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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 11 2012 04:00. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
Wiggles, how do you come from:
1)Being neutral about the lynch, and just asking some things about Meapak
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2)Wishy washy stance on Palmar
On May 10 2012 14:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Right now there's 6 town and 5 scum. I'm a mislynch, so I propose we kill Palmar today, since I feel best about him being scum at this point.
I don't think we can multi-lynch effectively right now. We have people who are supposed to get lynched as soon as they hit the majority, so they can screw with a multi-lynch without any fear, essentially. Also, we're at the point where we can't unnecessarily kill any townies, or we lose control of the lynch more than we already have.
It's getting to the point where scum will have to shoot the other scum team, or they'll risk losing in a king-maker scenario where town gets to pick who wins, which I'm sure would be unsatisfactory, or to pure numbers of the other team if too much KP hits the town or town mislynches too many at once and gets their numbers wiped out. So, they should keep that in mind when they send in kills tonight.
Then to:
3)Being fully convinced Palmar is scum and making a huge case against him?
Why is it that only now, when you are in danger of dying, that you actually make a case and take a strong stance on someone? It didn't take you too long to convince yourself that Palmar is scum and make a case against him, so why couldn't you do it before? |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 11 2012 04:16. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
... Wiggles is making a lot of sense. Sloosh s attack post (fear mongering, scum planning) is absurd/wrong. Mz's case is good but not conclusive. I mislynched wiggles butt in jubjub as scum using similar reasons. I've felt wiggles was town for a while and seeing recent posts/reactions is convincing me that wiggles is town; I don't see how sentiment dropped so sharply towards him.
In school can't write full response. but I don't want wiggles dying. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 11 2012 04:31. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
| I'm assuming companion cube is cephiro? That wasn't made clear. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. May 11 2012 04:45. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
On May 11 2012 04:00 gonzaw wrote:Wiggles, how do you come from: 1)Being neutral about the lynch, and just asking some things about Meapak To: 2)Wishy washy stance on Palmar
Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 14:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Right now there's 6 town and 5 scum. I'm a mislynch, so I propose we kill Palmar today, since I feel best about him being scum at this point.
I don't think we can multi-lynch effectively right now. We have people who are supposed to get lynched as soon as they hit the majority, so they can screw with a multi-lynch without any fear, essentially. Also, we're at the point where we can't unnecessarily kill any townies, or we lose control of the lynch more than we already have.
It's getting to the point where scum will have to shoot the other scum team, or they'll risk losing in a king-maker scenario where town gets to pick who wins, which I'm sure would be unsatisfactory, or to pure numbers of the other team if too much KP hits the town or town mislynches too many at once and gets their numbers wiped out. So, they should keep that in mind when they send in kills tonight.
Then to: 3)Being fully convinced Palmar is scum and making a huge case against him? Why is it that only now, when you are in danger of dying, that you actually make a case and take a strong stance on someone? It didn't take you too long to convince yourself that Palmar is scum and make a case against him, so why couldn't you do it before?
First, I didn't make posts about the lynch, because we didn't have the majority yet. There's no point in making a case on Palmar if he's not going to be able to get lynched. The post you linked to, is my first post after the majority is revealed, where I could actually choose someone who's able to be lynched. So, I'm not being neutral about the lynch, I'm just waiting to know who I can lynch. If you actually read my last post, I was suspicious of Palmar last night phase already, so it isn't like this is new.
Next, how is saying "I feel best about him being scum at this point." and that we should kill him a wishy-washy stance? It seems like basic reading comprehension, but please tell me how you think saying that is "wishy-washy"? "I feel best about" means that he's my strongest scum-read for lynch candidates, and saying we should kill him, means exactly that.
So, there's no leap between saying that and my last post, unless you're not paying any attention to what's going on. That post says I think Palmar is scum and I want to lynch him, and my last post gives my reasons.
On day 1, I wanted to lynch VE, I did so. On Day 2, I wanted to lynch BC, and did so, and on Day 3 I wanted to kill Sheth, and did so as well. I'm not sure how helping kill who I want dead is not taking a strong stance. My votes make my stance clear, and I also show it in thread for Day 1 and 3, if not as much on Day 2 because I didn't post a lot then while I was busy. The rest of it's in PMs if you need me to dig them up.
