Liar Game Mini Mafia

Ve is a good bet, he seems pretty likely to be scum. I'm also slightly suspicous of sheth and mz, but not sure at this point.

Original Message From wherebugsgo:
How should we kill people in phase B?

judging from VE's behavior I would not be at all surprised if he and sandro are actually on the same team. IF we lynch two people today, it should be VE and sandro together IMO.

VE saying "I'll give you my reads after I flip" is pretty much the best way to claim scum (trololol)

Also Ace why are you saying you're going to vote yourself? You're not in the majority. Care to weigh in on whether you'd like VE and sandro to die?

VisceraEyes United States. May 02 2012 05:02. Posts 9734

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On May 02 2012 04:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Update:

Sandro told me he was at a party and he'll reply soon.

Here's the exchange:

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Update: I'm still town and you're still scum. Deal with it.

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wherebugsgo United States. May 02 2012 05:03. Posts 7942

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On May 02 2012 04:54 prplhz wrote:
ah, storm mafia, where wherebugsgo just randomly pointed at me 10 minutes before deadline and then i died. yea i was on top of my game back then.

fun fact: this is the 16th game in a row that i have been town. last game i was scum was in XLVII when i requested it. not counting requests (requested town in election mafia too i think) then i'm on like a 20 game town streak. beat that. always town never not town QED.

rofl the way you said that is hilarious. To be fair kita made that case on you and I thought everyone would listen to him so I switched wagons

Anyway if you expect to live very much longer you need to help find scum or do something at any rate. Who needs die today, and why?

prplhz Denmark. May 02 2012 05:09. Posts 3951

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honestly, i don't expect to live through the day. hopefully i'll have the energy to put more effort into this game tomorrow 'cause it's quite disappointing what i've done so far.

Please don't hurt me...

Mr. Wiggles Canada. May 02 2012 05:14. Posts 4685

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So are we going with any organized system? We need to decide and get things going if we are. Right now, it seems like the majority of the suspicion lies between Sandroba, VE, and now prplhz. So, we need to decide who and how many we want to actually lynch, though it might not work out entirely due to some people random voting. Still, we can kill at least one for sure.

If we're only going after one person, I'd say VE. If we're going after two, then VE and probably Sandro, since he still hasn't shown up in thread with anything, and if Syllo is to be believed, hasn't started doing anything in PM land either.

I haven't used my votes yet, and when I do I'll announce them in the thread. I urge everyone else to publicly announce who they intend to vote for, hopefully before they do it. There's not really a reason not to (A pro-town one at least), and this will let us keep a tally and hopefully kill who we want to kill. Just splitting randomly on who we think is townie seems pretty dangerous.

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syllogism Finland. May 02 2012 05:20. Posts 5337

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I'm going to be voting in about 30 minutes and then I'll be off. I will likely be spreading my votes between radfield, wiggles and someone else.

wherebugsgo United States. May 02 2012 05:24. Posts 7942

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Syllo, we should be more careful than that.

We need to ensure that scum cannot influence the vote by breaking a tie easily.

Say no one votes Cephiro and he's town, but VE+sandro are scum. They can simply vote themselves or even each other to live.

wherebugsgo United States. May 02 2012 05:25. Posts 7942

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Ncm you can't vote yourself, but it's still possible to easily save someone in that situation.

VisceraEyes United States. May 02 2012 05:28. Posts 9734

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What if I'm town and I spend my votes trying to save Sandro because I think he's town?

What then bugs?

Come on and give it to me. Come on and die. ****TL MAFIA LI - NEVER FORGET****

Liquid`Sheth United States. May 02 2012 05:31. Posts 2026

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This is tough to figure out. I'm happy with VE dying honestly. I think his play is just much different then when hes town. There's not much more to say on that issue.

Underneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.

syllogism Finland. May 02 2012 05:53. Posts 5337

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I got to go, but while I'm gone I would like to see sheth explain why he thinks that Gonzaw has been playing his "scum meta" and has been "useless". He also seemed quite worried about dying due to not getting enough votes, which frankly sounded quite artificial. This is all from a PM conversation with him. Not the first PM discussion either in which it felt like he was just making stuff up. We should still prioritize sandroba lynch, but I'm quite suspicious of sheth right now.

