| syllogism Finland. May 07 2012 23:36. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
| Who do you think should be killed today, Chaoser? Everything we said about you on day 1 still applies, including what Foolishness said and he has flipped town. Have you been PMing anyone at all? Got logs with meapak and sandroba? |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 00:02. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
On May 07 2012 23:36 syllogism wrote:
Who do you think should be killed today, Chaoser? Everything we said about you on day 1 still applies, including what Foolishness said and he has flipped town. Have you been PMing anyone at all? Got logs with meapak and sandroba?
The only people I've been in contact with in PMs is WBG and gonzaw. I sent foolishness a PM early on but it didn't amount to anything since he was townie. I don't think MZ should be lynched though. I thought he played the game in a very open manner at the start of the game and he was one of the few people that actually agreed with Ace that the palmar plan was stupid. Seeing as how right now it looks like only a survivor has KP, I'd suggest we drag this game out as long as possible. More voting data=more chances for foolishness-like voting analysis. Mafia have no KP and WBG has almost total control over round B and I very much doubt he is mafia since if he was he could have screwed over town supremely by now. I say we lynch one person a cycle. Time is obviously not on the mafia's side. I would like Sheth lynched today. |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 00:06. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
| Oh, I forgot, I PMed Ceph too |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 00:09. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
Original Message From Cephiro:
May I know your reasoning for giving me 4 votes during round B?
Original Message From chaoser:
I gave my 4 votes early because of my cycle plan (you were next to me). Sandroba should have been lynched. what do you think of ET?
Original Message From Cephiro:
Okay, thanks for clarifying it up. At the moment ET seems quite okay to me. I currently wouldn't pressure him at all, if he's up to something I'd rather let him think he's safe.
Original Message From chaoser:
Does does that mean? if he seems ok, why would he be "up to something" and why would you want him to "feel safe"?
Original Message From Cephiro:
I'll try to make it easy:
For now I'm ok with him = I don't think he is a threat = I am not currently getting very much scumvibes off him
Being up to something IF he happened to be scum. That is still a possibility, although currently I do not find it likely. It's better for me if the scum thinks that they haven't been found, and then I can come and flip my tables.
Original Message From chaoser:
Who are your scum reads then? What do you think of BC and sandro? What about palmar and syllo?
From: Cephiro [ 480 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Liar Game
Date: 5/4/12 11:00
BC is fine, I don't really like sandros play atm, I think syllo is town but something just seems wrong about their duo/buddyplay. Needless to say I don't like Palmar atm either.
PMs in order with him. He doesn't give me much to work with though, skips over my scum read question.
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| syllogism Finland. May 08 2012 00:12. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
| You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda |
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| Cephiro Finland. May 08 2012 00:27. Posts 662 | Profile # |
On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote:
You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda
1) I am still not mafia
2) We all have our own playstyles
3) Please do tell me your opinion of the setup, you think only one mafia faction has kp, or that the other kp has been blocked every night, or that one of the factions have refused to use it? Pssh... |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 00:30. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote:
You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda
huh? was this directed at me? |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 00:31. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
| what claim are you talking about? his vigi claim? |
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| syllogism Finland. May 08 2012 00:32. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
| Of course, you are the one who is building our strategy around a likely fake claim/joke |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 00:37. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 00:32 syllogism wrote:
Of course, you are the one who is building our strategy around a likely fake claim/joke
I'm confused...I'm not building our strategy around a fake claim joke? I don't even mention him being a vigi as part of the plan? And I thought everyone already knows he's not a vigi. |
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| syllogism Finland. May 08 2012 00:40. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
| Palmar implied that cephiro claimed that he is a survivor with kp, which he sort of did with his jackpot comment. Anyway, you are still building our strategy around an unlikely scenario. We've our own theories as to why there has been only one KP every night and they seem more likely than there being a survivor who can basically claim on day 1 and then just tell town to direct his KP |
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| Cephiro Finland. May 08 2012 00:42. Posts 662 | Profile # |
On May 08 2012 00:40 syllogism wrote:
Palmar implied that cephiro claimed that he is a survivor with kp, which he sort of did with his jackpot comment. Anyway, you are still building our strategy around an unlikely scenario. We've our own theories as to why there has been only one KP every night and they seem more likely than there being a survivor who can basically claim on day 1 and then just tell town to direct his KP
So please tell me, how would I be sure I possess the only KP in the game during D1? |
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| syllogism Finland. May 08 2012 00:43. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
| Citation please and how would you know that as a "survivor" who has KP |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 00:49. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 00:40 syllogism wrote:
Palmar implied that cephiro claimed that he is a survivor with kp, which he sort of did with his jackpot comment. Anyway, you are still building our strategy around an unlikely scenario. We've our own theories as to why there has been only one KP every night and they seem more likely than there being a survivor who can basically claim on day 1 and then just tell town to direct his KP
Where does he claim survivor? Sloosh is the first person to talk about survivors in the first place
On May 06 2012 14:28 slOosh wrote:
Oh. I suppose a 3rd party w/ 1KP playing survivor is possible. Yea that makes more sense than town vig with multiple shots hitting townies / multiple vigs.
