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| Palmar Iceland. May 04 2012 02:30. Posts 7576 | Profile Blog # |
| Are you accusing me of being scum, or are you just randomly trying to undermine me because why not? |
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| Cephiro Finland. May 04 2012 02:31. Posts 662 | Profile # |
On May 04 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote:
what's your point cephiro?
lol
You like blaming townies for scum and try to get them killed. Luckily you play bad enough to not have the influence for that, otherwise we could gg already. You suck at finding townies. |
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| Cephiro Finland. May 04 2012 02:33. Posts 662 | Profile # |
On May 04 2012 02:30 Palmar wrote:
Are you accusing me of being scum, or are you just randomly trying to undermine me because why not?
At the moment I am leaning more on the side that you are scum, since I can't believe you would play that badly as town. I'm starting to think I've overestimated your abilities though. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. May 04 2012 02:39. Posts 4148 | Profile Blog # |
On May 04 2012 02:13 Palmar wrote:
oh my bad, I was just browsing your filter.
Meh, I was hoping for something on sandroba, I didn't notice that your filter on motbob was 2 pages.
prplhz is confirmed town anyway.
If prplhz is in the majority he's dying today. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. May 04 2012 02:42. Posts 4148 | Profile Blog # |
On May 04 2012 02:19 syllogism wrote:Very cute Meapak, let me guess, you are "trapping here". I know you are smarter than to actually believe I'm mafia, so that leaves just one alternative
Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
My team was actually all online so we were able to arrange it ^^
Let's cut to the chase here, I think we can help each other.
We'll be willing to exchange answers if you guys are.
Actually yeah, I do think you're mafia. I know you weren't going to be stupid enough to play ball with me but since this was the PM you had originally sent me:
Original Message From syllogism:
So which answer did you send in, yes or no?
I'm obviously town, so there is no reason not to share this information
I couldn't help but to do something equally retarded. |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 04 2012 03:08. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
I guess not even those that made the other plan in the first place will try to follow mine *sigh*
Well, I'll try to think and come up with something better then (if any of you still want to follow the plan then still put ##Vote in the thread, at least I'll know you actually want to cooperate this round).
@Cephiro: I see you keep instantly OMGUSing those that call you scum then?
The ONLY scumreads that weren't blatant OMGUSes I've read from you were sandroba/prplhz, but you just mentioned them once and put 0 reasoning behind them
@Meapak: You still haven't explained why Cephiro is "not the best lynch target"
@Wiggles: Hey dude, I saw you've been absent from the discussion for a while. What are your current thoughts on Cephiro and BC? |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. May 04 2012 03:17. Posts 4148 | Profile Blog # |
prplhz and sandroba are better lynch targets. Syllo as well though I'm going to have to read through his filter again and make sure he's actually scum and not just bad.
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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 04 2012 03:24. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
Okay, so prp/sandroba are "better" lynch targets than Cephiro, therefore Cephiro is "not the best lynch target".
Like I said, if we plan accordingly we can lynch several players at once this game, so what makes you completely ignore Cephiro then?
Even if we lynch only 1 player each time and you want to lynch someone else, do you think Cephiro is town or not? |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. May 04 2012 03:42. Posts 4148 | Profile Blog # |
On May 04 2012 03:24 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, so prp/sandroba are "better" lynch targets than Cephiro, therefore Cephiro is "not the best lynch target".
Like I said, if we plan accordingly we can lynch several players at once this game, so what makes you completely ignore Cephiro then?
Even if we lynch only 1 player each time and you want to lynch someone else, do you think Cephiro is town or not?
lol you need to read some older games. Making massive lists where you label everyone town or scum is retarded and never helps. No one is confirmed until they die so there's obviously a chance cephiro is scum, however at this point I think he's much more likely to be town.
I'm actually not going to reply to your posts anymore, if you really want to argue then PM me. You've tunneled cephiro to the extreme and it's really gotten annoying. Go do some scum hunting (because contrary to what you might think, tunneling cephiro isn't that).
