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Katina
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Katina
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It would be ideal for the Mafia to cause this sort of distraction so they can easily hide under the attention that has been directed onto Palmar. In order to make a clear decision when vote time comes around the town needs to start building cases against possible Mafia and not getting sidetracked by such silliness. | ||
Katina
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On May 01 2012 06:21 chaoser wrote: Um, the discussion it brought is pretty helpful? It started discussion? The plan itself sucks though and is very anti-town. It started dicussion? Not really. It started confusion and the confusion started a "discussion" that wasted half the day. | ||
Katina
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On May 01 2012 06:00 Ace wrote: It's like they haven't read the OP and don't realize that banding together is a worst-case strategy. Trying to form a block of Townies to pick out the remaining Scum is just dumb in this setup. Independence though? Awesome. What you are looking for in this game is a block of people that share votes and appear on the same wagon (Round A's question) more than once. With 3 Scum per team they can never ALL vote the same way for fear of ending up in the majority and having their votes tracked since they need to save each other. Hence a decent team will come to the conclusion of always voting 2 in favor of Yes/No and the lone vote out taking the opposite side. Then it's just a matter of figuring out if the Scum team have 2 players or 1 player in the Majority pool for Round B by seeing where they apply their "saving" votes. This game is simple. You people just aren't smart enough to grasp it. The mafia team will always be voting in the 2 to 1 method. However since there are two teams its a matter of figuring out where the two mafia are voting. On any given day each majority/minority will have either 2, 3 or 4 members. So for each faction, we need to figure out whether they have 1 or 2 members in the majority. Since mafia needs to save their allies they will always get at least some votes. So by comparing who is voting for who over the course of a few days it should give us some information. Furthermore it's unlikely that the same 2 Mafia members will be voting together every day most likely they will cycle through X and Y, X and Z, Y and Z, etc. As Ace said, this is a lot simplier than people make it out to be. <3 | ||
Katina
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On May 01 2012 08:04 Cephiro wrote: Most likely, yes. Always, no. I can very well see all 3 mafia members voting for the same option, especially in the early game. A vote or two from a few random townies that have been deceived in PM-Land (or even worse, publically in thread), tadah. No worries. There's no reason for Mafia to take that chance. You really think they can decieve people in PM's like that? Have you been deceived in PMs like that? People are flipping coins to decide votes, and I doubt anyone is actually listening to Palmar. Three votes for the same option is to obviously, especially so early where people are extra paranoid. They would try to leave a little of a connection as possible to each other. With that said, there is no reason mafia would take that chance. Thus we can always expect the 2-1 split. Then it's just a matter of looking at who is voting for whom and matching people up. | ||
Katina
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On May 02 2012 01:19 syllogism wrote: Katina you seemed worried about King Palmar plan distracting from actual mafia hunting, but you personally have voiced no suspicions at all. Further, do you really think the rather heated discussion that followed produced no useful information at all, especially in terms of connections, or more accurately disconnections? While you unfortunately aren't up for lynch today, I'm very interested in hearing from you too Yes, how unfortunate for you. Like killing townies eh? I have been reading and looking at people since it's the beingingish of a new game. Since it's for you I will <3 Palmar: I think he is Mafia because of his so called plan that caused disruption early on in the thread. He hasn't been arond to defend his plan or try to do anything with it. He just kind of disappeared into La La land. His posts now aren't memorable and it doesn't seem like he cares about the town. Regardless Palmar is not in the majority group consequiencly you aren't either so we can talk about that later. Those who are though that I am suspicious of are: Radfield: I dont feel like hes helping the town most of his posts have been arguing with others or comparing penis sizes. EcholenTee: He has been missing for a majority of the game. Last game I was in with him, he was vocal and not MIA for this long. I would support a Sandroba lynch. I'm not too sure about a VE lynch though. In the majority list that I think is town would be: Mr: Wiggles: I don't think he is mafia at the moment. I think he is posting what's on his mind. Even though he was in the idiot trio bullshit crap retarded arguement with Gonzaw and Cephiro. | ||
Katina
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On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be. That being said, my scumreads are: Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches. I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer. O.o I like this. If I had a dime for a everytime someone called me scum without reasoning I would have enough hookers to serve the entire mafia community. Rawr. After going back and rereading, I think that Radfield, VE, Sandroba, EcholenTee should die in the Majority. I have explained Rafield and EcholenTee in one of my previous posts. VE and Sandroba should die for not helping the town. By the way Palmar is Mafia. | ||
