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Think twice before hitting post; this thread will be moderated for idiocy and useless posts. Consider this a warning. | Arnstein May 02 2012 07:31. Posts 2613 | Profile Blog # |
| It's pretty amateur to write stuff like that. I don't know much about the SC2 scene, but I hope this guy is not a pro. |
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| Namenlos Germany. May 02 2012 07:32. Posts 71 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:29 MayorITC wrote:
So I'm just curious, but could a TL administrator/moderator clear something up for the community. Do you guys condone Destiny's behavior? I, and I'm sure many others as well, are extremely curious about TL's stance on this issue. Because I'm getting a lot of mixed messages based on past and current examples.
Why should they? They are not involved in this. No need for the pope to comment either. |
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 sGs.Stregon United States. May 02 2012 07:32. Posts 161 | Profile # |
The Sc2 communty, on a daily basis, proves to be just as bad, if not worst, than the League of Legends community =/..
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| Vari United States. May 02 2012 07:32. Posts 454 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:30 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:56 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 01 2012 22:54 chatuka wrote:
the intention was pretty racist by Destiny.
Destiny could of just left the game saying
"The absolute epitome of a skilless effing faggot" that's it.. But he adds on top of his rage with lowering his opponent to a non-human slur that degrades asian people. That is the problem here.
I understand that racism is here well and alive in 2012 all around the world. However, better people, especially professional SC2 players need to get over their tribal instincts and just be chill with other cultures.
Why the fuck is it ok to call someone a faggot but not a racial slur? Oh, it's not. He needs to quit doing both.
Wait klondi, i remember you, you're the kid who thought racism can only marginalize a minority right? You should probably learn what racism is before you comment on racism. Also, I do not find this offensive, one of the reasons I watch destiny is because he is so out-spoken. It is refreshing and enjoyable to me. On another note taboos like this historically prevent progress, I imagine that the same people who are complaining about this are the same types of people that historically have actually hunted taboo shit down. They are the same people who persecute for pushing the envelope and making possible progress. The same type of people who are now in a witch-hunt against density would have booed Stravinsky off the stage for offending standards and defiling music. These are the same types of people who would have agreed with the then status quo off hitler calling the work of the German impressionists the art of the degenerate. Despite it not being the best term he could have used people who push the envelope are the people that make progress and change. Going against progress is just anti-intellectual.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
it's progress to call people faggots and niggers now. that's a fucking laugh. |
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| lisN Germany. May 02 2012 07:32. Posts 32 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:25 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:22 gun.slinger wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured.
i expect that you will not get what you are expecting. do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch.
Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe
What the difference between the very thing you just said and using ' racist fucking word'. It's only on the internet that you can see people with such colorful vocabulary being offended by the term 'gook' even when the one who says the term isn't said to not be a racist by the one making the accusation.
because curses aren't the same as slurs. slurs are meant to offend specific groups of people, they make them to be less than. and it's not always about actually being racist. there is negativity in just using racist language. ditto calling people "faggot". you might support gay marriage! but calling people "faggot" in a way that is meant to make them feel bad is homophobic language, it's bad.
On May 02 2012 07:22 SkelA wrote:
I dont get it why any types of insults are fine as long as they are not racial like nigger, gook or w/e ?
Of course it is bad if the prevalent opinion of some race is that they are inferior to other races but using a slang word like "gook" or "nigger" don't necessarily contain anything like that. I have heared these words being used many times and I just think of them as insults like any other, so I don't really see the problem with using them. |
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| dUTtrOACh Canada. May 02 2012 07:32. Posts 1645 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:24 Arghmyliver wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:11 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:04 Femari wrote:
On May 02 2012 06:59 knOxStarcraft wrote:
On May 02 2012 06:53 henreiman wrote:
I'm sure this has been said before, but hilarious that at least five or six posts on the first page are telling OP to "grow up" when people recently crucified Orb for similar postings. Just goes to show that once you reach a certain celebrity people stop caring about respectfulness and tact.
