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| wherebugsgo United States. May 02 2012 06:54. Posts 7942 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 15:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually - don't answer that. It doesn't even matter.
I'm giving my votes to Radfield, Sheth, prplhz, Cephiro and MrWiggles. Do whatever the piss you want with that. I'm fine with a Sandroba lynch.
Original Message From VisceraEyes:
I'm saving Sandroba. Lick my balls scum.
So much for that shit |
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| Palmar Iceland. May 02 2012 06:59. Posts 7607 | Profile Blog # |
I'm giving my votes (1 each) to
Radfield
prplhz
Wiggles
EchelonTee
Meapak (it was a close call between meapak and sheth, I don't mind another day with both) |
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 Motbob is great Wales. May 02 2012 07:01. Posts 28 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 06:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 15:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually - don't answer that. It doesn't even matter.
I'm giving my votes to Radfield, Sheth, prplhz, Cephiro and MrWiggles. Do whatever the piss you want with that. I'm fine with a Sandroba lynch.
So much for that shit
Yeah alright we're killing VE as well. If I've been PMing you about VE here is my decision. |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 02 2012 07:03. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
I was thinking of giving 2 votes to ET and Meapak perhaps.
I know most people will likely be voting Radfield, Wiggles, etc more, so they will most likely receive lots of votes, while ET, Meapak, Sheth, etc will receive less.
If so, it's possible VE and sandroba pull something up and let those get lynched instead.
But anyways, I'll wait to see how all the votes are organized first before voting. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 02 2012 07:09. Posts 9734 | Profile Blog # |
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.
That being said, my scumreads are:
Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee
Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.
I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 02 2012 07:18. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
Me replying to stuff that's been going on thread the past 10 pages:
RE: The gonzaw/Cephiro back and forth
On May 01 2012 08:10 gonzaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Cephiro:Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&user=183812http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=5#84http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=5#87I found this odd, because you started very aggresively. There were some good plans (mine) floating around, and you behemently opposed them. The point is that you didn't come up with any of your own or try to generate any other discussion. You inserted doubt into plans and just bickered about them, you didn't come up with content of your own. Well, maybe honestly you thought those plans were bad, so that in itself wouldn't bother me. However, you post this:
I'm not expecting to see gamebreaking strategies (especially ensuring as making them work flawlessly is quite hard), so please concentrate on finding the scum instead of trying to come up with some epic plan. And don't get greedy. If we find someone that we are sure to be scum, then do everything possible to get that person killed or lynched. If we try to get greedy and be smartasses and try to lynch three scum at once, it'll most likely bite ourselves in the ass.
You are giving the usual "People stop discussing policy lynches/plans/shit and start finding scum!", yet I don't see you following your own advice. When someone asked you for your reads, you said "At the moment I am afraid to tell you I have no reason to share my reads with you.". What? You said we should try and find scum, but you don't want to contribute your reads? You started very aggressive and "keen" to find scum, but you were inactive for some time later and when you came back you didn't put any effort into doing so. I know how you can play as town Cephiro, I observed Death Factory and you were contributing and making plans like crazy. Being this aggresive and indifferent to plans is unlike you.
The two bolded parts are the significant parts of gonzaw case, and ones that I find to be pretty true; Cephiro was initially active but since has done no scumhunting. This is especially ironic considering his response:
On May 01 2012 08:19 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I honestly think all the plan discussion in D1 has been stupid. I do not see people agreeing in as quickly as 24-48 hours, and it serves as a great cloak for scum, as it derails the conversation to people jabbing at each other about an optimal way of trying to game the game with voting strategies, instead of hunting the scum.
Lets say someone finally came up with a plan that everyone magically agreed on. Now, what will you do with it if you've found no scum?
Just because I did not publicly share my reads with syllo does mean I haven't done it with anyone else. PM Land is a wonderful place to be in. If I don't trust syllo, why should I give him my reads? And making up false reads in the threads is just something that someone would point out as an contradiction by PMs later, and then bad townies would be jumping all over the fact and be distracted from the actual work that needs to be done.
