| TheWorldToCome United States. April 27 2012 19:41. Posts 363 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 07:52 Epoch wrote:
The most important tip is tip #8.
Tip #8 - Lose the ego. Stop giving a fuck about your ladder ranking, and winning games, and shift your focus to improving and having fun. And lose the sense of self entitlement, you aren't better than people. If they beat you, they won fair and square and it's your job to do better next time. This is the single most important tip.
This exactly. After I did this, no more anxiety at all, ever. |
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| Pandemona England. April 27 2012 21:07. Posts 9595 | Profile Blog # |
Great read. Well done  |
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| SanchoPanda United States. April 28 2012 01:19. Posts 114 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 14:24 Logan_ps wrote:
Thanks for posting. A good read. The thing that struck home the most for me was what you wrote about laddering being Character building. I've used the same techniques I used to beat agoraphobia to get over ladder anxiety. After all, there are far more difficult things in life - as you say, it's a game, we just need to go play!
Wow, that is awesome! My fav response so far. Looks like you could write your own article about ladder anxiety, and I would love to read it! =] |
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| Meiya Australia. April 28 2012 01:55. Posts 926 | Profile # |
Yeah, this is an excellent post. I actually find the ladder anxiety thing fascinating myself: I've had some interesting IRL experiences and I have some concerning encounters with aggressive people quite regularly IRL, yet I find I tend to be more worried playing online RTS (in this case SC2) than in those situations...the same methods for growing character and (at the risk of sounding melodramatic) developing courage that we use in real life are applicable in SC2.
So yes, great thread OP. |
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| Phant United States. April 28 2012 01:59. Posts 726 | Profile # |
Tip #8, read this blog =)
Nice work! |
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| BronzeKnee United States. April 28 2012 02:01. Posts 2630 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 07:48 SanchoPanda wrote:
Watching the highlights now, it is funny how all I could remember was that handball. It’d totally forgotten Donovan missing two great looks, or the fact that Germany should have scored 2-3 other goals.
That game is the reason I stop watching Soccer and why SC2 is so great (granted with ref reviews that could have been fixed, but FIFA is ridiculous). Unfortunately, the Germans have the refs to thank for their win, and the Americans have the refs to blame for their loss in that FIFA match. To me, every sport with variables other than skill that effect the outcome seem so archaic now.
But in SC2 there are no judges to make bad or biased decisions, no referees to miss calls, and in 1vs1 no one else to rely on. Whether you win or lose, it's your fault, no one else is to blame but yourself. And because of this I think people get anxiety on the 1vs1 ladder in particular because they internalize and personalize things. When some people fail to win a game they believe it means they are a failure.
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| vervejl United States. April 28 2012 02:24. Posts 55 | Profile # |
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| Twistacles Canada. April 28 2012 03:24. Posts 1327 | Profile Blog # |
I used to have ladder anxiety when I barely played because of school and was struggling to remain in masters. Last season, for the first time, I got put into diamond. With that.. anxiety completely gone. If I'm okay with being Diamond then i dont give a shit if i win or lose, and i've put in a TON more games because of it and im actually improving
just play more and forget the icon. If people try to troll you and make fun of your rank or wtv, block em |
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| JOJOsc2news April 28 2012 03:37. Posts 2999 | Profile Blog # |
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| Dusen Denmark. April 28 2012 03:41. Posts 60 | Profile # |
Again :O:O:O
Dunno how many of these threads there is now, god damn there is like a new one every week -.-
Press the "find game" butten and go.
You are not pro, since your not playing ladder, your probably pretty far from being pro, so just play.
Its a habbit, first step is hard after that its ez pz. |
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| Altercate Sweden. April 28 2012 05:58. Posts 74 | Profile # |
Thanks for the post, OP. Always GGing is my favorite tip. After developing the policy of always staying mannered, I feel much happier when I ladder, and it helps me focus on my own journey of improvement. Every time I lose to Dark Templars, I get a little better at holding them off. I come a little closer to recovering even though I missed scouting it out. So I see all my opponents as important people who are in my life to teach me to hold off early aggression. 
On April 27 2012 08:29 Ermac wrote:
I no longer play this game actively, but while I did I couldn't help but ask myself one thing repeatedly.
If you have to force yourself to play a game for whatever reason, is it really a game you love to play?
At the moment I'm playing League of Legends and got hooked on ranked games pretty quickly. Strangely enough I'm not having any of the issues most people, including myself, know and/or have in SC2 with pressing that damnable "find match" button. On the contrary I sometimes have to stop myself from playing because I KNOW I am too tired to play a proper game but I just want to so desperately...
Thinking about it for some time I actually came up with some logical reasons why my behaviour and feelings playing League differ so much from those I had in SC2. But still... I believe what it comes down to is that the game is just more fun to me than SC2 was.
I see what you mean and I think it's commendable to have the self-awareness to be able to stop doing something that you genuinely don't enjoy when it comes down to it. Glad to hear you're having a great time with LoL.