Let's look at this from a different perspective, perhaps? We all want e-sports to go mainstream, right? For players to make 6 figure salaries and fans to have incredible experiences in massive hotels watching amazing tournaments worldwide? How can we honestly say this is going to happen when the community accepts this horrific language as normal practice. How can we yell at Idra for six-pooling and then be ok with racial slurs and intolerant epithets. What do you think an NBA athlete would get for saying these things? Think about the fact that there have been people fired from ESPN and news shows simply for inappropriate comments (chink in the armor, joke about penis size) regarding Jeremy Lin.
This is absolutely unacceptable and it is our responsibility to fix it.
I hate to keep adding to this idiotic thread but he said it on his personal stream which makes it different then someone from ESPN saying a racial slur. The fact is most people posting here wouldn't even know he does these things unless this guy posted something about it.
No actually that's not different. Even if it is on his personal stream he is still a public figure employed by Quantic. If any ESPN employee or personality said that on a stream they'd be fired immediately. The only thing that makes it different is the community believing that racist remarks are okay and Quantic obviously not giving a fuck about how their players act.
His "personal" stream is also at the TOP of the featured streams list (usually by virtue of alphabetical order) on this SC2/BW community website. Disregarding the branding of Quantic, the branding of TeamLiquid itself is at stake and worth protecting. Idra getting banned for calling Crusher a waste of life, while Destiny's constant use of hate speech for rager ratings is swept under the rug is a sign of mixed messages.
Bottom of Site: "The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff."
The one liner which never explained a single ban or justified the existence of moderators should not be used as a defense for what is essentially not defensible.
EDIT: I feel I should add that by "featuring" a stream, a process which is not in the hands of a user, but the website staff, a part of the onus for moderating the content does in fact fall on them whether they like it or not.Last edit: 2012-05-02 07:35:33 |
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| Natespank Canada. May 02 2012 07:32. Posts 448 | Profile # |
| I'm actually more curious about whether destiny actually read this thread. |
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| Arghmyliver United States. May 02 2012 07:33. Posts 663 | Profile Blog # |
On May 02 2012 07:26 halfies wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:22 ThomasHobbes wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured.
i expect that you will not get what you are expecting. do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch.
Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe
From context it doesn't even seem like the OP was Korean, the OP just bm'd Destiny and got rage in return. There's a huge difference between using slurs and being a racist.
using a racial slur shows that your are at least slightly racist, because you think that being of that race is a negative thing.
What? No it doesn't. It just means you used a bad word. Just like when I call someone dumb I don't mean I think that they are unable to speak or that that would be a negative thing. Or when I call someone a jackass I don't mean they look like a donkey or if they were a donkey it would be a bad thing. |
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| ReaperCo Sweden. May 02 2012 07:33. Posts 46 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:22 Nokshalees wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:10 dsousa wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:08 Psychobabas wrote:
here we go again...
bring the pitchforks!!!
except this time it won't work vs Destiny...
Exactly, it won't work, and next time the pitchforks won't scare anyone.
And then everyone would just spout racial slurs
Thats where your wrong i dont use racial slurs becouse im afriad of anything i dont use them becouse i dont like to use them, thats how it should be. Same with a political debate you should be allowed to debate anyone even Adolf hitler and then prove him wrong. We cant lie becouse then whats the point of humanity, if we live in a lie. And we are not living in Communist/Gestapo land. That have nothing to do with sc2 but think about it. He should be allowed to say it and take consiquenses for it. We know hes not a racist so maybe what he says donst mean that much right. |
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| Fueled United States. May 02 2012 07:34. Posts 1609 | Profile # |
It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything.
These words still having meaning.
Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. |
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| Sein United States. May 02 2012 07:34. Posts 1654 | Profile Blog # |
On May 02 2012 07:22 ThomasHobbes wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured.
i expect that you will not get what you are expecting. do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch.
Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe
From context it doesn't even seem like the OP was Korean, the OP just bm'd Destiny and got rage in return. There's a huge difference between using slurs and being a racist.