As I've said a trillion times before, do not try to metagame me. If you try, you've already lost.
Cephiro states that he doesn't like the fact that plan discussion has stifiled scumhunting discussion, and decries the fact that scumhunting hasn't been happening. 24 hours later, not a single scumread from Cephiro. 5 hours til deadline, also hasn't even posted who he's voting for. Also, the consistent bickering about meta is both inaccurate and misguiding; Cephiro consistently asserts in his responses that "don't meta me grrr focus on thread stuff", but not only is meta a strong tool, even if we merely focus on the thread, the fact that he based on plans and harped on the necessity of scumhunting, but did nothing of the sort, making his responses really really scummy.
This + Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2012 10:07 gonzaw wrote:
About Cephiro:
Omg this is the Toad incident all over again.
Okay, I won't argue more with you and this is the only thing I'll say:
Cephiro is not posting any reads, contributing at all, and is only trying to argue the hell out of me right now and clog up the thread instead of addressing the issues I mentioned
So town, read this, read Cephiro's posts, and tell me what you think; I won't clog the thread up any more with this stupid back and forth Cephiro is making
RE: Ace
I don't get Ace. Sometimes he makes the most sense of all, other times I'm like o.O Some posts from him:
On May 01 2012 09:55 Ace wrote:
I really hope I don't end up in the majority with gonzaw. Going to be a difficult task to figure out which one of us needs to die.
On May 02 2012 03:07 Ace wrote:
I'm giving my votes to myself. No one else here deserves them.
On May 01 2012 18:13 Ace wrote:
Too bad I never said anything about looking for Confirmed Town.
Guess we know who's dying soon.
First: are you saying that you and gonzaw are both really scummy, so if you guys were in the majority it would be tough to figure out who has to die? What did you mean by this?
Second: wat? you completely dgaf about who gets lynched and who lives?
Third: who are you referring to about who's dying? Palmar?
Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to Ace's play, but is this normal for him? I don't expect him to answer my questions, but it would help.
RE: Sheth
On May 02 2012 01:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of reentry into the game for some, so assuming Sand is scum and you guys kill us both, if it's a town-related power, you should bring me back.
I have reads, but I'm holding them hostage until after I flip. Bring me back, and we'll kill all the scums.
They're gooooooooood too.
I can't tell if you just aren't caring if you die or if you're just confident you'll get enough votes to live. This isn't the VE that is quiet conserved and waiting to hear others out before judging. As nice as it was for you to say I'd get a vote I'm quite worried about you personally. I'm happy with having the situation be give 4 votes to someone and 1 to someone else. I think its a cool idea especially because we'll see the people who just won't follow it at all. And we'll see those who are just following lemming like. Anyway as of now I'm going to give my 4 to Cephiro and 1 to Meapak because I don't know if others will vote for him and I have liked him so far. Cephiro gets my 4 based on my meta reads of him. I'm not completely sure hes town, but he seems it to me from posts here and in PM land. I geuss its obvious no1 is completely sure of anything yet ^^
This post made me do a double take. You're used to VE being "quiet" and "conserved"? That's not his meta at all, VE is a big asshole as town; your reasoning for initially supporting VE and then not supporting him later doesn't make sense.
Your reasonings for giving Cephiro 4 votes is unclear. You say "meta reads" but don't explain how this makes him town. Gonzaw used meta as a reason why Cephiro is scummy, do you disagree with this?
Your continued assertions that "no1 is sure of anything" both in thread and in PMs seems to indicate a lot of indecisivness. I am pretty suspicious of you atm and am looking for a step up in game, as you look very scummy.