Personally ladder anxiety is something I only get in "head to head" gameplay, though. I don't get nervous in 2v2. I suspect the point is that when I'm on a team I feel like someone's always got my back, and someone's always there to share the blame and pick me back up when we (inevitably) lose.
I didn't do sports as a kid so struggling with ladder anxiety is actually really helpful to me -- it helps me fight against inertia and accustoms me to competitive environments. So it's a form of personal development to me! And I don't have to worry about spending entire days just playing and playing like I would with Wintermaul in WC3 haha. |
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| SoniC_eu Denmark. April 28 2012 06:08. Posts 793 | Profile # |
F***** nice post
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| SHOOG United States. April 28 2012 06:22. Posts 1337 | Profile Blog # |
I do most of the things on this list! Good to see I've been doing the right things!
Getting to caught up in the anxiety really messes with my play, so anything to get my mind off of points and ranks helps. |
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| DarkPlasmaBall United States. April 28 2012 06:28. Posts 19998 | Profile Blog # |
These tips are really helpful
As someone who gets worked up, is really competitive, and sometimes takes things too seriously, I definitely need to keep some of these things in mind ^^ |
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| SanchoPanda United States. April 28 2012 14:24. Posts 114 | Profile # |
On April 28 2012 05:58 Altercate wrote:Thanks for the post, OP. Always GGing is my favorite tip. After developing the policy of always staying mannered, I feel much happier when I ladder, and it helps me focus on my own journey of improvement. Every time I lose to Dark Templars, I get a little better at holding them off. I come a little closer to recovering even though I missed scouting it out. So I see all my opponents as important people who are in my life to teach me to hold off early aggression.
Yay! Well said. It's amazing how being kind to others whether you feel they 'deserve it' or not, makes it SO much easier to have a positive outlook. Your reply just reconfirms it and encourages me, so THANKS RIGHT BACK!
Also, i'm starting to like the nickname OP |
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| Fragile51 Netherlands. April 29 2012 02:20. Posts 15571 | Profile # |
On April 28 2012 14:24 SanchoPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 05:58 Altercate wrote:Thanks for the post, OP. Always GGing is my favorite tip. After developing the policy of always staying mannered, I feel much happier when I ladder, and it helps me focus on my own journey of improvement. Every time I lose to Dark Templars, I get a little better at holding them off. I come a little closer to recovering even though I missed scouting it out. So I see all my opponents as important people who are in my life to teach me to hold off early aggression.
Yay! Well said. It's amazing how being kind to others whether you feel they 'deserve it' or not, makes it SO much easier to have a positive outlook. Your reply just reconfirms it and encourages me, so THANKS RIGHT BACK! Also, i'm starting to like the nickname OP
Save the pandas!
EDIT: Seriously though, some really good points made and written in a really good way. Props! :DLast edit: 2012-04-29 02:26:00 |
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| Tolkor United States. April 29 2012 02:28. Posts 1 | Profile # |
Love the helpful tips!! One thing that I have found to be helpful is talking to someone between games. Helps to get my brain stimulated in other areas and relaxes the mind a bit. As long as its not arguing with your GF as to what she wants to do later that night instead of playing SC2 >_>
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| bloodmeat United States. April 29 2012 02:34. Posts 160 | Profile # |
All of these are good, but I really agree with number 6. When I first started playing I would always get so upset when I lost and would often just rage quit without giving my opponent a 'gg'. This was especially true when I was cheesed. I eventually made up my mind that I was going to 'glhf' and 'gg' all of my opponents no matter what strategy they used on me. Since I started doing that my mood has elevated greatly while playing games.
It's almost as if all your frustration goes out the window as you give out that 'gg'. Last edit: 2012-04-29 02:35:00 |
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| Altercate Sweden. April 29 2012 02:43. Posts 74 | Profile # |
On April 28 2012 14:24 SanchoPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 05:58 Altercate wrote:Thanks for the post, OP. Always GGing is my favorite tip. After developing the policy of always staying mannered, I feel much happier when I ladder, and it helps me focus on my own journey of improvement. Every time I lose to Dark Templars, I get a little better at holding them off. I come a little closer to recovering even though I missed scouting it out. So I see all my opponents as important people who are in my life to teach me to hold off early aggression.
Yay! Well said. It's amazing how being kind to others whether you feel they 'deserve it' or not, makes it SO much easier to have a positive outlook. Your reply just reconfirms it and encourages me, so THANKS RIGHT BACK! Also, i'm starting to like the nickname OP
Frustration can be tough to deal with and does bad things to people when we succumb to it! I find it helps to remember that most people are nice when you get to know them, and most BM and anger encountered while laddering is just frustration being vented. IME if you try to stay calm and respond to frustration with kindness, MOST people turn out to be pleasant once they calm down! I've met my best "StarCraft friends" that way. |
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| creamyturtle United States. April 29 2012 04:21. Posts 426 | Profile Blog # |
| Interesting article, but I think the only real way to overcome ladder anxiety is to ladder. Systematic Desensitization. The only way to get used to war is to be on the front lines my friend. |
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