| chaoser United States. May 01 2012 03:46. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
no shit I'm going to be in a majority? i just said everyone except for one person should be in the majority...
how is my stance apathetic?? I said to keep it simple and then work it out from there. Palmar is saying we should have this plan which hinges on him being the one in power. I'm saying that if he's mafia, the situation would be extremely bad, that should be a given in any game; that giving mafia a lot of power is bad. Let's say we ARE following palmar's plan, and lets say he thinks what, like 3 people should get immunity for round A today, what does that really change? two more people going to be a part of Round B. We still need to do that exact thing in round 2 then as we would do if we kept it simple. Keeping it simple is like if it was just palmar picking only one person to be immune day 1. |
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| syllogism Finland. May 01 2012 03:46. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
| This is why we need a plan for round A; to make sure players we are suspicious of vote with the majority. As I noted earlier, chaoser is who I would be voting to lynch right now and he should definitely not get immunity today. |
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| Foolishness United States. May 01 2012 03:48. Posts 2326 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 03:26 sandroba wrote:
@foolishness There will never be a consensus on whom to kill especially if said person is mafia. It's reasonable to assume even a few townies will have a wrong read on and will end up defending scum. Also afaik only the vote tally will be available, not who voted whom. How exactly is that going to work in practice?
Only way I can think of is that we get compliance from everyone beforehand, that they will agree to follow the voting scheme if they get out-voted (we do the traditional voting to see who will be lynched). Then we propose a unique voting scheme so we can identify who didn't follow it (each player votes for a unique combination of players).
If there is never a consensus we might as well just give up now. Forgot who said it but someone yesterday said something to the effect of, "we should assume since this is liar game if we all work together and trust each other then we will win easily". Nothing will get accomplished if we're not semi-organized with who we want dead.
It's really easy to construct a way to distribute votes once we know who we want dead. And we shoot anyone who doesn't follow. You can argue against the lynch candidate but if the rest of the town agrees to kill the person in question you have to suck it up and go with it. That's the only way we can win. |
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| chaoser United States. May 01 2012 03:48. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
| what a horribly misrepresentation of my post...where do you get the "things will work out in the end"? When I say the votes will end up sorting out, i mean that obviously people will TALK about the votes and also be posting their votes publicly so that town can scrutinize and talk about it all. |
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| Ace United States. May 01 2012 03:48. Posts 13591 | Profile Blog # |
The reason why Palmar shouldn't be in power goes beyond any notions of how good someone can identify Town (which is erratic and no where near 100% to be considered reliable):
The game doesn't support any one person being in control. The round A votes are hidden, the round B votes can be distributed however a player wishes. That's it.
Plan finished. Good bye. |
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| syllogism Finland. May 01 2012 03:48. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
| Chaoser do you think Palmar is mafia or not? |
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| Foolishness United States. May 01 2012 03:50. Posts 2326 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 03:46 syllogism wrote:
This is why we need a plan for round A; to make sure players we are suspicious of vote with the majority. As I noted earlier, chaoser is who I would be voting to lynch right now and he should definitely not get immunity today.
I don't care if he's in the majority or not. If he is then we pressure him and decide if we want to kill him. If he's not we turn our attention elsewhere. We need a few days and a bit of planning before we are able to do anything with the minority voting. Just let it be random for now and go after your suspects. |
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| chaoser United States. May 01 2012 03:55. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote:
Chaoser do you think Palmar is mafia or not?
yes I do. and you by association |
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| chaoser United States. May 01 2012 03:56. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
| If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 01 2012 03:57. Posts 9734 | Profile Blog # |
| I would rather lynch syllogism. Discuss. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. May 01 2012 03:58. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
| Just for the plan, or do you have other reasons? Explain. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 01 2012 03:58. Posts 9734 | Profile Blog # |
| He's being overly aggressive. It's very un-syllolike. |
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| Foolishness United States. May 01 2012 04:00. Posts 2326 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 03:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Just for the plan, or do you have other reasons? Explain.