RE: The prplhz case
On May 02 2012 03:54 Motbob is great wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ladies (don’t think there are any) and Gentleman (not many of those either  ). I proudly present you with a tragedy entitled: The tale of two prplhz’s. It was the best of Prplhz, it was the worst of Prplhz… nah screw that I’ll just get right to the good stuff. To start with, I want have a little exercise. I’m going to post three quotes, 1 from prplhz as town, 1 from prplhz as scum, and one from prplhz this game. You’re going to read these match them to the correct game… no cheating! + Show Spoiler +
On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote:Okay I don't think that XXX is scum because he's been pretty out there. The scummiest he has done in my opinion is his claim which was oddly timed. Right now he's a terribly easy lynch, because we'll have to lynch him at some point. I'd like to see ZZZ explain how everything XXX has done can be explained by scum motivation and can not be explained by town motivation. The worst thing about this whole XXX thing is that the lynch is so easy that everybody can just pile onto him and then the day is kinda ruined, we aren't going to find anybody else. I don't think that XXX is scum because he's just been putting himself too much in the line of fire. YYY isn't taking AAA accusations seriously (for some reason, nobody is even though AAA is pretty good at mafia). There are more in the accusations than just "YYY doesn't have a read 5 hours in", he is saying that your mindset doesn't seem focused on finding scum. I totally agree with this. He specifically quotes this:
Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 12:03 YYY wrote:
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I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better.
You see that the discussion is bad, you say that people should try to find whoever is responsible for this, but you never do this. You are the one guilty of strawman arguing when you insinuate that AAA accusation was just based around how you didn't have any reads 5 hours into the game. Additionally there's plenty of bad stuff in your filter. –REDACTED- This post where you complain about what's being discussed without providing anything of an alternative. You were just as guilty in letting the initial discussion get out of hand as those people whose existence you alluded to but never tried to find. I understand that you might not like how XXX was being a douche towards BBB but your comments on that doesn't count as a contribution. You didn't post a single read this entire game, and I don't care if anything is 5 hours into the game or whatever, reads are what push this game foward, AMIRITE? So, YYY, is XXX scum or is he just best lynch because of the situation he's gotten himself in? Do you have other scum reads? I'll vote XXX to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, XXX probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter XXX alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch XXX at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say.
On October 14 2011 22:20 prplhz wrote:
you know while the mayor needs to be someone town, the pardoner is going to be held very accountable. we should lynch the pardoner the second he doesn't do exactly what we tell him to so i think pardoner needs to be expendable.
also i think we need to narrow down the field of candidates so people should keep pushing for their candidacy or they should drop out.
to all of the candidates that aren't XXX, (YYY,ZZZ,AAA,BBB,CCC,DDD,sorryifi'mforgettinganybody) who would you like to see as pardoner if you win the election?
On May 01 2012 05:13 prplhz wrote:
If there's no plan then it's probably going to be 2-4 scum in the majority. If there is a vigilante of sort or other similar role then we can use that to kill of bad guys in the minority.
Since it looks like people don't like round A plans then how about round B plans? I think it was XXX who said "X votes X+1" and then the minority votes for the townier people. Bad thing is that we don't get majority to vote on anything so no information, and if we just flip coins for round A then people never get to put their money where their mouth is. I'm still for the YYYZZZAAA-plan (wazzup) where those three just decide whatever and put 6-7 townies in the minority. If we're dissatisfied with their picks then we can just replace some of them tomorrow. Just because we ditched the claim idea doesn't mean we have to ditch everything that any of those said.
I redacted all the names so that you’d focus on the content. What does prplhz do as town? He’s aggressive, he scum hunts and calls people out. What does prplhz do as scum? He sits back and discusses the setup? What’s prplhz done this game? Well that’s the topic of the little post. Now of course you all are screaming OBJECTION! Meapak wtf are you thinking, meta is good to establish a suspicion but you can’t hang someone for it. I absolutely agree, which is why we’re going to have a closer look at prplhz’s other posts this game. First let’s take a look at the General Guide to Mafia and see what it has to say about scumplay
A. Survival
1. Hiding/Blending in
2. Posting long but contentless posts
3. Lurking
4. Indecision
5. Not wanting to point fingers
6. Avoiding responsibility
7. Apathy about who is lynched*
So let’s take this one at a time. Here are some hiding/blending in posts: + Show Spoiler +
On April 30 2012 20:22 prplhz wrote:
Also: How I plan to be active in PMs this game.
