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So upon reviewing the thread I have concluded that Mr. Wiggles' plan for "put everyone in the majority" is either gross negligence or a malicious scum plan.
Why? If everyone is in the majority (assuming everyone followed the plan, which they wouldn't), that means there are 18 people up for lynch. Normally this would be no problem at all, as everyone is always up for lynch, but due to the rules of this game anyone with 0 votes, or tied for lowest is lynched. If this plan were to be followed, I can all but guarantee that we will have 3+ townies dying simply because no one thought they were important enough to be voted, while scum players can obviously get votes on them. This plan allows for suboptimal townies to be culled at no cost to the scum teams. Mr. Wiggles arguement is that if you're bad then it's fine if you die. I heavily heavily disagree with this.
Honestly, I just want to randomly put my vote down and focus on scum hunting because whether I'm in the majority or minority, I don't plan on being mislynched. However, since it's starting to seem like scum may try to abuse the system, I'll follow any plan that has decent logic behind it.
Meapak, do you not care about any of the plans that have been put forth so far?
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RE: Gonzaw
On April 30 2012 13:23 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 13:11 Cephiro wrote:On April 30 2012 13:00 gonzaw wrote: One thing I was thinking is, for instance to scumhunt normally this round, and have EVERYBODY claim what their answer will be in the thread (YES or NO) We force the "scummy" players to vote for the mayority, and the most townie ones vote for the minority to save them from Round B. And how would that be useful? As nice as it would to believe people will vote for something co-operatively in a game of this size, it just won't happen. If you somehow manage to gather and confirm all townies, and ensure they vote in a certain pattern, that still enables scum to do whatever they want, and even if they outed themselves, they may still be able to get in the minority constantly. It's just not gonna work in a game where votes are hidden until the results. (Where it will be obvious who voted for what) If everybody follows the plan, then those that vote different than they told are scum. After that, you can either get a vig to shoot them (if there is any), maybe luckily have the other scum team shoot them, or change the voting system on later days to ensure that player becomes mayority. The point is that either you have a claimed scum, or the plan goes through
Gonzaw, the problem with what you have been advocating (everyone announce votes, we force scummy people to be in majority) is that non-cooperative overconfident players (read: Palmar, Ace), will want to be in the minority, and that doesn't imply that they are scum or town. Simply that they would not want to follow the plan doesn't mean they should be autovig'd. While I do agree that people who announce a vote, but end up voting otherwise should be scrutinized to hell, this sort of hardline plan will not work.
@Foolishness: Do you have any ideas that would actually allow town to control how many people end up in the majority/minority (I'm abbreviating that as M/M from now on). PM me if you don't want to put it in thread.
@Sandroba: Last time you were town in a PM game you broke the hell out of it; if I don't see similar efforts then it's tunnel city.
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5PM EST deadline and I'm still in school @.@ .... never thought I'd want a longer day phase.
Skimming, I don't like any of the plans really. Palmar's plan reminds me of the SS gamebreak plan, but though this game has a non-standard setup, I don't see the advantage of mass roleclaim/putting all power into the center as compared to that game. To people saying "either you think Palmar is town and you go with plan, or you think he's scum"; that sort of dichotomy doesn't make any sense at this stage in the game. Palmar has the cajones to do this whether scum or town, so I don't want to follow his plan not because I absolutely think he's scum, but simply because I do not trust him enough.
I'll have more time later to discuss how Phase B/future Phase A's should go. For now, since voting information is hidden, it's likely that at least some scummy people will end up in the Majority, and we can go from there.
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Apologies for being AWOL; finals are coming up. Please PM me, I'm lonely as hell in PM land.
RE: Why I want to lynch VisceraEyes
The primary reason why I think VisceraEyes is scummy is because he claims to be "scumhunting" but he provides no evidence or reasoning behind his accusations, while simultaneously being completely apathetic to plan discussion.
On April 30 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Not I. :d
Well then, let's get started.
As always, I cynically feel like any plan we hope to enact is doomed to fail so let's just vote how we want to vote for round A. We have a number advantage over scum, so voting randomly (according to how we feel) will put town at the advantage imo.
