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| OutlaW- Czech Republic. May 16 2012 04:24. Posts 3406 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2012 04:20 barbsq wrote:
i trashed a riven with vlad as well. Small sample size tho, so dunno if it's representative
The general consensus is somehow that riven beats vladimir, from my experience i toy around with rivens and they get horribly raped so much that they probably hope their hope was only as broken as their swords |
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| Mogwai United States. May 16 2012 04:25. Posts 8053 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2012 04:19 MooMooMugi wrote:
Olaf owns everyone top lane, borderline OP in my opinion
Olaf's not that strong. He gets bodied by plenty of people top. |
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| Slusher United States. May 16 2012 04:25. Posts 2607 | Profile Blog # |
| before the Riven "nerf" Rumble was one of her few even matchups, might be a good matchup today, but don't play top much anymore. |
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| SagaZ France. May 16 2012 04:26. Posts 730 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't have alot of experience with the kayle solo match ups but she plays like an ad carry so she should have the same counters shared by all ad carrys.. mainly assassins |
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| Shiv. May 16 2012 04:26. Posts 1903 | Profile # |
On May 16 2012 04:15 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 04:12 Alaric wrote:
Who can reliably beat Riven btw? She's so annoying, even when you're supposed to have the advantage, with all that cc + damage on such short cooldowns. No idea who to pick, except I heard Irelia can do well if she doesn't lose too hard the first levels.
Udyr or Pantheon. Udyr is easy as hell to win with, Pantheon you have to work at, but I'd say he's stronger vs. her if you actually know what you're doing because Udyr can get bodied if he fucks up early or gets camped early.
Irelia my #1 pick, Tabi+Wriggle's and zone the bitch. Rumble really works well I think, even though the goldfather guide says otherwise, but I refrain from playing Rumble for the same reason I don't play Olaf unless my buddy jungles Mundo (AXES!): he's an asshole and nobody should play that champ. Speaking of Olaf, I think he works pretty well, too, even if Riven maxes E.
I regularly beat Udyrs, but I guess they just don't know their champ very well. Pantheon, unless played superbly well, can be beaten pretty easily. I just use my +32 armor page and max E. I would say if both players know their champs 100%, Pantheon wins this lane, but the amount of effort he has to put into the lane to win it is exponentially higher, at least from where I'm standing. Might be my Elo. |
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| Bladeorade United States. May 16 2012 04:27. Posts 904 | Profile # |
On May 16 2012 04:12 Alaric wrote:
Who can reliably beat Riven btw? She's so annoying, even when you're supposed to have the advantage, with all that cc + damage on such short cooldowns. No idea who to pick, except I heard Irelia can do well if she doesn't lose too hard the first levels.
IDK how gold father can beat a Kayle with Riven.Kayle shits on her so bad |
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| barbsq United States. May 16 2012 04:31. Posts 3047 | Profile # |
On May 16 2012 04:26 SagaZ wrote:
I don't have alot of experience with the kayle solo match ups but she plays like an ad carry so she should have the same counters shared by all ad carrys.. mainly assassins
idk about that, her ult basically fucks up the whole idea of assassin, unless they literally kill you before you can alt+r. The fact that kayle can just negate a substantial amount of burst seems like she would be a lot stronger vs assassins than other ranged AD's because she can pretty much just stand there and hit them back. |
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| Seuss United States. May 16 2012 04:32. Posts 3120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2012 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Hecarim buff? Lol, inc Monte domination
inc Platinum Monte
I'll honestly be surprised if Hecarim becomes popular with this buff. He's not face roll enough, and his best builds are too different from other junglers for most players think to use them. |
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| OutlaW- Czech Republic. May 16 2012 04:33. Posts 3406 | Profile Blog # |
| Yes. She creates distance and possibly negates a lot of burst with ulti and then proceeds to kite the fuck out of the assassin. |
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| Sabin010 United States. May 16 2012 04:33. Posts 1041 | Profile # |
Sorry to derail the thread, but I did a little comparison.
I'm looking at this new Unholy Grail item and it got me thinking about how to get it into a build.
3 dorans rings cost 1425 and sell back for 714 meaning you're going to lose 711 gold on the deal. They proved 240 health 15 mana per 5, and give 45 ap.
Heart of gold + Chalice will cost you 1715 right now if you sell them both back its 1035 and you lose 680 on the deal. They provide 250 health, 30 MR, 7.5 mana per 5, 5 gold per 10, and the unique passive + 1% mana regen for each 1% mana you're missing.
Now if we're only getting 3 Doran's to sit in lane and farm when behind, wouldn't the Chalice and Heart of Gold provide better sustain through the more effective hp, and more farm from gold per 10. Once you're able to upgrade the chalice, you really only lose 413 gold when you sell the Heart of Gold. That means even if you throw the whole gold gained from the HoG out of the equation, you lose 413 instead of 711. The 298 gold you save in opportunity cost will make up the difference of 290 you pay for the initial items. Once the gold starts piling in from Heart of Gold it make it incredibly cost efficient.
