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| teddyoojo Germany. April 27 2012 20:16. Posts 2404 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 20:16 archonOOid wrote:
Show nested quote +B. Since the United Nations has enlisted the support of numerous
independent, shadow organizations to surreptitiously implement this agenda
around the world, ...
What shadow organizations are they talking about? I haven't heard about any hidden or highly secretive UN organizations.
isnt that self-implying? :D |
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| Lann555 Netherlands. April 27 2012 20:17. Posts 5142 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 20:14 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 20:10 Lann555 wrote:
As a European with little knowledge of all the different states, can someone explain to me why it's always Arizona that seems to appears in these strange stories. Whenever I find myself doing some old-fashioned facepalming at the insanity of the US legal system, it seems to center around Arizona in particular.
What is it about that state? Is it a cultural thing or does the education system there just not function as intended?
republican state religious state southern state the really weird churches are strong therePS: usually florida is notorious for its retardedness but lately arizona is coming up strong aswell
What churches would that be? It's not the Mormon state right?  |
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| Recognizable Netherlands. April 27 2012 20:17. Posts 1359 | Profile Blog # |
USA USA USA!
lol. Anyway, it's Arizona I have come to expect nothing less. |
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| sAsImre April 27 2012 20:17. Posts 2981 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 20:16 archonOOid wrote:
Show nested quote +B. Since the United Nations has enlisted the support of numerous
independent, shadow organizations to surreptitiously implement this agenda
around the world, ...
What shadow organizations are they talking about? I haven't heard about any hidden or highly secretive UN organizations.
The oh so mighty security council maybe XD. |
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| screamingpalm United States. April 27 2012 20:18. Posts 885 | Profile # |
I'm not sure which is more hilarious. Arizona's proposed legislation or the people defending them and saying everyone is sensationalizing and being ignorant. Deniers gonna deny...
I Am Arizona (And So Can You!) :DLast edit: 2012-04-27 20:20:11 |
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| Fyrewolf United States. April 27 2012 20:20. Posts 1430 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 20:01 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 19:57 HotShizz wrote:
yeah... that excerpt is ridiculous. Maybe an excerpt from the law not a biased news source, because whatever the source, short of the law itself, I cannot believe anything actually says, you may not use energy efficient bulbs. Maybe it says that Arizona doesn't have to stick to U.N. regulations, but I cannot imagine it says cannot under any circumstances follow any advice or regulation given by UN just to stick it to them :s sounds like sensationalism at its best
I figured that as well, but here is the first two paragraphs of the bill.
Show nested quote +A. The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state
shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of
the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the
Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United
Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro,
Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the
United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.
B. Since the United Nations has enlisted the support of numerous
independent, shadow organizations to surreptitiously implement this agenda
around the world, the state of Arizona and all political subdivisions are
prohibited from implementing programs of, expending any sum of money for,
being a member of, receiving funding from, contracting services from, or
giving financial or other forms of aid to the International Council for Local
Environmental Initiatives or any of its related or affiliated organizations
including Countdown 2010, Local Action for Biodiversity, European Center for
Nature Conservation, the International Union for Conservation of Nature, and
the President's Council on Sustainable Development, enacted on July 19, 1993
by Executive Order 12852.
This is hypocritical as fuck, too. Their quickness to remove anything 'big government' in their state to protect individual liberty has gone so far that the state government is now infringing on personal liberties by saying people CAN'T do something that they would do probably without any knowledge of the UN resolution.
Wow. So it isn't just pushback against the UN, it also would outlaw helping or giving/recieving money from the political subdivision known as "President's Council on Sustainable Development, enacted on July 19, 1993 by Executive Order 12852". Basically, Arizona is outlawing a Presidential Executive Decision in its state. The traitorous south will rise again!Last edit: 2012-04-27 21:33:23 |
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| sAsImre April 27 2012 20:20. Posts 2981 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 20:17 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 20:14 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 27 2012 20:10 Lann555 wrote:
As a European with little knowledge of all the different states, can someone explain to me why it's always Arizona that seems to appears in these strange stories. Whenever I find myself doing some old-fashioned facepalming at the insanity of the US legal system, it seems to center around Arizona in particular.
What is it about that state? Is it a cultural thing or does the education system there just not function as intended?
republican state religious state southern state the really weird churches are strong therePS: usually florida is notorious for its retardedness but lately arizona is coming up strong aswell
What churches would that be? It's not the Mormon state right?
fundamentalist churches I think. Not sure about it tho.Last edit: 2012-04-27 20:33:40 |
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| teddyoojo Germany. April 27 2012 20:23. Posts 2404 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 20:17 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 20:14 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 27 2012 20:10 Lann555 wrote:
As a European with little knowledge of all the different states, can someone explain to me why it's always Arizona that seems to appears in these strange stories. Whenever I find myself doing some old-fashioned facepalming at the insanity of the US legal system, it seems to center around Arizona in particular.