Actually I read back through your filter for teh lulz. If I were you, I'd immediately stop posting random accusation (you had like 6 or 7). I'd go back through your own filter and pick 2 or 3 of these people (not cephiro, we already know how you feel about him), and try and make a case rather than simply making veiled comments. If you need help I can even give you some names which you've brought up before. You've accused a lot of people, I think you should make something of those accusations. |
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| Cephiro Finland. May 04 2012 03:45. Posts 662 | Profile # |
@ Gonzaw, stop being so fucking obsessed with me. I know I am sexy and all that but you're getting worse than my stalkers.
You do realize that it's not always OMGUS if you suspect someone being scum for attacking you, if you back it up with good reasons. If everyone thought in that well-crafted mindset of yours, TL games would be this:
Game Starts
Scum blames everyone
Anyone blaming them back is blatant omgus and gets lynched
Scum wins gg. |
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| Palmar Iceland. May 04 2012 04:09. Posts 7576 | Profile Blog # | |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 04 2012 04:25. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
*sigh*
@Meapak: Cephiro is either Town Idiot or scum, you pick. If you decide to defend him I need more reasons than "I think he's much more likely to be town" and you flipping your shit against me if you want me to believe you.
As for the "random accusations", I'm not pointing fingers at everybody and trying to get them all lynched just because. I'm posting my thoughts on as many people as I can as I play the game.
Some people, like sandroba/prpr/BC said they were busy/at holidays/playing badly because of X and would up their game and be more active. As you can see I'm waiting for that to happen.
However, at this point in time I think it's most likely they are doing it on purpose and are scum since they've had plenty of time to contribute since then (specially sandroba).
chaoser is another one. The thing that made me less confident about pushing him is that a lot of people were starting to think he was town all of a sudden, and I thought something was going on in PM-land that made them think that.
Yet I didn't receive any info from anyone about this, and chaoser himself isn't responding to my PMs either, so I don't know wtf happened.
I thought Radfield was town on D1, however sloosh's recent disappearance worries me. I'd hope he had posted thoughts of his own by now, but I'm willing to wait him to do so.
The thing is that I have various town reads, and then there are obvious scum (Cephiro) and people that don't even try to care about the game, be active or contribute. Choosing which one is scum from that pool of players is not easy if nobody does shit.
Anyways, I have a test in 1 hour or so so I'll be gone until 3-2 hours before Round A ends. After I come back I'll look at more filters though, I haven't really checked Meapak's or Sheth's thoroughly yet |
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| slOosh May 04 2012 04:56. Posts 1908 | Profile # |
Alright. Replacing Radfield.
@Palmer
I don't know why Radfield cast his votes the way he did. Only guess I have is his last post
On May 02 2012 12:47 Radfield wrote:
I just did.
I skimmed for a vote count and went off a post a few pages ago.
I sent in 3 on prplhz and 2 on cephiro, should take them both to 9.
I'm off to bed.
I'm not sure how the spreadsheet developed. Does anyone know where Radfield may have anticipated 3 votes to come from? Because prplhz would have died without Rad's votes, but Rad thought he already had 6.
The thing that pops out most for me is Sandroba's early game suggestion
On May 01 2012 01:46 sandroba wrote:
I'm already thinking about round B and I think the optimal way is to claim all votes and spread them across your top 5 town reads from the pool of 10 players left. That way is the hardest for scum to save their dude and provides the most information. That's because scum can provide at max 2 votes on their teamates to make them avoid being lynched and scummy dudes will end up being lynched on average.
Which is really dangerous as claiming all votes allows for more scum manipulation, and while it is true that it is hard for scum to save a certain individual, the same exact thing applies for townies. This plan would no doubt result in townie casualties.
But what throws me off is that Ace (flipped town) and Foolishness (strong scum hunter) don't think he is scum.