Are you aware what "DaeHanMinGuk" means?
Do you see the "ㅈㅈ" typed before Destiny decides to call him a gook? |
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| Bananafish May 02 2012 07:34. Posts 30 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:33 ReaperCo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:22 Nokshalees wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:10 dsousa wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:08 Psychobabas wrote:
here we go again...
bring the pitchforks!!!
except this time it won't work vs Destiny...
Exactly, it won't work, and next time the pitchforks won't scare anyone.
And then everyone would just spout racial slurs
Thats where your wrong i dont use racial slurs becouse im afriad of anything i dont use them becouse i dont like to use them, thats how it should be. Same with a political debate you should be allowed to debate anyone even Adolf hitler and then prove him wrong. We cant lie becouse then whats the point of humanity, if we live in a lie. And we are not living in Communist/Gestapo land. That have nothing to do with sc2 but think about it. He should be allowed to say it and take consiquenses for it. We know hes not a racist so maybe what he says donst mean that much right.
Jesus I hate this community |
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| Fueled United States. May 02 2012 07:34. Posts 1609 | Profile # |
I'm actually more curious about whether destiny actually read this thread.
He has read it and responded to it a few times. |
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| Jebotres Croatia. May 02 2012 07:34. Posts 48 | Profile # |
Hes so racist that a nigga like Deebo considers him a friend right?
Is the OP even asian? Did he blind skillshot an asian with ladder rage? And why is this shit not cool, but Idra wishing death upon people is totally fine? What the fuck.
Why does this community get so butthurt over silly shit like this?
User was temp banned for this post. |
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| captainwaffles United States. May 02 2012 07:34. Posts 845 | Profile Blog # |
Okay, so I've really looked at your OP and from what you said you want progamers (or popular streamers) too use racial slurs because there is a chance that the sc2 community as a whole would become lenient to the use of slurs? At first glance, good intentions, but we need to go deeper.
First thing I want to say is dude... I think you should really give the community more credit. I seriously doubt community figures (in this case Destiny) using racial slurs on stream would make it okay for widespread use in the community.
Second, the fact that threads like this go on for hundreds of pages every time its brought up should be an indicator that people aren't taking this sort of stuff lightly, most posts seem to either A) Not give a shit that someone is using slurs on the internet or B) Think its wrong that community figures (players, sorry orb) get away with stuff like this.
Third, tbh your post just reeks of an elementary school kid telling on someone for calling him names, why even make this thread? If he hurt your feelings then talk to him after the game or talk to his team, there is literally no reason to make a thread about something like this. It just really seems like you want some kind of witch hunt started.
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| Vari United States. May 02 2012 07:35. Posts 454 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:32 lisN wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:25 Vari wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:22 gun.slinger wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured.
i expect that you will not get what you are expecting. do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch.
Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe
What the difference between the very thing you just said and using ' racist fucking word'. It's only on the internet that you can see people with such colorful vocabulary being offended by the term 'gook' even when the one who says the term isn't said to not be a racist by the one making the accusation.
because curses aren't the same as slurs. slurs are meant to offend specific groups of people, they make them to be less than. and it's not always about actually being racist. there is negativity in just using racist language. ditto calling people "faggot". you might support gay marriage! but calling people "faggot" in a way that is meant to make them feel bad is homophobic language, it's bad.
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:22 SkelA wrote:
I dont get it why any types of insults are fine as long as they are not racial like nigger, gook or w/e ?
Of course it is bad if the prevalent opinion of some race is that they are inferior to other races but using a slang word like "gook" or "nigger" don't necessarily contain anything like that. I have heared these words being used many times and I just think of them as insults like any other, so I don't really see the problem with using them.
the language itself carries that meaning. words have meaning. if he doesn't mean to SOUND racist, he should use non racist language.