Katina
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On May 02 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote: wbg told me (PMs) that he had a spreadsheet done and would post it after he comes from work or something. I'm waiting for him atm. @VE: *sigh* really? Random list of scumreads with 0 reasoning behind them? @Katina: Could you give more thorough reasoning for thinking ET/Radfield are scum? At least taking into account their recent play/lack of play? And again post some reasoning for thinking Palmar is mafia. We can talk about Palmar tonight or tomorrow because he isn't on the chopping block and debating his alignment is not important right now and we need to figure out who to lynch. As for ET and Rafield they haven't been helpful to the town. EcholenTee has claimed to being busy with school so therefore has not been able to contibute. He wrote recent posts but they felt very jumbled, he commented of four different things but didn't bring anything new to the table. I felt like he was just making that post because he had to not because he wanted to. While Radfield has been here but chosen to measure his penis instead with VE instead of helping the town. This goes back to my earlier argument while he appears to be active is he really helping the town? It certainly doesn't feel like it. | ||
Katina
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Katina
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On May 03 2012 02:23 syllogism wrote: Hey katina I see you are lurking, got anything worthwhile to contribute? Are you still interested in lynching the most obvious townie in the game? Been PMing anyone? I'm working on it, patience is key. By most obvious townie I'm assuming you mean Palmar? He's on my suspicion list still. I'm sure you will be the first to know if that changes. Of course I have been PM'ing people. Hasn't everyone? | ||
Katina
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On May 02 2012 22:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am unsure of sheth and bugs was compiling a list of voters to ensure that the only two to be lynched were going to be VE and roba. Nothing roba has done has swayed me in believing that he is town so I was fine with his lynch. I had mixed reservations about VE but as they were the only two on the docket I made sure no one else got random lynched due to lack of votes. As for signing up if I don't have enough time? I have been around directly after phases begin, and 2ish hours before the phase ends. Given that my work schedule is one that typically 4 out of 7 days in a week I can have solid amount of time to do things then It is no issue. As for signing up if I don't have time to play? You do not need to invest your life into a game of mafia to have time to play it. As for changing my vote? All votes are absolute and may not be changed according to the OP. No reason to believe that incog or ver is lying about that. I am glad that you intentionally view people negatively who follow what the hosts say though. As for top scum reads? Katina, prpl, and roba. Town reads are near useless to post so I won't bother. The game is about finding mafia not finding town. You merely get the advantage of the second as you start lynching / vigi'ing mafia. For someone who says the game is about finding mafia you have sure done a dandy job. You have conveniently picked easy targets to attack and have provided next to nothing when it comes to analysis. In fact your filter just has you posting your scum reads in a list like the one above and that's it. I also love reading your big walls of text on the past few pages. Talking about plans nobody cares about; diverting attention away from important posts and the votes and arguing with the person who has the biggest ego. Why if I didn't know better it seems like you are the textbook example of mafia play. :O egads! | ||
Katina
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On May 03 2012 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have my points on katina pretty clear in my earlier analysis of her, and given the lack of serious contribution / any real work done out of her, that opinion has not changed. Someone who has been introduced to this community and privately coached via one of the other players in this game I expect far more than what I am seeing. This isn't her first game anymore. Given the amount of time she has had to learn it is pretty clear she is not town. From a guy who has played for how long? Your reads are a little rusty it would seem. Just because I have been coached doesn't mean anything. I'm here reading the thread and PM'ing to try and figure out who is Mafia. I apologize for not throwing out half assed accusations and "cases" filled with complete nonsense. I don't intend to clutter the thread with my uncertainties, so I apologize for wanting to be more than 50% confident in my reads. It may not be my first game but it still takes practice before I turn into the Jackie Chan of Mafia. | ||
Katina
