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PvZ Build Order Sair Goon

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 CardinalAllin   April 27 2012 13:58. Posts 164
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M18M used this build on Circuit Breaker in 2010. Jaehoon and Tyson used the build a few times in March of 2011.

In a nutshell: Forge expand, stargate, +1 ground weapons. Add 3 gates and get range goons. 5th gate and +1 air weapons.

Sucessful examples:
Jaehoon vs Great on La Mancha
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/51883_great_vs_Jaehoon/vod
Tyson vs Where on Dantes Peak
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/60929_Tyson_vs_Where/vod

Unsucessfull examples:
Jaehoon vs Roro on Empire of the Sun
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/62777_Jaehoon_vs_RorO
M18M vs Hogil on Circuit Breaker
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/49917_HoGiL_vs_M18M/vod

Similar game (2 star then 7 gate goon):
M18M vs Soulkey on circuit Breaker
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/62769_M18M_vs_Neo.G_Soulkey/vod

Pure goon examples without corsair
M18M vs Soulkey on Dantes Peak
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/62773_M18M_vs_Neo.G_Soulkey
Stats vs Zero on Icarus
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/61008_Stats_vs_ZerO/vod

The Build in more detail:
Jaehoon vs Great on La Mancha
Jaehoon moves out with 5 zeals, 5 goons and 4 sairs. Snipes the hatchery and evo.
Retreats and later moves out with 4 zeals, 14 goons and 6 sairs. He breaks 5 sunks and muta scourge.

Tyson vs Where on Dantes Peak
Tyson moves out with 2 zeals, 8 goons and 6 sairs.
Retreats and later moves out with 17 goons and 9 sairs. He breaks 5 sunks and muta scourge.

This article isnt finished, but I spent the time finding all the vods and didnt want to redo that. So Im posting this now incomplete.
BW Map:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412375
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 Iplaythings   Denmark. April 27 2012 14:48. Posts 7052
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there's allready a thread with this BO afaik, also Kal did it to someone on Ultimatum 2 years or so back
In the woods, there lurks..
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 Winechu   Singapore. April 27 2012 15:20. Posts 1095
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On April 27 2012 14:48 Iplaythings wrote:
there's allready a thread with this BO afaik, also Kal did it to someone on Ultimatum 2 years or so back


CODRA
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108201

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 dRaW   Canada. April 30 2012 08:17. Posts 3501
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I have lots of replays vs 1200 Fish zergs with a modified version of this. I actually have some really clean timed builds but I can get more into that if you PM me or really want to know.

In short;
you need to plan out your timing very well (the early timings look nice to get a free win, but as previously mentioned in other threads those are all in).
Transition timing; you need to add robotics after your initial push, templar tech will be too late and requires a lot of extra gas so I found reaver follow up to be easier.
Weak anti-timings; you must get used to knowing what zerg can build @ the time of your push.

This build in general is very stable vs whatever zerg can throw @ you, again send questions , I have many replays.
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=51136 (probably will make a 2k post thread on PvZ specific timed BOS)
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
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 gn0m   Sweden. April 30 2012 18:29. Posts 301
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On April 30 2012 08:17 dRaW wrote:
I have lots of replays vs 1200 Fish zergs with a modified version of this. I actually have some really clean timed builds but I can get more into that if you PM me or really want to know.

In short;
you need to plan out your timing very well (the early timings look nice to get a free win, but as previously mentioned in other threads those are all in).
Transition timing; you need to add robotics after your initial push, templar tech will be too late and requires a lot of extra gas so I found reaver follow up to be easier.
Weak anti-timings; you must get used to knowing what zerg can build @ the time of your push.

This build in general is very stable vs whatever zerg can throw @ you, again send questions , I have many replays.
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=51136 (probably will make a 2k post thread on PvZ specific timed BOS)


That would be fantastic
-_-
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 FlaShFTW   United States. May 02 2012 07:16. Posts 4955
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do you have to start off with a forge fe, or can you begin with an LML build and transition into this?
Never Surrender. Never GG. Always Fighting. BW4LYF. Woo Jung Ho Never Forget.
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 dRaW   Canada. May 02 2012 09:52. Posts 3501
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On May 02 2012 07:16 FlaShFTW wrote:
do you have to start off with a forge fe, or can you begin with an LML build and transition into this?


its all about relative timings, you need to play with mini launcher in-game timer and see what you have at which times. I personally don't think the lml build is efficient because you are building excess and slowing your tech in the process. You can just as easily make the forge @ the natural and keep your econ/tech at the same timing or faster.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
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 3FFA   United States. May 02 2012 12:06. Posts 2649
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what is a LML build? o.O
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 dRaW   Canada. May 02 2012 19:08. Posts 3501
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On May 02 2012 12:06 3FFA wrote:
what is a LML build? o.O


in base 10gate 12forge 2nd pylon @ expansion... The reason I dont like it is because you need to make another pylon @ the natural and you will not have simcity there afterwards.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
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