Palmar Iceland. May 02 2012 05:55. Posts 7607

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On May 02 2012 03:11 Cephiro wrote:

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I have in no way undermined the work you claim you are doing. I just said you might want to be a bit more careful, that's all.

Are you sure you have the influence to get it done? If you want to dig your own grave, go ahead and try. I dare you.

You can be stubborn and think what you want, all I'm saying you should be careful whom you co-operate with. Preferably a bit more than so far.

Also, just to dare you a bit more: Who knows? Maybe I am just testing to see how you react, maybe I am talking all bullshit, or maybe I hold some information that you might not want me to know.

How is it in any way beneficial to fuck with me if you're town. Seriously, fuck you, you're being dumb.

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Palmar Iceland. May 02 2012 05:57. Posts 7607

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this game is stupid, arrogant and dumb townies or mafia are fucking with me and it's boring.

I'll spread my votes on anyone that isn't cephiro, chaoser, VE and sandroba I think. mostly gonna make sure rad and prplhz stay alive, probably wiggles too, he seems towny enough.

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syllogism Finland. May 02 2012 06:01. Posts 5337

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Yes, in a game where cooperation is essential we are stuck with some players who are completely incapable of doing that. I'm sure they aren't all mafia and even if they are, I think they would be playing in a quite similar fashion anyway.

Motbob is great Wales. May 02 2012 06:07. Posts 28

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On May 02 2012 05:57 Palmar wrote:
this game is stupid, arrogant and dumb townies or mafia are fucking with me and it's boring.

I'll spread my votes on anyone that isn't cephiro, chaoser, VE and sandroba I think. mostly gonna make sure rad and prplhz stay alive, probably wiggles too, he seems towny enough.

Hey look Palmar, I found a useful device to find all those dumb and arrogant townies!

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People didn't like your idea, deal with it. You really need to get off your high horse and pay attention to the game. Why on earth would you keep prplhz alive? Why does Chaoser need to die (you have to have a reason beyond "he disagrees with me")?

Sir Motbob is the finest gentleman who ever lived (and I have his permission to make this smurf)

wherebugsgo United States. May 02 2012 06:10. Posts 7942

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someone needs to explain the chaoser case.

He's been thrown around as a suspect by a few players (notably Foolishness, Palmar, syllogism) but there's been no real justification for it.

gonzaw Uruguay. May 02 2012 06:13. Posts 3087

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To Cephiro:

Dude, I don't get wtf you are doing.
Like really. People ask you reads and you start bickering about how you don't need to post them and you are "waiting for the right time" or some shit.
Then, you accuse Palmar's "allies" (I guess you mean syllo) that they leak info, and when asked to justify yourself, you go on to spout some mystical bullshit about how "telling you the obvious wouldn't be fun" and shit.
Really, you seem to act like Chezinu and those other guys that troll the hell out of games.
But why the fuck would you troll this game if you were town? You can't say "Oh you can't use meta because good players change their meta".
...if you are town and play good you don't need to change your meta. In fact, being town you NEED to stay to your meta so people (even those "retards that use meta" (hyperbole here) that you talk about) have it easier to figure out you are town.

I can't see any reason why you would willingly change your meta, or act different than it if you are town, specially since you played very good in that game as town; and now you are playing like shit, creating chaos with your bickering, not giving any reads or reasoning behind them, and just running around trolling people.

I don't find any town motivation for you to act this way, so I still think you are scum. I'd like people to avoid voting you.

Also, wtf is with this?

To everyone using "meta": What on earth is wrong with you people? Are you seriously saying that the TL players are so poor that you can just metagame them? How about playing based on what people do this game instead of comparing it to other games. I am starting to get fed up seeing the words "based on meta" come up in every few posts.

Okay, if you don't like using meta yourself, then fine, don't use meta yourself.

