as Bagmanager. It's definitely possible he forgot that he was caught. If that's the case then his scum claim kind of makes sense from a scum point of view; if we started lynching into smurfs to try and find him, there are a lot of smurfs that would go higher up on the list. The posting style he uses as Bagmanager is also pretty different from his normal posting style, and he's a pretty smart guy - it's unlikely he would get caught if he hadn't been caught already.
- on the other hand, if he remembered that Bagmanager had already been outed, then the move obviously doesn't make sense from a scum point of view, except for the wifom "why would scum claim scum" crap argument. If that's the case then he probably gave the account to someone else and is now fucking with them.
- on balance I think that Bagmanager would be a valid lynch target.

- I'm glad bill Murray liked my anti-cat party post but that post wasn't some genius stroke of real play disguised as trolling. I was trolling just like everyone else.

- Forumite is right, we need -exactly- two valid town candidates for each post, otherwise of scum pile their votes secretly on someone they would be the likely heir.

- a little surprised the cube is Cephiro - I thought it was Palmar since he's the one who controlled the account in aperture mafia - but there's no reason he couldn't have given the account away.

- Cube's "co-operate with the Hamburger bloodline" comment doesn't sound town. If you are town, then it would be odd to call playing as town "co-operating.". It sounds like how I posted when I was survivor in bastard mafia (before we figured out that there was no town in that game.)

Okay I got to the end of the thread. I'm also at work now so more later.
Question for the mods:
can we change our votes once they've been pm'ed in or are they permanent?

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Mattchew United States. May 10 2012 23:32. Posts 5120

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What opinions and reads have you given that's a lie

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Caller Poland. May 10 2012 23:33. Posts 7265

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On May 10 2012 23:28 Acrofales wrote:

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Situation 1:
Emperor dies, Chancellor doesn't.
New Emperor appoints a new chancellor, can keep old one if he wishes.

Situation 2:
Emperor lives, Chancellor dies.
No Chancellor until Emperor dies.

Situation 3:
Emperor and Chancellor die.
New Emperor appoints New Chancellor.

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Acrofales Brazil. May 10 2012 23:35. Posts 5194

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While asking questions on the game setup:
Is the archbishop's ability a once per game, once per archbishop (meaning every time the empress dies, the new archbishop gets to name someone heretic), or once per cycle ability?

Acrofales Brazil. May 10 2012 23:36. Posts 5194

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S&B: you claim you have read to the end of the thread, yet give NO opinion about Mattchew/Carolus/my bid for emperor? Instead you focus on wifom surrounding bugs (although I agree with you) and a meaningless triviality in BM's wall of replies?

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blubbdavid Switzerland. May 10 2012 23:36. Posts 2241

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Votes cannot be changed once sent

and ninja'd by caller

lol

archbishop can use his role every cycle

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Mattchew United States. May 10 2012 23:37. Posts 5120

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Strong an big .. Any opinions on that recap? Still anti-cat? You say that cc is ceph surprises you cause of the difference to aperture but you still want to lynch bag because he could be wbg? That's a little quick to jump the gun considering in the same post you are willing to admit dofferences between smurf and original owners / current owners

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Caller Poland. May 10 2012 23:39. Posts 7265

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This leads me to another point:

If the person in the #4 slot is elected emperor, the person in the #5 slot is his heir. In this case, if Laika is elected emperor, Companion Cube would be heir to the Emperor, and OpZ would be the next heir to the Emperor (if Companion Cube dies) and so on and so forth.

So no, marrying the Emperor or Empress does not give you a claim on the Emperor/Empress role.

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Acrofales Brazil. May 10 2012 23:41. Posts 5194

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Caller's clarification makes me radically revise my idea on secrecy surrounding chancellors. If the chancellor is not expendable as long as the emperor lives, then it is important that he is appointed in secret. Effectively, I thought the chancellor could serve as mafia-bait, which was part of my reason for wanting to appoint BM. However much he seems to have improved his play this game, mafia tends to dislike "wasting" kills on him. Forcing them to waste a kill/roleblock on BM seemed like a decent idea. It seemed like a win-win situation: either mafia is forced to deal with BM with a power role (kill him and a new chancellor was appointed), or BM is free to use his power role (and I still believe he would use it quite okay).

Seeing as this interpretation of the rules was wrong, and mafia could kill him and let the emperor live, leaving town without that DT role, that plan won't work. I will now also keep my appointment secret.

Forumite Sweden. May 10 2012 23:42. Posts 2931

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On May 10 2012 23:39 Caller wrote:
This leads me to another point:

If the person in the #4 slot is elected emperor, the person in the #5 slot is his heir. In this case, if Laika is elected emperor, Companion Cube would be heir to the Emperor, and OpZ would be the next heir to the Emperor (if Companion Cube dies) and so on and so forth.

So no, marrying the Emperor or Empress does not give you a claim on the Emperor/Empress role.

Oh fuck...

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zelblade Singapore. May 10 2012 23:43. Posts 872

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What happened to the runner up being the heir LOL

Mattchew United States. May 10 2012 23:43. Posts 5120

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Acro what do you find negative about my campaign or better about yours?

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Acrofales Brazil. May 10 2012 23:44. Posts 5194

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The fuck.... this is completey different to how I thought it worked (and Forumite thought it worked, and probably everybody thought it worked). You bastard mod from hell, you.

New plan: find a LIST of people you think are town and vote for the top one?

zelblade Singapore. May 10 2012 23:46. Posts 872

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On May 10 2012 23:44 Acrofales wrote:

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Too many scummy people in between here and there. Its really unlikely we can find such a list on D1 anyway. I guess we should proceeed as normal.

Also I sent in my votes - Carlo for Empreor, CC for Empress.

Caller Poland. May 10 2012 23:47. Posts 7265

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Seriously though I have no idea how you concluded that runner ups became heirs to the Emperor. Wouldn't we obviously get to the point where people with no votes could become Emperor? That's a bigger clusterfuck than this is.

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Caller Poland. May 10 2012 23:48. Posts 7265

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On May 10 2012 06:52 Erandorr wrote:

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24. Errandor

NOT MY FAULT CALLER CANT SPELL OR READ

Your name will now be mispelled for the rest of the game.

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Acrofales Brazil. May 10 2012 23:49. Posts 5194

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On May 10 2012 23:43 Mattchew wrote:
Acro what do you find negative about my campaign or better about yours?

Firstly, I only find your recent play in any way, shape or form, townie. Yesterday you played around at trolling with the trolls. I am also still distrustful of Hassy and your instant mutual buddying was suspicious.

I also very much prefer me, confirmed town (in my eyes), as emperor to someone I am unsure of!

Also, you confused me by saying you wanted carolus as a chancellor, but later claiming you'd choose in secret... how does that jibe?

Mattchew United States. May 10 2012 23:50. Posts 5120

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Do people realize emperor has no body guards or protection? By voting syllo you give MORE reason for scum to shoot him/them n1... We should be spreading out where scum want to shoot not consolidating it

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