Multi-lynches haven't worked, so why am I going to bring up cases on people when they aren't the ones I want to lynch yet? You call me out for not making a case on earlier days, but I didn't want to lynch someone else on earlier days, so there was no point in trying to make a push for it. Instead of asking why I didn't, why don't you explain why I should have? I'm making a case now, because I want Palmar to die, and need to get more people behind it. There are no other cases, except for on me, and people all saying Chaoser is scum without a case. So, if I want something to happen, I need to get support because it isn't there yet, and I need to do it myself, because nobody else seems to want to.
If you can't see that I'm town, or at least that Palmar is scum, you're blind and we're going to lose. This is directed to whichever townies are actually left and still reading. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 11 2012 05:06. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
Wiggles, your opinion on chaoser?
Palmar, your opinion on Wiggles?
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| Katina United States. May 11 2012 05:08. Posts 454 | Profile # |
Palmar > Wiggles.
Don't see how this is even an argument. I am fine with chaoser and Palmar dying. |
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| prplhz Denmark. May 11 2012 05:09. Posts 3921 | Profile Blog # |
| We kinda need to agree on something here. I'm planning on trying to keep Palmar alive so you're going to have a problem if you want to kill him. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 11 2012 05:11. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 01:36 slOosh wrote:1st - who the heck is companion cube? 2nd
Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 14:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Right now there's 6 town and 5 scum. I'm a mislynch, so I propose we kill Palmar today, since I feel best about him being scum at this point.
I don't think we can multi-lynch effectively right now. We have people who are supposed to get lynched as soon as they hit the majority, so they can screw with a multi-lynch without any fear, essentially. Also, we're at the point where we can't unnecessarily kill any townies, or we lose control of the lynch more than we already have.
It's getting to the point where scum will have to shoot the other scum team, or they'll risk losing in a king-maker scenario where town gets to pick who wins, which I'm sure would be unsatisfactory, or to pure numbers of the other team if too much KP hits the town or town mislynches too many at once and gets their numbers wiped out. So, they should keep that in mind when they send in kills tonight.
Mr. Wiggles is fearmongering. Its 6 town, 3 scum and 2 scum. He proposes that we kill Palmar but still hasn't provided any case / reasoning at all. At all. He is considered a serious lynch candidate but is still using his time to ask other's for their opinions rather than convincing people that Palmar is scum. And the last line - looks seriously like scum team suggesting something to the other scum team. Why would town make a suggestion for scum team and think they would listen? Town agenda conflicts with scum agenda. Most likely scum teams aligning agenda temporarily. Also betrays some understanding of the KP system. It was 1 shot D1, D2 and 2 shots D3. Straight up he assumes 2KP again.
It's not fearmongering, I came to the exact same conclusion. So did gonzaw; we are in dire straits atm. Wiggles not wanting any mislynchs is reasonable. Since he has now posted an extensive case on palmar, your point is moot.
Wanting the scum team to shoot other scum is a good thing. You're the one fearmongering making it seem like wiggles is making anti town agenda.
This is a really illogical post, and from you sloosh, it's weird as hell.
On May 11 2012 02:37 prplhz wrote:
I kinda want to just kill both chaoser and Mr. Wiggles.
Thanks for the contribution.
Posts like these are why I feel that the push on Wiggles is artifical and a quick mislynch. There has been no mounting suspicion on Wiggles; sure WBG posted some thoguhts on him the previous night, but he also was suspicious of Palmar and chaoser, no? Who else has thoguht Wiggles was scum? Everyone suddenly jumped on board with his lynch despite there being bigger following on chaoser (who no one is discussing much... reminds me of no one discussing BC). yes Wiggles has been wishywashy, but that isn't enough to call him scum and he's been open in thread, discussing his thoguhts freely. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 11 2012 05:11. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 05:08 Katina wrote:
Palmar > Wiggles.
Don't see how this is even an argument. I am fine with chaoser and Palmar dying.
ilu Katina <3
On May 11 2012 05:09 prplhz wrote:
We kinda need to agree on something here. I'm planning on trying to keep Palmar alive so you're going to have a problem if you want to kill him.
here's a thought. let's kill chaoser! |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 11 2012 05:14. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
Awesome things that chaoser has done in this day's entire cycle:
On May 09 2012 12:28 chaoser wrote:
woah...two kp?
On May 10 2012 12:44 chaoser wrote:
The black wind howls again...
Pretty comparable to contributive posts like this, eh?