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On May 05 2012 00:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wander off for a night and come back to see people once again pushing my death with 0 substance aside from "hes red guys". Out of players like palmar or syllo such bad horrific play is to be expected. It is part of their general play. However when players like foolishness even by this point in time have yet to create an actual case against me then it is an obvious tell he is red. If he truely believed I was red and knew that there was even any remote kickback to this game he would try to garner people to vote in a way to have me killed by posting reasons as to why I should not be saved. Instead we have such posts as Anyone also notice how his protoge katina has vanished almost entirely from this thread and has yet to make a single post in roughly 40 hours? Both people I fingered as reds have yet to do anything aside from lurk and spend happy fun times in pms. Very interesting wouldn't you all think? Foolishness' meta is fairly standard, and not posting his reads in a way to actually push them in thread is one of his mafia tells and has been for ages. But you guys ignore those things cause its what you do. As for wonder gems like this This is coming from a player who has to this point in the game (at least in thread) done absolutely nothing at all. He suddenly bangs out his first "analysis" post and begins to jump on the same people who have been FoS'd or pressured for the last 24+ hours. Rather than contributing anything new he rehashes the same arguments that have been made previously as if they justify an opinion. He in the same posts claims that he thinks someone else is scum but they won't get lynched so its pointless, but rather than share his reads so that people may agree or disagree with him its "i dont want to muddle the thread". New analysis is never muddling the thread unless you are spamming it for pages. As for his opinion on roba, its friggen amusing. He has done nothing to help anyone in this game that I know of. Roba's scum meta is to do fuckall all game. His town meta is to take charge and think of plans. Which does he represent? Then we have a post like this out of syllo He at not point in time has said anywhere that I have seen that he can guarentee that his read on me or cephiro is correct but he did say he can guarentee Sheths. As such Sheth is obviously his strongest read yet rather than push it he is pushing the lynch on two other players. Everyone seriously look at the players attempting to run this game. They give you near no reasons for why they believe what they believe, are actively keeping content out of the thread, and providing near no reasons for why they do what they do. If you also notice the main people being suspected for being scum that should die are all the people who have primarily been giving them any kickback. Ace, and VE both fought their plans, died and flipped green. It is obvious that there is no intent at the moment in them finding reds, it is about removing any voice who speaks against them. That is not how town wins games. Mafia win games like that. It's called a life, yo! Sandroba used it and he is still alive, why can't I?? Seriously though, I have been in PM land. I'll be honest, with everything taken care of there there wasn't a need to post in the thread. At the times I was around nothing was happening in the thread or there was arguing about Cephiro which was something I did not want to get involved in. Not a good excuse I know but surely you can understand. I would like to address this post you just made though. I don't see how this helps the town at all. Everything I see with it is just pushing a mafia agenda. You have been consistent with wanting to kill myself and Foolishness I'll give you that. But as for general posting behavior all you've done is thrown doubt around at the people who are trying to lead the town to victory. This includes Foolishness, but you've attacked syllogism and Palmar now. I have my doubts about these two but at least they have both tried to do something. You seem more content on just shutting down everyone's plans and instilling doubt in the town. And this seems to take priority for you over pushing your reads. Saying that the intent is "about removing any voice who speaks against them" is silly. It seems to me some of these people (Foolishness, gonzaw, wherebugsgo, syllogism) are more concerned about finding mafia than anything else. sandroba is mafia but he's not speaking out against them. Cephiro isn't speaking out against them so much as just trying to stupidly defend himself. You are the one who is speaking out about the scum hunters, who is pushing an agenda, who is slinging doubt around, who is not actively trying to make plans [I recall you saying something early that trying to make plans is stupid and we should just scumhunt. People in PM land (guess who!!!) tell me that this is not like your town play] | ||
Katina
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On May 05 2012 03:03 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Here are my reads : BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it. Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia. Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town. Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more. Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you. Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads? WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living. You’re right, we never get to chat! I’m Katina, my favorite color is green, I like dogs, my hobby is video games, drawing, and teasing Foolishness, I hate spiders, I am terrified of heights and I enjoy taking candy from babies and small children. Today my reads out of the Majority are: BC: He is my top priority and I would like to see him lynched (As I just stated in my recent post) He is instilling doubt in the town, he's trying to shut down any plan that is made and out of everyone I feel like he's the one that has an agenda. I don't see how it can be a town favored agenda. I feel like he's trying to undermine people who are being helpful to the town. If we can't kill BC I would like to kill Cephiro. | ||
Katina