What is it about that state? Is it a cultural thing or does the education system there just not function as intended?
republican state religious state southern state the really weird churches are strong therePS: usually florida is notorious for its retardedness but lately arizona is coming up strong aswell
What churches would that be? It's not the Mormon state right?
mormons are pretty strong there aswell ( The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)
but know that i think about it its nothing compared to couple of other states so i think i delete that part |
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| screamingpalm United States. April 27 2012 20:28. Posts 885 | Profile # |
| Fundamentalist Southern Baptists would be my first guess. |
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| Jaaaaasper United States. April 27 2012 20:39. Posts 2435 | Profile Blog # |
| What the serious F. This isn't going to pass even in Arizona........ I mean, not even Arizona has gone this crazy right? Last edit: 2012-04-27 20:41:14 |
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 Dark Templar Sweden. April 27 2012 20:44. Posts 13 | Profile # |
I don't consider it a coincidence that most all comments in this thread - and on the entire forum - reads as if they were written by an idiot. Can you understand what I am implying? Leftist morons.
I'm happy to be banned. Fuck you TL - special mention to the hypocritical admins.
User was banned for this post. |
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| Nesserev Belgium. April 27 2012 20:55. Posts 340 | Profile Blog # |
When this is what happens in politics, yes, I can understand the apathy by the people from Arizona towards it, but it's what they got themselves into by not being interested in politics, their religious sects and their backwater education in the first place, that's the only explanation I see possible.
Anyway, someone should start selling Arizona on ebay with the starting bidding price at '2 burritos and a bottle of jack' cause you'll probably get more out of that than the state of Arizona if that passes.
For the sake of Arizona, I hope this doesn't pass. |
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| Chilling5pr33 Germany. April 27 2012 21:00. Posts 497 | Profile Blog # |
Well this is just plain dump...
The planet should start to work together instead of fighting war on the planet itself
if you dont get that you are a moron easy as that...
And the forum isnt only populated by leftys its actually pretty even ^^Last edit: 2012-04-27 21:04:04 |
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| b0mBerMan Japan. April 27 2012 21:03. Posts 267 | Profile # | |
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| RCMDVA United States. April 27 2012 21:04. Posts 348 | Profile # | |
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| Hsanrb United States. April 27 2012 21:04. Posts 43 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 20:20 Fyrewolf wrote:
Wow. So it isn't just pushback against the UN, it also would outlaw helping or giving/recieving money from the political subdivision known as "President's Council on Sustainable Development, enacted on July 19, 1993
by Executive Order 12852". Basically, Arizona is outlawing a Presidential Executive Decision in its state. The traitorous south will rise again!
So why can decisions be made in the US solely on the premise of what the President wants. That is a dictatorship and Arizona is one of the few states actually trying to stop this damn country from turning into a dictatorship. Why should a state in my country have to put up with crap the UN spams out the nose, or that the President of my country can force any law down by refusing to sign it. This country is finished if any decision can be overturned BY ONE SINGLE MAN. Theres a reason we have 3 branches of the government, I've read the whole article and all I see is "Arizona wants to get out of agreements forced on them by one man in a resolution that didn't get ratified in congress." GO ARIZONA!
Arizona is one of the few states trying to stand up for itself when the rest of the country is being brainwashed by the system. Washington won't protect them from illegal immigration, they stand up for themselves and everyone hates their laws. You don't like their laws, you throw them out or leave the state. Why should any state have to live up to agreements by people they can't elect. UN can have all these resolutions, but they have no real power and if Arizona wants to go against them they (the UN) have no muscle to use against them. This isn't about "anti-energy efficent" or "anti-poverty" its about protecting those who care about people that don't even live there telling them what they have to do.
If this was so important, and people needed the "President's Council on Sustainable Development" so badly congress would have passed it and not have needed an Executive order by Clinton. Executive orders aren't law, its just like those teachers' notes that let you get out of things just on a bigger scale.
Lets say this passes, nothings going to change. Lightbulbs aren't going to be thrown out because you already use them, programs like unemployment and welfare aren't going to be eliminated right after it signs. Most of the political crap are just using it to score points in a damn election year. Not much is going to change, unless you actually mind your state buying less energy efficient light bulbs because they are cheaper than the energy efficent ones. Most of what these politicans are saying are going to be in Arizona political commercials, just to get you to vote for the other guy. I wish New York was more like Arizona, I'd actually be able to stand state politicians a little more.
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| Iyerbeth England. April 27 2012 21:15. Posts 2210 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 19:49 Joedaddy wrote:
"Tea Party Nuts"
How do you, the OP, propose we have an objective discussion about the pros and cons of the subject matter when you stereotype every self classified Tea Party member as a "nut?"