I haven't decided how to use my votes for Phase B yet. I'm still pondering the matter. VE opens by dismissing any potential plans. If VE had simply disagreed with the plans that had already been put forth, that would be reasonable, but he just ignores them and says that voting randomly would "put town at advantage". How? VE never really gets into this; while it is true that plans could be abused by scum, planning allows town to counteract such abuse by controlling the voting system in a pro-town manner.
VE's apathy contrasts with the last town game he played, where he actively discussed the mechanics of the game to try and decrease the chance for scum abuse, which contradicts him saying "I think any plan is doomed to fail".
On May 01 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Dis voting system.
It doesn't matter who's in the minority. Yeah, it's true a lot of people can die. We can sort that out during the down-sizing phase when we decide who we want to live. LOLOLOLOLOL
Anyone pushing an agenda that involves trying to control the minority phase looks super duper scummy to me right now ^^ Bolded part - extreme apathy to people dying. This is in stark contrast to a particular character trait of VE; he doesn't think townies should just be culled without a care. This stems from his history of being a bad newbie; he usually puts a lot more care in ensuring that only people he really thinks are scum get lynched. This mindset put forth by VE is apathetic to the idea that many people could die, which is utterly strange.
His case on WBG was half-assed, no need to get further into that as others have already said why it's bad.
Says he wants to be king, but doesn't really do anything along with his bold assertion. His plan is "people vote randomly and we will sort it out later". That is the least decisive king I have ever heard off; while it looks like VE is being his usual aggressive self, he's being very wishywashy with plans, which is uncharacteristic.
Finally, and nail in the coffin for myself:
On May 01 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I am actively committed to finding and eliminating scum.
Anything beyond that is malleable. Says he is actively committed to scumhunting
On May 01 2012 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, right now I'd lynch into wherebugsgo, chaoser, syllogism.
That's my story. I'll provide reasoning if any of these players are in the majority in Phase B. Wants to lynch these people. says will provide reasoning if any are in the majority.
As it turns out, chaoser is in the majority. Will VE provide reasoning, push him, or do anything pro-town?
On May 02 2012 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Also for those watching at home, my votes are now also a mystery. Since I'm apparently scum I'm going to act like scum and not share who I'm voting for with town. WAAH WAAH WAAAAAAAAAH!
I am disappoint town. I thought we were going places together. I thought we were going to kill all the scums...together. Guess not. VE claims to be attacked for his scumhunting efforts, but it's clear that he hasn't been doing any such scumhunting. I'm not usually very confident of D1 reads but this is one of the best ones I've felt in a while, especially considering I've seen VE play a decent amount of games by now. VE is being uncooperative and noncontributing in a very disingenuous way. While VE has rage quit before as town, the manner in which he is doing so, without even putting up information on his lynch of choice and putting down other people at will, seems like a scum VE rage quitting.
If anyone wants to put votes on VE, they better justify themselves/respond to this.
Will provide reasoning to my votes in the next few hours.
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Me replying to stuff that's been going on thread the past 10 pages:
RE: The gonzaw/Cephiro back and forth
On May 01 2012 08:10 gonzaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Cephiro:Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&user=183812http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=5#84http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=5#87I found this odd, because you started very aggresively. There were some good plans (mine) floating around, and you behemently opposed them. The point is that you didn't come up with any of your own or try to generate any other discussion. You inserted doubt into plans and just bickered about them, you didn't come up with content of your own. Well, maybe honestly you thought those plans were bad, so that in itself wouldn't bother me. However, you post this: I'm not expecting to see gamebreaking strategies (especially ensuring as making them work flawlessly is quite hard), so please concentrate on finding the scum instead of trying to come up with some epic plan. And don't get greedy. If we find someone that we are sure to be scum, then do everything possible to get that person killed or lynched. If we try to get greedy and be smartasses and try to lynch three scum at once, it'll most likely bite ourselves in the ass. You are giving the usual "People stop discussing policy lynches/plans/shit and start finding scum!", yet I don't see you following your own advice. When someone asked you for your reads, you said "At the moment I am afraid to tell you I have no reason to share my reads with you.". What? You said we should try and find scum, but you don't want to contribute your reads? You started very aggressive and "keen" to find scum, but you were inactive for some time later and when you came back you didn't put any effort into doing so. I know how you can play as town Cephiro, I observed Death Factory and you were contributing and making plans like crazy. Being this aggresive and indifferent to plans is unlike you.