So pro's and con's for Chalice/HoG
Pro's: 2 item slots, gold over time, more magic resist increasing effective hp, comparable magic regen (i have no clue how to do the math for that passive it's been years since calculus)
Cons: Costs a significant amount more initially, assumes 3 dorans rings, no bonus AP
Pro's and con's for 3x Doran's
Pro's: 45 AP, comparable mana regen stats, cheaper initially,
cons: less effective hp, greater sunk cost when sold, 3 item slots.
What do you guys think?Last edit: 2012-05-16 04:35:00 |
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| Parnage United States. May 16 2012 04:36. Posts 1836 | Profile Blog # |
Abit late but yeah,
The reason for Malphites increase of HP per level is the lack of HP for the champion in comparison to others. His old was +82 per level which is the same as Tristana for example. Kog'maw Get's +84 hp per level. Malphite now being up to 90 puts him on level with some of the other tanky/bruiser ish champions. Example: Udyr gets +99hp per level.
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| Sponkz Denmark. May 16 2012 04:39. Posts 883 | Profile # |
On May 16 2012 04:19 MooMooMugi wrote:
Olaf owns everyone top lane, borderline OP in my opinion
Yorick wants to have a word with you. I haven't lost any lane to olaf at 1650-1700 rating as yorick. |
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| OutlaW- Czech Republic. May 16 2012 04:44. Posts 3406 | Profile Blog # |
Because he's a gay faggot who only faggots play
Yeah, a well played yorick beats olafLast edit: 2012-05-16 04:44:40 |
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| wei2coolman United States. May 16 2012 04:48. Posts 10498 | Profile # |
| bragging about playing yorick. I seriously hope you don't do that. |
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| Ian Ian Ian May 16 2012 04:50. Posts 865 | Profile Blog # |
Ive been getting really annoyed with Riven top lately actually. Its getting more and more popular.
I think its ridiculous how much cc she has, then on top of that, cc'ing her during her combo does nothing. If you stun her, her shit still goes off all the fucking time. Like I stun her mid combo, she finishes a combo and manages an auto attack, then gets stunned. I feel like her combo is super glitchy.. |
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| Two_DoWn United States. May 16 2012 04:52. Posts 7272 | Profile Blog # |
| How long do you guys think it would take me to get banned if I played nothing but Eve in ranked? Provided I actually tried every game. |
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| OutlaW- Czech Republic. May 16 2012 04:53. Posts 3406 | Profile Blog # |
| There is a guy with 2000 elo doing that. |
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| Sabin010 United States. May 16 2012 04:54. Posts 1041 | Profile # |
On May 16 2012 04:50 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Ive been getting really annoyed with Riven top lately actually. Its getting more and more popular.
I think its ridiculous how much cc she has, then on top of that, cc'ing her during her combo does nothing. If you stun her, her shit still goes off all the fucking time. Like I stun her mid combo, she finishes a combo and manages an auto attack, then gets stunned. I feel like her combo is super glitchy..
I feel Teemo has the ability to bully her in lane. Blind the bitch and punish her for trying to farm, but if you can't snowball the lane with a few kills before she hits 6 watch the fuck out... |
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| XaCez Sweden. May 16 2012 04:54. Posts 2618 | Profile # |
CLG vs aAa, Support Soraka without GP10 and triple Dorans.
http://sv.twitch.tv/kaostv
Edit: A single GP10 now, Kage.Last edit: 2012-05-16 04:56:36 |
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| Shiv. May 16 2012 04:54. Posts 1903 | Profile # |
On May 16 2012 04:50 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Ive been getting really annoyed with Riven top lately actually. Its getting more and more popular.
I think its ridiculous how much cc she has, then on top of that, cc'ing her during her combo does nothing. If you stun her, her shit still goes off all the fucking time. Like I stun her mid combo, she finishes a combo and manages an auto attack, then gets stunned. I feel like her combo is super glitchy..
Not sure what you mean. The damage goes off before the animation finishes, but that's the case for a couple of champs. I really enjoy playing her and I really don't know what you mean, haven't experienced anything along those lines. Could you elaborate?
On May 16 2012 04:54 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 04:50 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Ive been getting really annoyed with Riven top lately actually. Its getting more and more popular.
I think its ridiculous how much cc she has, then on top of that, cc'ing her during her combo does nothing. If you stun her, her shit still goes off all the fucking time. Like I stun her mid combo, she finishes a combo and manages an auto attack, then gets stunned. I feel like her combo is super glitchy..
I feel Teemo has the ability to bully her in lane. Blind the bitch and punish her for trying to farm, but if you can't snowball the lane with a few kills before she hits 6 watch the fuck out...
If Riven plays the MU smart, she forfeits some farm early on and abuses the point post 6 pre phage for Teemo. Not sure what he can do against that without massive jungle help, but it's one of the harder lanes in my opinion.
On another note: is it just me or has Nautilus actually the potential to win his lane against Kennen? Last edit: 2012-05-16 04:57:41 |
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