On May 10 2012 12:51 sandroba wrote:
I live once more! Sorry prpl, if town lynched me we would auto lose.
On May 10 2012 16:28 sandroba wrote:
If you guys try to derive who is scum from me being scum you will always going to fail, because guess what: I'm not scum! I agree that we should mass lynch the majority though. Seems to be a lot of scum there. Yummy.
Wiggles you said "there no case on chaoser". Look at foolishness' D1 read. It's mfcking foolishness. Look at what chaoser has done the last 24h after being hammered on by syllo/WBG, who both flipped green. Look at how he's tried to spread doubt and confusion among our town leaders, then just shoot them down when the time is right. He's scum, and he's our lynch. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 11 2012 05:18. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
| My final is in 3 hours. I can't spend any more time in thread and will be back ~1 hour before deadline. No matter what, chaoser needs to die today; we can't afford a mislynch. |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 11 2012 05:52. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:00 gonzaw wrote:Wiggles, how do you come from: 1)Being neutral about the lynch, and just asking some things about Meapak To: 2)Wishy washy stance on Palmar
On May 10 2012 14:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Right now there's 6 town and 5 scum. I'm a mislynch, so I propose we kill Palmar today, since I feel best about him being scum at this point.
I don't think we can multi-lynch effectively right now. We have people who are supposed to get lynched as soon as they hit the majority, so they can screw with a multi-lynch without any fear, essentially. Also, we're at the point where we can't unnecessarily kill any townies, or we lose control of the lynch more than we already have.
It's getting to the point where scum will have to shoot the other scum team, or they'll risk losing in a king-maker scenario where town gets to pick who wins, which I'm sure would be unsatisfactory, or to pure numbers of the other team if too much KP hits the town or town mislynches too many at once and gets their numbers wiped out. So, they should keep that in mind when they send in kills tonight.
Then to: 3)Being fully convinced Palmar is scum and making a huge case against him? Why is it that only now, when you are in danger of dying, that you actually make a case and take a strong stance on someone? It didn't take you too long to convince yourself that Palmar is scum and make a case against him, so why couldn't you do it before?
First, I didn't make posts about the lynch, because we didn't have the majority yet. There's no point in making a case on Palmar if he's not going to be able to get lynched. The post you linked to, is my first post after the majority is revealed, where I could actually choose someone who's able to be lynched. So, I'm not being neutral about the lynch, I'm just waiting to know who I can lynch. If you actually read my last post, I was suspicious of Palmar last night phase already, so it isn't like this is new. Next, how is saying "I feel best about him being scum at this point." and that we should kill him a wishy-washy stance? It seems like basic reading comprehension, but please tell me how you think saying that is "wishy-washy"? "I feel best about" means that he's my strongest scum-read for lynch candidates, and saying we should kill him, means exactly that. So, there's no leap between saying that and my last post, unless you're not paying any attention to what's going on. That post says I think Palmar is scum and I want to lynch him, and my last post gives my reasons. On day 1, I wanted to lynch VE, I did so. On Day 2, I wanted to lynch BC, and did so, and on Day 3 I wanted to kill Sheth, and did so as well. I'm not sure how helping kill who I want dead is not taking a strong stance. My votes make my stance clear, and I also show it in thread for Day 1 and 3, if not as much on Day 2 because I didn't post a lot then while I was busy. The rest of it's in PMs if you need me to dig them up. Multi-lynches haven't worked, so why am I going to bring up cases on people when they aren't the ones I want to lynch yet? You call me out for not making a case on earlier days, but I didn't want to lynch someone else on earlier days, so there was no point in trying to make a push for it. Instead of asking why I didn't, why don't you explain why I should have? I'm making a case now, because I want Palmar to die, and need to get more people behind it. There are no other cases, except for on me, and people all saying Chaoser is scum without a case. So, if I want something to happen, I need to get support because it isn't there yet, and I need to do it myself, because nobody else seems to want to. If you can't see that I'm town, or at least that Palmar is scum, you're blind and we're going to lose. This is directed to whichever townies are actually left and still reading.
Even in Round A, why wouldn't you at least post reads or who you think is scum? If Palmar was in the minority, would you just ignore him completely even if you were sure he was scum?
I can't really think you expect me to answer "Why should you post cases?".
Anyways, yes I found that "he's our best bet for scum" wishy-washy, because it's not as strong as it seems. It makes it seem like you just choose him as scum because you had to, not because you actually thought he was scum.