If I end up in majority I plan on pleading my innocence to a bunch of people in PMs. Other than that I'm probably going to play the most of this game in the thread.
On May 01 2012 04:59 prplhz wrote:
I was just reading up on this game and then I thought to myself "Man, I wish I was observing this game." and then I was like "Hey, I am observing this game!" ... dunno I caught and bug and I'm a little ill these days.
I'm not entirely sure what to think of anything yet, I like the 72 hour day proposal 'cause this is going fast.
@wherebugsgo What do you mean "the groups with the power to influence who get into the minority are scum, not town." ?
On May 01 2012 08:08 prplhz wrote:
I don't know who is lamer, the DotA2 king of the WoW king ...
Now here is a long but contentless post: + Show Spoiler +
On April 30 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
I hope this doesn't end in Ace being shot again.
We don't know how many (or even if) we have a vigilante, scum who want to avoid lynch will have like a ~40% chance each day of avoiding the lynch, and they don't even need their scumbuddies' help for this! If we go through with the pardon plan for days then they will even get 100% chance of avoiding lynch and we will need vigilantes to take care of them so potential vigilantes should not use their shot to enforce plans.
I imagine that there are roles more related to the central game mechanic, maybe M/M inverters or people who can throw other people from one pool to the other, maybe some hidden votes for round B.
I thought about how the vote trading panned out in Hammer Mini Mafia (for those who haven't read, everybody had 5 votes and we had to give some away to other people every night). In that game people might not give votes to the most townie player just because "he would already get a bunch" and then he would end up with none. Also, I think charismatic people might get relatively many votes compared to how "townie" they really appear but we still don't want people like me to die just because no one thought to trade me (goes for other people too).
I'm unsure about what to think about big round B plans, I'm always worried about what powers scum may have and I think that just relying on people to do their best should suffice (at least in this game with this infinitely stacked player list). What I'm going to do is that I'm going to split my votes up and throw a bunch of them into people I think other people are likely to vote for, and throw some of them into people I think other people are more unlikely to vote for. If everybody else does this then we're not going to have any problems (and we're going to have a lot of information this way) but if only I do it then there's not really much harm in that anyway.
I think it was gonzaw/syllogism who proposed that round B should be an unofficial vote and then we try to kill the "winner" of that vote, but I don't know about that. This is a game about finding townies and if we all agree that someone is scum then we're not going to need a huge plan for getting him lynched, people are just not going to vote for him or they're going to get into trouble. I have never seen an unofficial voting system in action either, at least not one that worked.
It seems that there is already a big plan in place for round A and it's kinda alright with me, syllogism and Palmar have good reads on each other so I'm going to go along with whatever they feel like for now.
For lurking I’ll point out that prplhz has 14 since the game started. For 4, 5, and 6 I’ll post a couple that have all three of these: + Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote:
I'm very unsure about what's going on and why we're not going with the Palmogisfield-plan. Most of this has just been people not wanting to cooperate and I'm very unsure why. I'm pretty sure we could find a couple people that most everybody wouldn't vote for day1 and it only makes sense to throw them into the minority for more information (and hopefully better odds) in round B.
Ace is doing his usual and very useless "you can't have any reads on day1" thing. Then he's like "I'm just going to be an asshole no matter what you do" which is equally useless. All Ace can do day1 is yell at other people for having bad reads.
I kinda like Mr. Wiggles but I don't exactly know why. I also like Foolishness and Palmogisfield. I don't have any scum reads.
I feel like you're all speaking in russian. I'm looking forward to round B because then I'll have five votes like the rest of you that I can use however I want.