The two bolded parts are the significant parts of gonzaw case, and ones that I find to be pretty true; Cephiro was initially active but since has done no scumhunting. This is especially ironic considering his response:
On May 01 2012 08:19 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I honestly think all the plan discussion in D1 has been stupid. I do not see people agreeing in as quickly as 24-48 hours, and it serves as a great cloak for scum, as it derails the conversation to people jabbing at each other about an optimal way of trying to game the game with voting strategies, instead of hunting the scum.
Lets say someone finally came up with a plan that everyone magically agreed on. Now, what will you do with it if you've found no scum?
Just because I did not publicly share my reads with syllo does mean I haven't done it with anyone else. PM Land is a wonderful place to be in. If I don't trust syllo, why should I give him my reads? And making up false reads in the threads is just something that someone would point out as an contradiction by PMs later, and then bad townies would be jumping all over the fact and be distracted from the actual work that needs to be done.
As I've said a trillion times before, do not try to metagame me. If you try, you've already lost.
Cephiro states that he doesn't like the fact that plan discussion has stifiled scumhunting discussion, and decries the fact that scumhunting hasn't been happening. 24 hours later, not a single scumread from Cephiro. 5 hours til deadline, also hasn't even posted who he's voting for. Also, the consistent bickering about meta is both inaccurate and misguiding; Cephiro consistently asserts in his responses that "don't meta me grrr focus on thread stuff", but not only is meta a strong tool, even if we merely focus on the thread, the fact that he based on plans and harped on the necessity of scumhunting, but did nothing of the sort, making his responses really really scummy.
This + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2012 10:07 gonzaw wrote: About Cephiro:
Omg this is the Toad incident all over again. Okay, I won't argue more with you and this is the only thing I'll say: Cephiro is not posting any reads, contributing at all, and is only trying to argue the hell out of me right now and clog up the thread instead of addressing the issues I mentioned
So town, read this, read Cephiro's posts, and tell me what you think; I won't clog the thread up any more with this stupid back and forth Cephiro is making is a good summation of how I feel about Cephiro atm. However, since he has a bunch of claimed votes on him already, he's not dying today. Unless Cephiro turns on the pro-towniness that won him respect from Ace, of all people, I'm good with a future Cephiro lynch.
RE: Ace
I don't get Ace. Sometimes he makes the most sense of all, other times I'm like o.O Some posts from him:
On May 01 2012 09:55 Ace wrote: I really hope I don't end up in the majority with gonzaw. Going to be a difficult task to figure out which one of us needs to die. On May 02 2012 03:07 Ace wrote: I'm giving my votes to myself. No one else here deserves them. On May 01 2012 18:13 Ace wrote: Too bad I never said anything about looking for Confirmed Town.
Guess we know who's dying soon.
First: are you saying that you and gonzaw are both really scummy, so if you guys were in the majority it would be tough to figure out who has to die? What did you mean by this?
Second: wat? you completely dgaf about who gets lynched and who lives?
Third: who are you referring to about who's dying? Palmar?
Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to Ace's play, but is this normal for him? I don't expect him to answer my questions, but it would help.
RE: Sheth
On May 02 2012 01:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of reentry into the game for some, so assuming Sand is scum and you guys kill us both, if it's a town-related power, you should bring me back.
I have reads, but I'm holding them hostage until after I flip. Bring me back, and we'll kill all the scums.
They're gooooooooood too. I can't tell if you just aren't caring if you die or if you're just confident you'll get enough votes to live. This isn't the VE that is quiet conserved and waiting to hear others out before judging. As nice as it was for you to say I'd get a vote I'm quite worried about you personally. I'm happy with having the situation be give 4 votes to someone and 1 to someone else. I think its a cool idea especially because we'll see the people who just won't follow it at all. And we'll see those who are just following lemming like. Anyway as of now I'm going to give my 4 to Cephiro and 1 to Meapak because I don't know if others will vote for him and I have liked him so far. Cephiro gets my 4 based on my meta reads of him. I'm not completely sure hes town, but he seems it to me from posts here and in PM land. I geuss its obvious no1 is completely sure of anything yet ^^ This post made me do a double take. You're used to VE being "quiet" and "conserved"? That's not his meta at all, VE is a big asshole as town; your reasoning for initially supporting VE and then not supporting him later doesn't make sense.