I can't tell you what destiny actually thinks. I can tell you that when he uses these words he SOUNDS like a racist and a hompohobe. |
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| FunnyPicture Sweden. May 02 2012 07:35. Posts 145 | Profile # |
| Wow, 112 pages? Really community? |
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 yeastiality Canada. May 02 2012 07:36. Posts 372 | Profile # |
On May 02 2012 07:34 Bananafish wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:33 ReaperCo wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:22 Nokshalees wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:10 dsousa wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:08 Psychobabas wrote:
here we go again...
bring the pitchforks!!!
except this time it won't work vs Destiny...
Exactly, it won't work, and next time the pitchforks won't scare anyone.
And then everyone would just spout racial slurs
Thats where your wrong i dont use racial slurs becouse im afriad of anything i dont use them becouse i dont like to use them, thats how it should be. Same with a political debate you should be allowed to debate anyone even Adolf hitler and then prove him wrong. We cant lie becouse then whats the point of humanity, if we live in a lie. And we are not living in Communist/Gestapo land. That have nothing to do with sc2 but think about it. He should be allowed to say it and take consiquenses for it. We know hes not a racist so maybe what he says donst mean that much right.
Jesus I hate this community
Responding irrationally doesn't help anybody. You don't have to respond to everyone who posts in the thread if you can't pull it off in a way that helps rather than hinders the discussion.
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| betaman United Kingdom. May 02 2012 07:36. Posts 307 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 23:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 23:13 betaman wrote:
On May 01 2012 22:46 Doraemon wrote:
wow.everyone is so dismissive of the utilisation of "gook" but the lynchers are out for the "n-word"
Destiny uses the "n-word" all the time though, it's kinda his thing to be as offensive as possible. The 12 to 14 year olds and people with that level of maturity that watch his stream lap it up. Comparing Destiny and Orb directly is not relevant, one as a caster, is chosen to represent the community and has to show a degree of professionalism. If any caster used one of these racist terms it would have large detrimental effect on their careers. Destiny, although part of a team, essentially works for himself and seems unlikely to change his ways anytime soon.
Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 01:55 betaman wrote:
On March 09 2012 01:37 Slardar wrote:
HEY THREAD,
Let Him/Her who is without sin cast the first stone.
People going all wild and rampant about this is not the answer, its the internet. We've all said and done things we may or may not regret, so we should cut Orb some slack. Once he's making millions like the Sports Commentators, we can burn him at the stake but until then stop going on a witchhunt. Although I don't agree at ALL with what he has said, as long as he apologizes (which he has) and makes a conscious effort to act professional in order to lead the scene then all is well. The caveat is you can only do this oh so many times, if you can't be mature and act professional then you should be promptly removed or step down from the scene.
I can safely say I've never called someone a nigger but, regardless, im not in a position of prominence in the scene like he is. Do we really want someone that uses such language and talks about burning people for kicks representing this community?
Time to start calling out the hypocrites in this thread who, back when the orb controversy was going, felt that he should be damned but now are seeking to make excuses for Destiny. I'll even do you the favor of not quoting your other posts bashing orb. It's silly to suggest that a distinction should be made between players and casters, considering that Destiny is less known for his play than for his prominence in the community. You can't apply different standards to those you like and those you don't.
LOL, I guess I should feel proud that you remember posts I wrote months ago but seems you don’t even understand what I wrote. First of all I don’t like or dislike Destiny and I have zero interest in him or his stream. I don’t condone the use of these words in any capacity and I don’t even think his stream should be featured on TL but I also feel that if you want to use these words on your own stream then that is your prerogative (don’t cry if it bites you on the arse though). Destiny does not hold much prominence in the community for me. His juvenile behaviour and language appeals to a small minority but if Destiny was to become a caster, I would be against it. I do not want someone that hands out racial slurs like they are candy representing this community. As it stands he works for himself and as long as he is not breaking any laws he can do what he wants. I hope that is simple enough for you to understand. |
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| babylon May 02 2012 07:36. Posts 6231 | Profile Blog # |
Did someone just compare Destiny to Stravinsky?
Bro, that's just not right. :/ |
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