Plans should not be very relevant for the time being. Find a person who you think is mafia and make a case. This discussion will win us the game, not debating what plans we should enact to try to win. If the majority of the town agrees on a person to be killed we should kill that person. As I said it's really easy to get someone killed with the voting system. It's really hard to ensure that all the "townies" survive. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. May 01 2012 04:03. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 04:00 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 03:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Just for the plan, or do you have other reasons? Explain.
Plans should not be very relevant for the time being. Find a person who you think is mafia and make a case. This discussion will win us the game, not debating what plans we should enact to try to win. If the majority of the town agrees on a person to be killed we should kill that person. As I said it's really easy to get someone killed with the voting system. It's really hard to ensure that all the "townies" survive.
No, I'm trying to get something concrete out of Chaoser instead of just "I think Palmar needs to be lynched". That post was directed towards Chaoser.
Chaoser, explain why you want to lynch Palmar, and why you think he's scum. You're not going to convince anyone by just saying you want to lynch him. |
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| syllogism Finland. May 01 2012 04:04. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 03:56 chaoser wrote:
If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar
Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this? |
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| Foolishness United States. May 01 2012 04:07. Posts 2326 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 03:56 chaoser wrote:
If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar
Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this?
Not helping. Let the man answer. Give us your own reads thus far, chaoser already has some explaining to do and I trust that he will. |
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| Ace United States. May 01 2012 04:17. Posts 13591 | Profile Blog # |
| chaoser doesn't have to explain anything because what he said isn't scummy. |
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| chaoser United States. May 01 2012 04:18. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 03:56 chaoser wrote:
If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar
Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this?
Before the game started, I was thinking that if I was mafia I would come out of the gate very strong, use the WIFOM of "he's so out there, there's no way he's mafia" card and then make it to day 3 or 4 by way of offering an audacious plan. There's no way such a person wouldn't attract a medic or something, as can be seen in A LOT of TL games (specifically in space station with sandro's strong coming out). Even if I didn't attract a medic, the other mafia family probably won't shoot me because they'd fear a medic protect anyway. It was more of a solo plan that I was thinking about but having another person along would make it even more "out there".
Mafia win the game by outnumbering townie, not by having as many people stay alive till the end. If mafia can waste enough time to get to LYLO, it doesn't matter what the town does since it's very rare for town to play perfectly once LYLO is reached, especially if mafia has been defending townies as well as teammates. So much WIFOM at LYLO means mafia will probably win. That's how I always play as mafia; go look at that game where Ver was badass professor. Had mafia pushed that last lynch on a townie instead of on me, town would have been at LYLO and would have been fucked. Barundar and GM had believed and supported me the whole way, they were definitely going to be mislynched sooner or later. Even if most of my team was lynched after reaching LYLO, mafia would have probably won.
That's why as soon as palmar busted out with his plan, I was very very suspicious because it was going down exactly how I thought a mafia would play it. Having one person in power in this game is actually really bad |
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| chaoser United States. May 01 2012 04:23. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
I listed the old games to support my idea that mafia win by trying to get to LYLO as quickly as possible. One day to do that is to preoccupy the town for so long that they don't have time to fully work things out cause one thing kept coming up after another and by the time they thought something was wrong, it'd be too late. An example of this is my most recent game where that dude claimed cop and both him and my teammate got lynched. I was so happy he claimed cop cause so many early cycles got wasted on that.
This is exactly what would happen if any single one person was given full power in this game. Sandro's "switching" power holder is even worse...that's so goddamn complicated it'd make anything happening so screwy.. |
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| syllogism Finland. May 01 2012 04:30. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
Right, so I'm willing to entertain the idea that is why you were skeptical of the plan, though I still think the way you argued against it suggests a non-town mindset, but you still haven't explained why you think Palmar is mafia. Even if you think that is a possible mafia strategy, do you think it is a likely one? It makes perfect sense from a town point of view and is exactly what you would expect from town palmar. Further, certainly you've actually read his posts to see if his actual content agrees with your theory? Yet, I notice a distinct lack of you pointing towards anything specific
That post is a pretty bizarre way to push the idea that someone is mafia, it seems quite defensive even |
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