Your reasonings for giving Cephiro 4 votes is unclear. You say "meta reads" but don't explain how this makes him town. Gonzaw used meta as a reason why Cephiro is scummy, do you disagree with this?
Your continued assertions that "no1 is sure of anything" both in thread and in PMs seems to indicate a lot of indecisivness. I am pretty suspicious of you atm and am looking for a step up in game, as you look very scummy.
RE: The prplhz case
On May 02 2012 03:54 Motbob is great wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ladies (don’t think there are any) and Gentleman (not many of those either ). I proudly present you with a tragedy entitled: The tale of two prplhz’s. It was the best of Prplhz, it was the worst of Prplhz… nah screw that I’ll just get right to the good stuff. To start with, I want have a little exercise. I’m going to post three quotes, 1 from prplhz as town, 1 from prplhz as scum, and one from prplhz this game. You’re going to read these match them to the correct game… no cheating! + Show Spoiler +On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote:Okay I don't think that XXX is scum because he's been pretty out there. The scummiest he has done in my opinion is his claim which was oddly timed. Right now he's a terribly easy lynch, because we'll have to lynch him at some point. I'd like to see ZZZ explain how everything XXX has done can be explained by scum motivation and can not be explained by town motivation. The worst thing about this whole XXX thing is that the lynch is so easy that everybody can just pile onto him and then the day is kinda ruined, we aren't going to find anybody else. I don't think that XXX is scum because he's just been putting himself too much in the line of fire. YYY isn't taking AAA accusations seriously (for some reason, nobody is even though AAA is pretty good at mafia). There are more in the accusations than just "YYY doesn't have a read 5 hours in", he is saying that your mindset doesn't seem focused on finding scum. I totally agree with this. He specifically quotes this: Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 12:03 YYY wrote: [...] I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. You see that the discussion is bad, you say that people should try to find whoever is responsible for this, but you never do this. You are the one guilty of strawman arguing when you insinuate that AAA accusation was just based around how you didn't have any reads 5 hours into the game. Additionally there's plenty of bad stuff in your filter. –REDACTED- This post where you complain about what's being discussed without providing anything of an alternative. You were just as guilty in letting the initial discussion get out of hand as those people whose existence you alluded to but never tried to find. I understand that you might not like how XXX was being a douche towards BBB but your comments on that doesn't count as a contribution. You didn't post a single read this entire game, and I don't care if anything is 5 hours into the game or whatever, reads are what push this game foward, AMIRITE? So, YYY, is XXX scum or is he just best lynch because of the situation he's gotten himself in? Do you have other scum reads? I'll vote XXX to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, XXX probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter XXX alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch XXX at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say. On October 14 2011 22:20 prplhz wrote: you know while the mayor needs to be someone town, the pardoner is going to be held very accountable. we should lynch the pardoner the second he doesn't do exactly what we tell him to so i think pardoner needs to be expendable.
also i think we need to narrow down the field of candidates so people should keep pushing for their candidacy or they should drop out.
to all of the candidates that aren't XXX, (YYY,ZZZ,AAA,BBB,CCC,DDD,sorryifi'mforgettinganybody) who would you like to see as pardoner if you win the election? On May 01 2012 05:13 prplhz wrote: If there's no plan then it's probably going to be 2-4 scum in the majority. If there is a vigilante of sort or other similar role then we can use that to kill of bad guys in the minority.