Dunno.
On May 01 2012 08:07 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 08:05 Cephiro wrote:
On May 01 2012 08:01 prplhz wrote:
Ace likes the hypothetical "what if everybody is an asshole?", well then this game is lost already now isn't it?
Please don't tell me you're saying you don't know how to make reads on assholes?
I don't but that was not what I meant. If everybody just do something semi-random all game long then we're not going to win because we can't organize anything while scum will be able to perfectly organize themselves. If people stopped doing semi-random stuff and for the most did what appeared to be the most townie thing then we'd be running with the Palmogisfield plan right now. Meh, it's useless since round B is coming up soon.
It’s somewhat difficult to prove the last one since prplhz has decided not to grace us with his presence for the lynch discussion. For a tl;dr, I will say this. Prplhz has been apathetic to the extreme. He’s avoided making any real statements and when he has, he’s qualified them with his own indecision. He’s playing a game that’s a far cry from what I’ve seen town prplhz do. He has exhibited basically a textbook example of what scum look like, and since I know what he’s capable of, he’s not getting off the hook with the noob excuse anymore. Anyone who puts votes on prplhz is gonna face my wrath. For those who are curious, here's town prplhz http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=126438And here's scum prplhz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=126438
While I don't necessarily agree with M_Z's meta arguement against prplhz (the games where prpl talked about setup more were both themed games), the various points indicating prplhz Mafia traits are comprehensive and well thought out, including his lack of scumhunting and lurky indecision. I honestly don't see why a bunch of people think prplhz is very townie.
However, prplhz indication that he has been busy and is now catching up seems pretty genuine to me, from posts like this:
On May 02 2012 05:09 prplhz wrote:
honestly, i don't expect to live through the day. hopefully i'll have the energy to put more effort into this game tomorrow 'cause it's quite disappointing what i've done so far.
it sounds like he might have been a busy townie, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, for now.
This reflects most of my thoughts of how the game has been going on, as has been discussed with people in PMs. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 02 2012 07:28. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
People I'm voting for
I'm putting 2 votes on Meapak_Ziphh and 2 votes on Mr. Wiggles.
For M_Z, his reaction to Palmar's plan sounded genuinely concerned with town's wellbeing, his response to VE's case on WBG, and his efforts towards scumhunting make me think he is town.
For Mr. Wiggles, his response to my jab about his plan and his responses to the Cephiro/gonzaw back and forth make me think he is town.
I've also been active in PMs with both and they have been very transparent; I am giving them 2 votes a pop to ensure their survival. I'm keeping my last vote in the pocket just incase some shenanigans arise. |
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| Ace United States. May 02 2012 07:39. Posts 13596 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm giving my votes to players I feel are Scum. Those guys seem much more fun to play with and I'd rather keep them around. |
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| Katina United States. May 02 2012 07:40. Posts 454 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.
That being said, my scumreads are:
Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee
Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.
I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.
O.o I like this. If I had a dime for a everytime someone called me scum without reasoning I would have enough hookers to serve the entire mafia community. Rawr.
After going back and rereading, I think that Radfield, VE, Sandroba, EcholenTee should die in the Majority.
I have explained Rafield and EcholenTee in one of my previous posts.
VE and Sandroba should die for not helping the town. By the way Palmar is Mafia. |
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| Ace United States. May 02 2012 07:42. Posts 13596 | Profile Blog # |
People are as usual misunderstanding me.
I don't have an attitude - I just dont care.
bwahahahahahahahahaha |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 02 2012 07:42. Posts 9734 | Profile Blog # |
On May 02 2012 07:40 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.
That being said, my scumreads are:
Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee
Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.
I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.
O.o I like this. If I had a dime for a everytime someone called me scum without reasoning I would have enough hookers to serve the entire mafia community. Rawr. After going back and rereading, I think that Radfield, VE, Sandroba, EcholenTee should die in the Majority. I have explained Rafield and EcholenTee in one of my previous posts. VE and Sandroba should die for not helping the town. By the way Palmar is Mafia.