Either way, let's say it's mafia that's somehow controlling that one kp, how does lengthening the game help them there? More information to work with is better. Every time I play mafia, I try to end the game as early as possible because I know the longer the game the more connections and posting that needs to be done so it's harder and harder for mafia to go by unnoticed. Having one KP in an 18 man game ain't that great for mafia in the first place. Obviously the way to win for them is to take control of round b and get multiple townies killed now that we've only seen one KP every night cycle.
On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote:
You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda
Are you sure you're not just trying to make things fit your agenda and gameview? |
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| slOosh May 08 2012 01:06. Posts 1946 | Profile # |
| So we don't kill them not because they have a good chance of flipping townies but in order to extract more information? |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 01:11. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote:
So we don't kill them not because they have a good chance of flipping townies but in order to extract more information?
No? We don't kill multiple people cause they HAVE a chance of flipping townie. At the same time a longer game being more information. Why are you misrepresenting what I'm saying? The two things are not exclusive of each other.
@Syllo
On May 03 2012 18:32 Palmar wrote:
The Ace kill was probably an attempt to kill scum, in any case it's probably helpful to us.
I don't think a plan like gonzaw's is going to work at this point in the game, simply because now we have some pretty solid opinions about who we want to lynch. Do you think BC is going to comply with the plan if he's voted to be in the majority?
The whole reason why my plan could've worked on day 1 is not because it allows us to specifically kill a certain player, it's because it allowed us to sort of figure out what people were doing and thinking while narrowing the pool of potential players to be lynched. The whole point was that we were not set in on whom we were going to lynch. Today, there is simply no way the prime suspects are going to comply with a plan, they'll just attempt to be in the minority at all costs.
I think we're going to have to randomize our answers.
Can you clarify something for me then. With your theories, why was Ace killed then? Either he was killed as "an attempt to kill scum" or he was killed because what he was saying was on the right track to finding mafia. The first one discredits Ace's posts indirectly by saying Ace's posts were scummy and thus not helpful. The second one would obviously mean Ace was on the right track.
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| syllogism Finland. May 08 2012 01:18. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
| I don't even know what you are trying to say there and how that is suddenly relevant. One of the reasons we suspected BC/Ceph was because there aren't many people in this game who would, as mafia, shoot ace n1. He may have been shot because bc/ceph consider him a good town player, because they thought he may be mafia or because they thought doing so would make us look more suspicious. Doesn't particularly matter. Why do you think foolishness was shot? He agreed with us on almost everything. |
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| chaoser United States. May 08 2012 01:38. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
He was obviously the first person to make a compelling case against BC with his list analysis. BC flipped mafia, if mafia control KP then obviously Foolishness would be a high target hit. It was either going to be a hit on foolish or on WBG last night.
Ok, so what are your theories on how the KP works. Either there's a third party SK or mafia control the KP. Do they share the KP? Is it alternating (one team gets it one day, the other the next day). None of those make much sense. Fact of the matter is, Ace was probably killed by mafia cause he was making sense. In both of those cases, where mafia only have limited KP, there's no reason, on day 1, for mafia to try to shoot other mafia. I told WBG about this but the ratio is 4:1:1 so both teams are outnumbered. Given the choice, mafia aren't going to be shooting people on day 1 cause they seem scummy, it's because they think they're trying to weed out town.
Either way, lets get back to other issues, why do you think MZ should get killed? |
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| syllogism Finland. May 08 2012 01:50. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
I'm not going to go into detail because I'm lazy and can make it happen anyway, barring mafia interference. Basically his only case so far in the game has been a very weak case on prplhz and he has made several quite suspicious claims in and out of the threat. His activity has also drastically dropped when it became apparent palmar/me/wbg and foolishness got control of the game. You defending him for no reason only serves to increase our suspicions as chaoser/meapak team makes quite a bit of sense.
Here are some choice quotes from his PM conversations with foolishness:
"I have to be honest with you, the only people I'm really certain about are prplhz/sandroba. I really don't have anyone who I'm sure is town, it's all shades of gray"
"I'm fairly certain Palmar is third party." <-- so he can't find any townies but he is "fairly certain" that palmar is a third party?
"And on the contrary, I think me flipping a coin is highlighting the idiocy of trying to arrange plans for round A." (<-- this was a defensive reply to foolishness disapproving him coin flipping)
Meapak is a good player, but has demonstrated none of that in this game. |
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| syllogism Finland. May 08 2012 01:53. Posts 5348 | Profile # |
He also said this:
Here's the scum:
sandroba, prplhz, radfield/sloosh, syllogism, wiggles, ____
When foolishness suggested sheth/chaoser, he didn't comment |
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