Also:
So why am I going to bring up cases on people when they aren't the ones I want to lynch yet?
Ehmm, didn't you say you wanted BC and Sheth lynched on D2 and D3? By this reasoning of yours, why didn't you make a case against them or even state you wanting to kill them in the thread (as far as I remember)?
Anyways I'm in a hurry, gonna go to uni and be back like 1-2 hours before the deadline. Talk to MZ about anything related to votes and stuff and he'll tell me and ET once we come back.
Wait, you wanted to kill BC on D2 and Sheth on D3? I don't remember you saying anything like that. |
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| Palmar Iceland. May 11 2012 05:59. Posts 7581 | Profile Blog # |
We're killing chaoser today, that's not the question.
Anyone who votes chaoser will be considered autoscum for the rest of the game.
@Katina: you never answered my question about sandroba. Do you think he's scum?
I kind of don't mind dying, this game is much less fun now that I don't have syllo to talk to. If that's what it takes for you derps to pull your heads out of your asses and realize what's going on, then sure, don't vote me.
As I've already explained, MZ's change of stance basically confirms him town, no scum would ever commit to a case on a townie and then back off, that only draws suspicion their way. I still stand by the notion prplhz is confirmed town.
chaoser, sandroba and cephiro are scum. I'm actually backing off the idea that gonzaw could be one, I re-read most of yours filtes and he seems very townie. Katina still looks terrible, of course she looks even worse since to myself I'm confirmed town, but when I flip drill her for why the hell she did what she's doing. She's also been on the wrong side of sandroba's voting plenty of times.
The last scum is either ET or Wiggles, after re-reading. sloosh is asking perfectly valid questions, and my initial town read on Radfield means a lot, even if that vote on cephiro was stupid as shit, I don't think radfield was paying too much attention, but he did sound like town early on. |
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| Palmar Iceland. May 11 2012 06:02. Posts 7581 | Profile Blog # |
| I'll be giving my votes to sloosh and mz. 2 for sloosh, 3 for mz, unless MZ has a plan, or something. |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. May 11 2012 06:03. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
EBWOP:
Fuck the format of my last post was fucked up, the "Wait, you...." was supposed to be before in the post.
Well fuck it.. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. May 11 2012 06:11. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
On May 11 2012 05:09 prplhz wrote:
We kinda need to agree on something here. I'm planning on trying to keep Palmar alive so you're going to have a problem if you want to kill him.
Why do you want to keep Palmar alive? There's no mention of him in your filter, so where did this come from?
On May 11 2012 05:06 EchelonTee wrote:
Wiggles, your opinion on chaoser?
Palmar, your opinion on Wiggles?
I'm not seeing it as strongly as everyone else is and think Palmar is a better lynch, and that's why I'd like it if someone bothered writing up a case on him who thinks he's scum. When I say there's no case, I don't mean that there's no reason to think he's scum, I literally mean there's no case that I can read to see why you think he's scum. If there's something I missed or forgot about that wasn't just from Day 1 or early Day 2, bring it up again so I can see it.
That he hasn't been around recently, I don't like though, because it means that he's not talking now. Maybe he's just lying low to try to avoid the lynch?
On May 11 2012 05:18 EchelonTee wrote:
My final is in 3 hours. I can't spend any more time in thread and will be back ~1 hour before deadline. No matter what, chaoser needs to die today; we can't afford a mislynch.
Why does Chaoser need to die as opposed to Palmar? What's your reasoning? |
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| Palmar Iceland. May 11 2012 07:04. Posts 7581 | Profile Blog # |
| cause chaoser is scum, I'm not. |
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| slOosh May 11 2012 07:07. Posts 1917 | Profile # |
Sorry, I've been sick for past couple of days, rereading what I wrote I reluctantly agree that I am making no sense.
Hopefully I won't keep derping and making logical missteps.
Writing up current thoughts on this situation. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. May 11 2012 07:44. Posts 4149 | Profile Blog # |
| Ok I'm here, if you've got extra votes let me know, I'm trying to make sure everything is worked out. |
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| slOosh May 11 2012 09:06. Posts 1917 | Profile # |
Been tyring to look over the votes since my last post, head hurts and I don't have conclusion.
Mr Wiggles & Palmar, how do you think your scum reads divide into the two families?
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