So I'm kind of torn in this who-should-I-sheep business which includes Radfield who is a good player and confirmed town to me. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. May 04 2012 05:06. Posts 4148 | Profile Blog # | |
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| slOosh May 04 2012 05:17. Posts 1908 | Profile # |
Total Votes
Cephiro: 13 - (chaoser 4, Sheth 4, Ace 2, Radfield 2, Meapak 1)
Mr Wiggles: 13 - (Katina 3, EchelonTee 2, syllogism 2, wherebugsgo 2, gonzaw 1, Palmar 1, prplhz 1, sandroba 1)
Meapak_Ziphh: 11 - (Ace 2, EchelonTee 2, Katina 2, chaoser 1, Mr. Wiggles 1, Palmar 1, Sheth 1, syllogism 1)
Echelon Tee: 10 - (gonzaw 2, Mr. Wiggles 2, wherebugsgo 2, Cephiro 1, Meapak 1, Palmar 1, sandroba 1)
Chaoser: 9 - (Foolishness 3, Meapak 2, BloodyC0bbler 1, EchelonTee 1, Mr. Wiggles 1, sandroba 1)
Liquid`Sheth: 8 - (BloodyC0bbler 4, Foolishness 2, Ace 1, Meapak 1)
Radfield: 8 - (gonzaw 2, syllogism 2, Mr. Wiggles 1, Palmar 1, prplhz 1, sandroba 1)
Prplhz: 6 - (Radfield 3, Palmar 1, sandroba 1, wherebugsgo 1)
Sandroba: 5 - (VisceraEyes 5)
VisceraEyes: 4 - (Cephiro 4)
Votes from Majority
Cephiro: 11 - (chaoser 4, Sheth 4, Radfield 2, Meapak 1)
MrWiggles: 5 - (EchelonTee 2, gonzaw 1, prplhz 1, sandroba 1)
Meapak_Ziphh: 5 - (EchelonTee 2, chaoser 1, Mr. Wiggles 1, Sheth 1)
EchelonTee: 5 - (Mr. Wiggles 2, Cephiro 1, Meapak 1, sandroba 1)
Chaoser: 5 - (Meapak 2, EchelonTee 1, Mr. Wiggles 1, sandroba 1)
Liquid`Sheth: 1 - (Meapak 1)
Radfield: 3 - (Mr. Wiggles 1, prplhz 1, sandroba 1)
Prplhz: 4 - (Radfield 3, sandroba 1)
Sandroba: 5 - (VisceraEyes 5)
VisceraEyes: 4 - (Cephiro 4)
Votes from Minority
Cephiro: 2 - (Ace 2)
MrWiggles: 9 - (Katina 3, syllogism 2, wherebugsgo 2, gonzaw 1, Palmar 1)
Meapak_Ziphh: 6 - (Ace 2, Katina 2, Palmar 1, syllogism 1)
EchelonTee: 5 - (gonzaw 2, wherebugsgo 2, Palmar 1)
Chaoser: 4 - (Foolishness 3, BloodyC0bbler 1)
Liquid`Sheth: 7 - (BloodyC0bbler 4, Foolishness 2, Ace 1)
Radfield: 5 - (gonzaw 2, syllogism 2, Palmar 1)
Prplhz: 2 - (Palmar 1, wherebugsgo 1)
Sandroba: 0 - (n/a)
VisceraEyes: 0 - (n/a)
Is there any way to obtain the progress of the spreadsheet? I feel like there is a wealth of information there.
Like, how is it Sheth only got 1 vote from minority or Cephiro received 2 from majority?
WBG could you make the order of PMs public if you have them? |
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| prplhz Denmark. May 04 2012 05:22. Posts 3911 | Profile Blog # |
hey i have some pms with radfield and now that he's gone i thought i'd just post them 'cause even sloosh seems confused
i also asked radfield why he voted for me but he didn't answer (before he /out'ed) so i'm not gonna post those
+ Show Spoiler [pms with RADFIELD] +
Original Message From Radfield: I don't know what you signed up for either, so lets figure it out  I'm just thinking that given the unwillingness of town right to work together right now, I see no reason for them to be willing to co-operate in round 2. So we need to gather up townies who are willing to work together, and use our votes in an intelligent fashion. If everyone is just helter skelter voting in round 2, mafia have already won.
Show nested quote +Original Message From prplhz: dunno what i apparently just signed up to but if it makes sense then i'm probably going to like it!
Original Message From Radfield: Fuck ya! Lets be friends and have our own circle of co-operation We can add in other people who are like minded, and use our voting block to get things done in a pro-town fashion.