But are you really undermining every use of meta? Are you really saying that every player here is a "Mafia God" who can change metas as they will when they are scum and fool everybody 100% of the time or something?
Players here can make mistakes or play badly every once in a while. When they do that as scum we do find them using meta. Why are you against this?
Are you just going to assume everybody in this game is Akiyama or Yokoya and that you need elaborate plans and shit to catch them?
Do you really think that or are you bluffing now to avoid doing anything constructive?

If someone thinks Cephiro is town, please state why you think so.

About VE:

I was leaning town on him at first, because he was very aggressive, and at first he was actively trying to find some scum on wbg (although in a retarded fashion).
However, since then he's just trolling, being disruptive, acting defeated even though not many people actually FoSed him or anything.
Is this a trend or something? It's been 3 games in a row were people FoS VE and he starts acting like a crybaby and rage quitting.

I'm comparing this to LIII, where he had quite a few votes on him when he ragequitted, and quite a lot of opposition. And there he at least contributed with his reads as well, and also claimed.
But now he had hardly any pressure at all when he started acting like this, and didn't contribute at all afterwards. I could see his motivation for ragequitting on LIII, but now I don't see any motivation for him to do so, specially when there isn't a normal lynch system in this game.
That makes me think he's most likely mafia

About sandroba:

I have to somewhat agree with Wiggles here. I haven't seen any convincing case that he's scum, just "meta" and "he's inactve/doesn't care".
I'm suspicious of him though, because I did read Space Station and he was very active and driving the game in there, while here he just seems to blend in, at least when he was posting.
But can someone link to a game where he was scum? Saying "this is sandroba's scum meta" doesn't mean much if you don't link to those games (specially if they happened long ago).

About prplz:

I agree with meapak, his first posts were fluffy and he just seemed to blend in. I wouldn't mind killing him either, but I want him to first come and post his thoughts on what's happening, post his scumreads and reasoning behind them.

To chaoser:

Can you please post more reads and stop talking about this Round B plan? I don't know why some people started thinking you are town all of a sudden (or don't want to lynch you), but you still haven't contributed enough.
What do you think of Cephiro for instance? What about other players?

About my votes:

I'll most definitely vote for these:
Radfield
Mr Wiggles

I still don't know who else to vote for, most likely ET or Sheth.

About the plan:

So what are we going to do in the end? Do the voting circle-jerk and only lynch sandroba?

If so, why sandroba and not someone else? Why not lynch Cephiro, or chaoser? I wouldn't mind sandroba dying, but who decided he was the lynch? How will we decide in later days who to lynch? Will it be just as random as wbg saying "we lynch sandroba" and everybody complying with it later?

If so, what is the voting system? I've seen everybody just say "I'll vote X,Y and Z and I won't vote sandroba and A and B".
This will most likely mean that sandroba will not be the only one killed, or even some very dumb townie or mafia (like VE) can fuck with us and put all his votes on sandroba/chaoser, or the other way round.

I haven't voted yet, so I want some confirmation of what we decided to do this Round B.

VisceraEyes United States. May 02 2012 06:21. Posts 9734

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Anyone who cares about my opinion knows I haven't rage-quit.

Come on and give it to me. Come on and die. ****TL MAFIA LI - NEVER FORGET****

gonzaw Uruguay. May 02 2012 06:36. Posts 3087

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These post seem like you are ragequitting and trolling to me:

On May 02 2012 01:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let's all kill VE and wonder where it all went wrong! It'll be fun!

Your fucking ALL scum. The hosts trolled me and you're all scum. This game is imba.

On May 02 2012 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't matter Sheth - I'm going to be voted off today because I was scumhunting and scum are in power. It's standard operating procedure.

On May 02 2012 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
What if I'm town and I spend my votes trying to save Sandro because I think he's town?

What then bugs?

Okay then VE, why don't you post your reads, make cases or put some reasoning behind them (and if you still think wbg is scum please don't mention those PMs), and discuss current events? Why don't you do something?

What do you think of Cephiro? Why do you think chaoser is scum?

wherebugsgo United States. May 02 2012 06:42. Posts 7942

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Stop talking to scum.