Since it looks like people don't like round A plans then how about round B plans? I think it was XXX who said "X votes X+1" and then the minority votes for the townier people. Bad thing is that we don't get majority to vote on anything so no information, and if we just flip coins for round A then people never get to put their money where their mouth is. I'm still for the YYYZZZAAA-plan (wazzup) where those three just decide whatever and put 6-7 townies in the minority. If we're dissatisfied with their picks then we can just replace some of them tomorrow. Just because we ditched the claim idea doesn't mean we have to ditch everything that any of those said. I redacted all the names so that you’d focus on the content. What does prplhz do as town? He’s aggressive, he scum hunts and calls people out. What does prplhz do as scum? He sits back and discusses the setup? What’s prplhz done this game? Well that’s the topic of the little post. Now of course you all are screaming OBJECTION! Meapak wtf are you thinking, meta is good to establish a suspicion but you can’t hang someone for it. I absolutely agree, which is why we’re going to have a closer look at prplhz’s other posts this game. First let’s take a look at the General Guide to Mafia and see what it has to say about scumplay A. Survival
1. Hiding/Blending in 2. Posting long but contentless posts 3. Lurking 4. Indecision 5. Not wanting to point fingers 6. Avoiding responsibility 7. Apathy about who is lynched*
So let’s take this one at a time. Here are some hiding/blending in posts: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 20:22 prplhz wrote: Also: How I plan to be active in PMs this game.
If I end up in majority I plan on pleading my innocence to a bunch of people in PMs. Other than that I'm probably going to play the most of this game in the thread. On May 01 2012 04:59 prplhz wrote: I was just reading up on this game and then I thought to myself "Man, I wish I was observing this game." and then I was like "Hey, I am observing this game!" ... dunno I caught and bug and I'm a little ill these days.
I'm not entirely sure what to think of anything yet, I like the 72 hour day proposal 'cause this is going fast.
@wherebugsgo What do you mean "the groups with the power to influence who get into the minority are scum, not town." ? On May 01 2012 08:08 prplhz wrote: I don't know who is lamer, the DotA2 king of the WoW king ... Now here is a long but contentless post: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote: I hope this doesn't end in Ace being shot again.
We don't know how many (or even if) we have a vigilante, scum who want to avoid lynch will have like a ~40% chance each day of avoiding the lynch, and they don't even need their scumbuddies' help for this! If we go through with the pardon plan for days then they will even get 100% chance of avoiding lynch and we will need vigilantes to take care of them so potential vigilantes should not use their shot to enforce plans.
I imagine that there are roles more related to the central game mechanic, maybe M/M inverters or people who can throw other people from one pool to the other, maybe some hidden votes for round B.
I thought about how the vote trading panned out in Hammer Mini Mafia (for those who haven't read, everybody had 5 votes and we had to give some away to other people every night). In that game people might not give votes to the most townie player just because "he would already get a bunch" and then he would end up with none. Also, I think charismatic people might get relatively many votes compared to how "townie" they really appear but we still don't want people like me to die just because no one thought to trade me (goes for other people too).
I'm unsure about what to think about big round B plans, I'm always worried about what powers scum may have and I think that just relying on people to do their best should suffice (at least in this game with this infinitely stacked player list). What I'm going to do is that I'm going to split my votes up and throw a bunch of them into people I think other people are likely to vote for, and throw some of them into people I think other people are more unlikely to vote for. If everybody else does this then we're not going to have any problems (and we're going to have a lot of information this way) but if only I do it then there's not really much harm in that anyway.
I think it was gonzaw/syllogism who proposed that round B should be an unofficial vote and then we try to kill the "winner" of that vote, but I don't know about that. This is a game about finding townies and if we all agree that someone is scum then we're not going to need a huge plan for getting him lynched, people are just not going to vote for him or they're going to get into trouble. I have never seen an unofficial voting system in action either, at least not one that worked.
It seems that there is already a big plan in place for round A and it's kinda alright with me, syllogism and Palmar have good reads on each other so I'm going to go along with whatever they feel like for now. For lurking I’ll point out that prplhz has 14 since the game started. For 4, 5, and 6 I’ll post a couple that have all three of these: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote: I'm very unsure about what's going on and why we're not going with the Palmogisfield-plan. Most of this has just been people not wanting to cooperate and I'm very unsure why. I'm pretty sure we could find a couple people that most everybody wouldn't vote for day1 and it only makes sense to throw them into the minority for more information (and hopefully better odds) in round B.
Ace is doing his usual and very useless "you can't have any reads on day1" thing. Then he's like "I'm just going to be an asshole no matter what you do" which is equally useless. All Ace can do day1 is yell at other people for having bad reads.
I kinda like Mr. Wiggles but I don't exactly know why. I also like Foolishness and Palmogisfield. I don't have any scum reads.