Where exactly did the OP say that all Tea Party members were nuts? He said that there were Tea party members who were nuts behind the bill, which is very different from saying anyone who self identifies with the group are nuts. Even I wouldn't go that far and I'm about as left wing as it gets. |
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| Fyrewolf United States. April 27 2012 21:23. Posts 1430 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 21:04 Hsanrb wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 20:20 Fyrewolf wrote:
Wow. So it isn't just pushback against the UN, it also would outlaw helping or giving/recieving money from the political subdivision known as "President's Council on Sustainable Development, enacted on July 19, 1993
by Executive Order 12852". Basically, Arizona is outlawing a Presidential Executive Decision in its state. The traitorous south will rise again!
So why can decisions be made in the US solely on the premise of what the President wants. That is a dictatorship and Arizona is one of the few states actually trying to stop this damn country from turning into a dictatorship. Why should a state in my country have to put up with crap the UN spams out the nose, or that the President of my country can force any law down by refusing to sign it. This country is finished if any decision can be overturned BY ONE SINGLE MAN. Theres a reason we have 3 branches of the government, I've read the whole article and all I see is "Arizona wants to get out of agreements forced on them by one man in a resolution that didn't get ratified in congress." GO ARIZONA! Arizona is one of the few states trying to stand up for itself when the rest of the country is being brainwashed by the system. Washington won't protect them from illegal immigration, they stand up for themselves and everyone hates their laws. You don't like their laws, you throw them out or leave the state. Why should any state have to live up to agreements by people they can't elect. UN can have all these resolutions, but they have no real power and if Arizona wants to go against them they (the UN) have no muscle to use against them. This isn't about "anti-energy efficent" or "anti-poverty" its about protecting those who care about people that don't even live there telling them what they have to do. If this was so important, and people needed the "President's Council on Sustainable Development" so badly congress would have passed it and not have needed an Executive order by Clinton. Executive orders aren't law, its just like those teachers' notes that let you get out of things just on a bigger scale. Lets say this passes, nothings going to change. Lightbulbs aren't going to be thrown out because you already use them, programs like unemployment and welfare aren't going to be eliminated right after it signs. Most of the political crap are just using it to score points in a damn election year. Not much is going to change, unless you actually mind your state buying less energy efficient light bulbs because they are cheaper than the energy efficent ones. Most of what these politicans are saying are going to be in Arizona political commercials, just to get you to vote for the other guy. I wish New York was more like Arizona, I'd actually be able to stand state politicians a little more.
Quite a response for a four sentence post I made ending in a joke. You seem to be arguing for checks and balances, but also denounce "that the President of my country can force any law down by refusing to sign it.", one of those very same checks and balances. Great job, Hypocrite.
As for the other part of the question there "Why should a state in my country have to put up with crap the UN spams out the nose, or that the President of my country can force any law down by refusing to sign it"
That's the price of being in the UN and getting to be on the security council. If we want to stay a member, we have to do what it says. We also have a say in what it says because we are on the security council. And all of the things Arizona are rebelling against the UN for are non-binding. Arizona is also being told to do the same kind of things by the US goverment. Even if you may not like executive decision, it is a necessary tool for the government to have.
I also like how you are arguing that if people don't like the Arizona laws, the proper way to deal with it is "You don't like their laws, you throw them out or leave the state." as in your immigration example. So.... Why should the US not throw Arizona out of the country for not liking the executive decision? |
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| sAsImre April 27 2012 21:29. Posts 2981 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 21:04 Hsanrb wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 20:20 Fyrewolf wrote:
Wow. So it isn't just pushback against the UN, it also would outlaw helping or giving/recieving money from the political subdivision known as "President's Council on Sustainable Development, enacted on July 19, 1993
by Executive Order 12852". Basically, Arizona is outlawing a Presidential Executive Decision in its state. The traitorous south will rise again!
Arizona is one of the few states trying to stand up for itself when the rest of the country is being brainwashed by the system. Washington won't protect them from illegal immigration, they stand up for themselves and everyone hates their laws. You don't like their laws, you throw them out or leave the state. Why should any state have to live up to agreements by people they can't elect. UN can have all these resolutions, but they have no real power and if Arizona wants to go against them they (the UN) have no muscle to use against them. This isn't about "anti-energy efficent" or "anti-poverty" its about protecting those who care about people that don't even live there telling them what they have to do. If this was so important, and people needed the "President's Council on Sustainable Development" so badly congress would have passed it and not have needed an Executive order by Clinton. Executive orders aren't law, its just like those teachers' notes that let you get out of things just on a bigger scale.
Who, such a display of ignorance is amazing, congratulations ! read a bit about Kelsen and the UN before coming back plz, it'd help you so much to understand how your country functions.
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| AUFKLARUNG Germany. April 27 2012 21:30. Posts 211 | Profile # |
| Why is the Arizona like this? |
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