Original Message From prplhz:
yea!
subject was "you know i am" and it was in response to his post where he asked people to pm him if they wanted to cooperate.
also i
+ Show Spoiler [stumbled upon this] +
On May 01 2012 09:24 chaoser wrote:
here, let me ask a question to you radfield. What's the difference between people in the minority and the majority? Minority can't die right? Why would you take away a threat to a player like that? It makes no sense.
If you have a system in place to make it so that round 2 proceeds in an orderly manner then everything works out perfectly. I sent this to WBG already but I'll post it here as well.
for round two, it's based on whoever has the lowest points will be lynched right? so I was thinking of basing it on a gradient system. Most scummy, no points. We then have the rest pass points in a system following the player order.
so lets say it's like 5 people in the majority and 1 person in the minority. that's 25 points. lets say we think a is mafia. so the players are a, b, c, d, e, f
we think f is townie so he's in minority cause we need one. we move onto round 2.
b gives all his points to c, c gives all his points to d, d gives to e, e gives to b. If we all circle then a will have zero points. even if mafia was trying to save a, the two teams members would have to give 6 points total to save him. Because of the circle system, there's no way a can make back the deficient with his 5 points for both his teammates; one of his teammates will be adjacent to someone without 5 votes. That person is also mafia then.
f will be giving his votes, spread as evenly as possible, into the crowd of b, c, d, e. If things look wrong then f is suspicious.
WBG suggested to me that we do it so that everyone only cycles 4 votes and they give their one vote to whomever they want so that accountability would be an element and I agree. There's no way a would be able to get out of this situation unless his teammates out themselves.
and thought i'd comment even though it's old if there's only 1 guy in minority then at least 2 of any scum team is in majority. say A is mafia but so is his mate, C. so A trades 4 votes to D so that they're not missing, C trades his 4 votes that was meant for D to A and now everybody has 4 votes, which is clearly not desirable. now people are going to die unless they get more votes and with a 1 person minority that's somewhat unlikely to happen. if chaoser had only suggested the 5 votes vote circle then we would have been even more screwed, everybody would die except the people F decided to trade and F himself. in short, this strategy is broken/crazy isn't it? or did i miss something i'm bad with plans. it seems like it only appears to be working because he chose a rather small example, with 17 player majority and 1 player minority this strategy would be crazy. with 10/8 i'm a little unsure why it would be desirable to take so much accountability and power away from majority and give it to minority, when you are the same time don't want to try to implement a plan that would make it more likely that the minority was mostly town aligned. seems like a 10/8 split would kind of ruin the idea of circle trading since everybody would die if A has a scum buddy in the minority
is there any voting plan for round A today?
i'm catching up! |
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| prplhz Denmark. May 04 2012 05:49. Posts 3911 | Profile Blog # |
| really, nobody want to talk about any of this? |
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 Liquid`Sheth United States. May 04 2012 06:12. Posts 2025 | Profile Blog # |
Heyo,
So I figured I'll reveal what I told syllo in Pm's a bit ago. Whenever I was mafia with Gonzaw in a newbie game a while back he was just always raging and mad and just very angry. I think Gonzaw started off with that sort of thing with his oppinions against Cephiro. So that was why I thought there was a chance hes mafia.
I haven't been reading too too closely, but the fact that Cephiro put 4 votes on VE makes him look a small percentage better. Cephiro is still probably one of my top candidates for being town. As for being mafia I'm really unsure other then Gonzaw. Syllo scares me, and I scare him so I suppose there could be something there.
I sent in my vote for YES again. Just because I don't know when I'll be able to check everything again. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 04 2012 06:12. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
Catching up on PMs and thread atm prplhz, I'll get to you.
I'm fn baffled Ace was town. Honestly scum did us a favor by removing his trolling apathy from the game. |
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| slOosh May 04 2012 06:15. Posts 1908 | Profile # |
I want to talk! I feel so out of the loop with all this PM land business.
With the cycle plan, I suppose it is one of the improbable but should be noted points where even though we say that scum won't out themselves to save their buddy, if it means that multiple townies die then they would be willing to make such a trade.
But it seems from the results that people just voted in a way to get certain people lynched (i.e. Sandroba and VisceraEyes). |
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