I feel like you're all speaking in russian. I'm looking forward to round B because then I'll have five votes like the rest of you that I can use however I want.
Dunno. On May 01 2012 08:07 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 08:05 Cephiro wrote:On May 01 2012 08:01 prplhz wrote: Ace likes the hypothetical "what if everybody is an asshole?", well then this game is lost already now isn't it? Please don't tell me you're saying you don't know how to make reads on assholes? :p I don't but that was not what I meant. If everybody just do something semi-random all game long then we're not going to win because we can't organize anything while scum will be able to perfectly organize themselves. If people stopped doing semi-random stuff and for the most did what appeared to be the most townie thing then we'd be running with the Palmogisfield plan right now. Meh, it's useless since round B is coming up soon. It’s somewhat difficult to prove the last one since prplhz has decided not to grace us with his presence for the lynch discussion. For a tl;dr, I will say this. Prplhz has been apathetic to the extreme. He’s avoided making any real statements and when he has, he’s qualified them with his own indecision. He’s playing a game that’s a far cry from what I’ve seen town prplhz do. He has exhibited basically a textbook example of what scum look like, and since I know what he’s capable of, he’s not getting off the hook with the noob excuse anymore. Anyone who puts votes on prplhz is gonna face my wrath. For those who are curious, here's town prplhz http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=126438And here's scum prplhz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=126438 While I don't necessarily agree with M_Z's meta arguement against prplhz (the games where prpl talked about setup more were both themed games), the various points indicating prplhz Mafia traits are comprehensive and well thought out, including his lack of scumhunting and lurky indecision. I honestly don't see why a bunch of people think prplhz is very townie.
However, prplhz indication that he has been busy and is now catching up seems pretty genuine to me, from posts like this:On May 02 2012 05:09 prplhz wrote: honestly, i don't expect to live through the day. hopefully i'll have the energy to put more effort into this game tomorrow 'cause it's quite disappointing what i've done so far. it sounds like he might have been a busy townie, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, for now.
This reflects most of my thoughts of how the game has been going on, as has been discussed with people in PMs.
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People I'm voting for
I'm putting 2 votes on Meapak_Ziphh and 2 votes on Mr. Wiggles.
For M_Z, his reaction to Palmar's plan sounded genuinely concerned with town's wellbeing, his response to VE's case on WBG, and his efforts towards scumhunting make me think he is town.
For Mr. Wiggles, his response to my jab about his plan and his responses to the Cephiro/gonzaw back and forth make me think he is town.
I've also been active in PMs with both and they have been very transparent; I am giving them 2 votes a pop to ensure their survival. I'm keeping my last vote in the pocket just incase some shenanigans arise.
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On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.
That being said, my scumreads are:
Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee
Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.
I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.
Posting a list of scumreads without reasoning? That seems familiar. In the words of Mementoss,
Die scum
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On May 02 2012 02:57 Katina wrote: Those who are though that I am suspicious of are:
EcholenTee: He has been missing for a majority of the game. Last game I was in with him, he was vocal and not MIA for this long.
I already mentioned I was busy with school, and have since stepped up my activity. In the last game we played (TL Mafia LI), I was only vocal early because I got attacked by Risen. Otherwise, my style of posting larger posts in more varied intervals has not changed. If you're going to continue accusing me of being scum, make a complete case please, lest you be accused of being hypocritical (since people always accuse you with no reasoning lololol)
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On May 02 2012 06:01 syllogism wrote: Yes, in a game where cooperation is essential we are stuck with some players who are completely incapable of doing that. I'm sure they aren't all mafia and even if they are, I think they would be playing in a quite similar fashion anyway. Where exactly is our cooperation failing us? Even though things got contentious with the plans and what not, I feel like the game is progressing fairly cordially. Contenting ourselves with one lynch atm is fine by me.
RE: Sandroba He hasn't been been his plan-happy self from Space Station Mafia even a little bit, and from what people have been saying about him through PMs, he hasn't been disinterested and apathetic. The only other game I have played with him, TL Mafia L, he was pretty lurky as scum, so this lines up. I was waiting for him to respond to how accusations/post reads of his own (as WBG said he would be doing), but it's been a while now.