...but not for being scum. Noted madame. <3 |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 02 2012 07:44. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.
That being said, my scumreads are:
Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee
Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.
I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.
Posting a list of scumreads without reasoning? That seems familiar. In the words of Mementoss,
Die scum
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| EchelonTee United States. May 02 2012 07:51. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 02:57 Katina wrote:
Those who are though that I am suspicious of are:
EcholenTee: He has been missing for a majority of the game. Last game I was in with him, he was vocal and not MIA for this long.
I already mentioned I was busy with school, and have since stepped up my activity. In the last game we played (TL Mafia LI), I was only vocal early because I got attacked by Risen. Otherwise, my style of posting larger posts in more varied intervals has not changed. If you're going to continue accusing me of being scum, make a complete case please, lest you be accused of being hypocritical (since people always accuse you with no reasoning lololol) |
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| Foolishness United States. May 02 2012 07:53. Posts 2326 | Profile Blog # |
| Someone should just compile a spreadsheet of what everyone who has claimed has voted. Then we can just work with whoever's leftover and get the proper people lynched (sandroba, VE, radfield preferably). |
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| Foolishness United States. May 02 2012 07:58. Posts 2326 | Profile Blog # |
| I also feel that at this point any attempt to get multiple people lynched by tying up the votes will result in an absolute mess and lead to a random person dying. So I think it's best if we just try to get one person lynched for the time being. If we can someone get multiple of the top suspects lynched then we can, but that's gravy. |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 02 2012 07:58. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
wbg told me (PMs) that he had a spreadsheet done and would post it after he comes from work or something.
I'm waiting for him atm.
@VE: *sigh* really? Random list of scumreads with 0 reasoning behind them?
@Katina: Could you give more thorough reasoning for thinking ET/Radfield are scum? At least taking into account their recent play/lack of play? And again post some reasoning for thinking Palmar is mafia. |
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| Cephiro Finland. May 02 2012 07:58. Posts 662 | Profile # |
| I have caught up on the thread, and I am going to answer to people that have PMed me in my absence, as well as first defend accusations that I've got yet again, and then move on to talk about the voting. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. May 02 2012 08:09. Posts 4152 | Profile Blog # |
I'll be giving one of my votes to Sheth as I think he should stick around and I haven't seen anyone else vouch for him yet. I'll also probably throw some votes at EchelonTee and Cephiro. I'm really annoyed by VE's meltdown, I had a pretty good feel for him but now that's all shot.
I'm not sending my votes in yet. I want to make sure that people I feel are townie don't die because people forgot them.
Also it's nice being back on my own account :D |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 02 2012 08:10. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 06:01 syllogism wrote:
Yes, in a game where cooperation is essential we are stuck with some players who are completely incapable of doing that. I'm sure they aren't all mafia and even if they are, I think they would be playing in a quite similar fashion anyway.
Where exactly is our cooperation failing us? Even though things got contentious with the plans and what not, I feel like the game is progressing fairly cordially. Contenting ourselves with one lynch atm is fine by me.
RE: Sandroba
He hasn't been been his plan-happy self from Space Station Mafia even a little bit, and from what people have been saying about him through PMs, he hasn't been disinterested and apathetic. The only other game I have played with him, TL Mafia L, he was pretty lurky as scum, so this lines up. I was waiting for him to respond to how accusations/post reads of his own (as WBG said he would be doing), but it's been a while now.
I would be fine with him as a secondary lynch, but with VE dumping votes on him I don't see how he will die today. If his busy-ness due to Brazillian parties or whatever is genuine, he now has a chance to step up his play.
I'll be back before deadline to confirm my final votes and what not. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 02 2012 08:10. Posts 9734 | Profile Blog # |
| Don't give up on me guys. I GOT SO MUCH LOVE TO GIVE ITS RETARDED!!! |
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