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Katina
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Out making Foolishness' life hell. Going to repost this because I find it interesting even though he withdrew his accusation. On May 01 2012 03:38 Foolishness wrote: And since I did say we should focus on who we want to kill. I'm going to start off by saying we should kill chaoser. Let's look at his first post: I see here an apathetic attitude towards the town agenda. Notice lines like, "The really really bad townies will obviously die this way but that's good for the town as well since it gets rid of distractions early" which are clearly non-sensical since everyone in this game is good. What really irks me is when he says "It's like a vigi hit that the whole town controls. It's basically multi-lynch but not everyone knows the votes. I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out though." Is this even helpful in any way? Why would he bother saying these things? Everyone here has read the rules and knows what is going on. It is obvious he doesn't care about what's going to happen..."I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out..." His attitude is "don't worry guys things will work out in the end". We all know that there is a crap ton we need to be worried about so that 5 people don't end up dying day 1. He has taken a stance on that he wants everyone to be in the majority, but this was originally Wiggles idea. It seems his main reason for justifying the plan is that it is better than Palmar's (not going to discuss whether or not his plan is actually better as that's not what this is about). As I stated above he is okay with having everyone in the majority since he thinks things will work out, and if anyone dies it will be the "really really bad townies" of which do not exist in this game. If you click his filter you can see a few other things that only further my case. He asks a lot of questions and does it in a way to throw doubt around. I have no problem with people asking questions but it does not seem his goal is to accomplish something for the town. Rather he is making everyone skeptical of all the plans that are presented thus far. chaoser needs to die. If he is in the majority we should see to it that he is killed. It seems chaoser hasn't been very prominent in the discussion. These same arguments are starting to circle back. | ||
Katina
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On May 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: There is really no plan that we can follow today that allows us to guarantee the people we want to kill are in the minority. Again, I think the best way is to random and not tell anyone how you're voting. Obviously this opens the possiblity of stacking, which is what I believe has been the case last 2 days to save sandroba, but the chances of MZ, chaoser, cephiro and sandroba all ending up on the same side AND in minority are extremely slim. Wasn't BC also saying that any round A plans are stupid and can't guarantee anything? He was mafia. Anything to toss the doubt around eh? | ||
Katina
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On May 10 2012 04:47 Palmar wrote: How is that remotely tossing doubt around. Do you have a fleshed out plan on how to proceed? You've been tunneling me all game, the only reason you've gotten by this long is foolishness seemed to think you're town. Meapak has a plan. Foolishness had a plan before he died. gonzaw has had many plans over the course of the game. BC kept saying that plans were stupid and it was impossible to coordinate. He also tried to push people into thinking Foolishness and the rest of the circle was mafia. He never pushed a read hard until people wanted to kill him. I sense history repeating itself with you.... | ||
Katina
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On May 10 2012 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright I fucked up with Palmar. I thought his plan was retarded and since he's put zero effort into this game I assumed he was scum. I reread his filter and realized that he actually wants to kill the same people I do. For clarity's sake, here's the PM from Bugs that put made me think Palmar is scum. Also for those wondering, WBG never told gonzaw why Palmar was scum, so that link is gone.+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From wherebugsgo: Thanks for this, it's very useful. I have an idea, but I'm going to wait on it. In fact I'm going to tell gonzaw and syllo, so that if I die tonight they will know what I think. based on this vote pattern, though, I think Palmar is scum. I will explain it to syllo and gonzaw and if I die tonight they will make the results public. If I don't die I'll do it myself. The reason I'm not telling you now is because I want to play it safe. I want to see if the trend I see continues. Based on what I'm seeing I'm sure it will because it is nearly impossible for that type of trend to be purely accidental. There's also a handy spreadsheet in there, bugs and I used it to flesh out voting patterns. Sadly, I'm really not sure who to put down as scum in place of Palmar. We'll still go through on the plan I set forward earlier today, we've still got plenty of targets to work with, it just means that I'm gonna need to go back and look through my townies to figure out which one of them is scum Palmar I'm sorry, I jumped to conclusions and now I'm slightly fucked. Since your reads are basically mine, who do you think is the last scum? ....really? He wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro so he's in the clear? Everyone wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro. | ||
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