I would be fine with him as a secondary lynch, but with VE dumping votes on him I don't see how he will die today. If his busy-ness due to Brazillian parties or whatever is genuine, he now has a chance to step up his play.
I'll be back before deadline to confirm my final votes and what not.
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On May 02 2012 08:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Both of you shut up now ^
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I'm back. I'm putting my last vote on chaoser since somehow he has 2nd lowest, and I don't want him randomly dying.
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Wait what? Radfield is about to die? That's no good.
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Deadline passed right? I want to know if I'm f5'ing in vain or not.
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On May 02 2012 12:41 Radfield wrote: Shit guys. I just got home and didn't vote. This simply isn't going to work for me. ??? Send in your votes now, maybe Ver/Incog will be ok with it.
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bleh. I feel like a tunneling asshole.
Stuff like this:
On May 02 2012 13:04 wherebugsgo wrote: thanks to VE for playing like a complete ass.
Thanks for saving sandro, you fuck. is completely unnecessary. Just being an ass.
Should spent part of the nighttime looking at people in the minority, since they were, for the most part, completely ignored in Phase B.
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Wait a minute. Prplhz has 2 votes in the recorded category, and 3 in the "illegal" category. 2 of those, gonzaw and Palmar, are indeed off limits, but there's an additional 1 vote on Sandroba that was considered illegal. What gives?
Also strange is how prplhz would've died had it not been for Radfield coming in.
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Hey you got your account back M_Z :o
I think the opposite TBH; the fact that 8 unique voters were on Wiggles means jack. There were also 8 unique voters on you, 7 on me, and 6 on chaoser. Are we all suspicious for that? On the other hand, the fact that Sandroba was left in the dust suggests that scum teams saw him as an easy mislynch to leave behind.
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On May 02 2012 13:12 Foolishness wrote: More than one person has some explaining to do. On May 02 2012 14:08 Foolishness wrote:Wrong, right. I'm pretty sure 2 mafia revealed themselves in the votes though. I hope you plan on explaining these before the deadline. You are Foolishness, after all.
PM me if you want to talk, I'm keeping relatively quiet in thread for the night.
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I'm back. Like no one PM'd me
On May 03 2012 04:17 Ace wrote: *yawn*
People are still alive in this game? What's taking so long to kill everyone? All that this guy has done is troll all game, sneak into the minority list, and troll some more. Does anyone actually think Ace is helping town?
On May 03 2012 04:24 syllogism wrote: Sheth finally provided an acceptable answer to my inquiries so he looks slightly better for now Are you saying he answered the gonzaw "meta" accusation, the Cephiro votes, and the VE reasoning, all satisfactorily?
On May 03 2012 05:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I recall analyzing you and never getting a response back. Seems I did this to prpl as well and again it went ignored. The fact you have missed both those while going over my filter is very impressive. I also love that you are currently hopping on the train of attack BC along with the others. Seems like you like easy targets as well? By continuing the actual push on me as opposed to bringing anything new to the table and avoiding any heat thrown on you by being inactive as hell it seems like you are the textbook example of mafia play. HORRY SHIZ.
I looked at your filter and didn't see analysis of Katina or prplhz prior to this post. Is this just an out lie, or did you PM people your analysis without posting it in thread? You recently posted a case on prplhz, but have never posted a case on Katina except for "you're bad". You claim to be clear in your reads, but you really are not doing so.
On May 03 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote: also, i wanted to call ace "kiddo" and i think it was funny because i PM'd foolishness the same question and because i didn't read half the thread yet. i'm at page 15 with and then i read again from nightpost and then i read a few filters.
Catch up quick; I gave you the benefit of the doubt but TBH you still haven't done much.
Will be posting some thoughts on people right before deadline. Everyone should look into the minority list and work out, of the people who hid from scrutiny yesterday, who is scum.
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On May 03 2012 09:34 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:17 Ace wrote: *yawn*
People are still alive in this game? What's taking so long to kill everyone? You know, it's hard to shoot someone during the daytime if it's not allowed. ;/ What do you mean by this?
On May 03 2012 09:34 Cephiro wrote: More seriously, once we move on to D2, we should stop the bitchslapping each other with our gigantic penises, and nominating kings. K? Any plans for tomorrow instead, then? I don't want Phase A to proceed in the same way. PM me if you want.
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