On June 14 2012 00:28 lefix wrote: Because of the misbehaviour of the russian fans, Russia has been fined 120.000€ and got a 6 point penalty in the next euro qualifiers, on probation. That's some strict ruling, imho. But with to the probation, this might be a good way to shut up the hooligans. What do you think?
In 2006 Denmark played against Sweden.
Sweden got ahead 3-0 Denmark managed to equalize 3-3.
A few minutes before the final whistle a danish player commits a penalty and gets a red card. However a fan was so mad (and drunk) he rushed onto the field to attack the referee. Two danish players saved him and the referee was unharmed. However he chose to simply say "Nope, this can't happen in a professional game. Sweden wins 3-0".
It was so stupid. They'd probably scored on the penalty and won 4-3, which would have been an amazing result. But ONE fan had to blow it for the entire nation. So yeah, I think a bunch of russian fans who perform violence should be punished. It's stupid how fans can harm their team, but I guess it's the only way UEFA can act to help preventing these incedents
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On June 14 2012 00:28 lefix wrote: Because of the misbehaviour of the russian fans, Russia has been fined 120.000€ and got a 6 point penalty in the next euro qualifiers, on probation. That's some strict ruling, imho. But with to the probation, this might be a good way to shut up the hooligans. What do you think?
I think this is the wrong way to react. If anything, I think it would have been better to simply restrict official ticket sales to Russian fans for the next Euro rather than penalize the team. Obviously they'd be available through other means, but at least it sends a message to the fans that that kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. Besides, what control does the team have over its fans other than requesting them to behave nicely?
I understand why the penalty has to be enforced, I just don't agree with the way in which it's being implemented.
On June 15 2012 02:13 Proseat wrote: Here's a funny from last night's Germany vs Netherlands match
"What animals do not shoot goals?" -- "Robben." (German for "seals" hehe)
And yeah, the following was also priceless last night...
Let's see what tonight's matches will bring...
yeah you can tell he enjoys surprising the ball boy's from behind
As I heard, this scene was recorded before and was thrown in as the match was running, so it looked like it was being live (or happened just a few moments before). The german broadcaster ZDF complaint about it, afaik.
On June 14 2012 00:28 lefix wrote: Because of the misbehaviour of the russian fans, Russia has been fined 120.000€ and got a 6 point penalty in the next euro qualifiers, on probation. That's some strict ruling, imho. But with to the probation, this might be a good way to shut up the hooligans. What do you think?
I think this is the wrong way to react. If anything, I think it would have been better to simply restrict official ticket sales to Russian fans for the next Euro rather than penalize the team. Obviously they'd be available through other means, but at least it sends a message to the fans that that kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. Besides, what control does the team have over its fans other than requesting them to behave nicely?
I understand why the penalty has to be enforced, I just don't agree with the way in which it's being implemented.
I wonder, if these people are worth being called "fans"...
On June 14 2012 00:28 lefix wrote: Because of the misbehaviour of the russian fans, Russia has been fined 120.000€ and got a 6 point penalty in the next euro qualifiers, on probation. That's some strict ruling, imho. But with to the probation, this might be a good way to shut up the hooligans. What do you think?
I think this is the wrong way to react. If anything, I think it would have been better to simply restrict official ticket sales to Russian fans for the next Euro rather than penalize the team. Obviously they'd be available through other means, but at least it sends a message to the fans that that kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. Besides, what control does the team have over its fans other than requesting them to behave nicely?
I understand why the penalty has to be enforced, I just don't agree with the way in which it's being implemented.
Its pretty straightforward. Your behavior will hurt your team. It will be your fault stop doing it. If nothing else that should deter people the most. Not getting tickets isnt very high up when it comes to dampening the motivation to do something stupid.
This issue of drawing on purpose doesn't even come up here. Denmark needs to win. They only have 3 points. Also, if Denmark and Portugal both win, there are 3 teams with 6 points and Germany might be eliminated. Both matches are played at the same time. Now if they know the Netherlands leads with 4 goals in the second half and they are still tied, they will probably keep it tied.
But if you go into a match with the attitude to not win, that's bad for the growing into the tournament. Germany needs to develop momentum. They are pretty likely to go on. So their main concern is to get more confidence and trust and grow as a team. They aren't going in there worried about facing the Dutch in the finals. And they shouldn't be either.
V Marwijk is an idiot btw. Only coach in the world that would have fielded this team in the first place, then hang on to it even after it is too late to change. He has an iron grip on what players say before the camera. None of them dare to show the dissatisfaction most of them have. But on the field they flat out ignore vMarwijk and all play their own game, worried about making their own mistakes and plays.
The team is completely split in half. They play without a midfield. It's like the defending like and the attacking line are in a huge disagreement with each other and they refuse to help each other out of spite, blowing up a team that already was disfunctional (remember their bad play at the WC? Well you should. The team functioned worse on the WC yet some individual players exceled and carried the team).
If vMarwijk didn't have to bring 23 players he would just have come with 16 because he is never going to use the 17th guy, ever. He wasted two slots on older players who aren't able to play even if it was needed (Bouma and Boulahrouz). These guys are like player-assistent coaches or something. And he brought several talents he doesn't trust to play, ever.
Here's my view on the Group of Death situation. It's actually quite hard to predict who's going to qualify.
- If Portugal and Denmark both WIN, then it will be a matter of who scored more goals in their respective matches - If Portugal and Denmark both LOSE, then it will be a matter of who lost the least amount of goals. However, if Netherlands manages to thrash Portugal (unlikely) then the dutch can qualify!
- If Portugal loses and Denmark wins, then Denmark will qualify, vice versa if Portugal won and Denmark lost.
IMO, Portugal does have the highest chance of qualifying, unless Denmark made an under-the-table deal with Germany (lol)
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Sanctimonius United Kingdom. June 16 2012 14:30. Posts 849
Sadly Holland don't deserve to go through on the basis of their play so far. The team is completely falling apart and obviously hate playing vMarwijk's system, and none of them seem to even like each other or want to play together, the sole exception being Sneijder - he's been trying and you can really see that. Sadly Robben hasn't been doing much except his special move of cut inside, shoot and sky it, then look around angrily because obviously it's everyone else's fault.
I wanted Holland to go far because I like more of their players but now I'm hoping Denmark will be there. They've played hard and aren't scared of the 'bigger' teams. I just wish the commentators would recognise that they really do have quality in the side and stop talking about what an amazing surprise it is that they can defend/string together passes/score goals.
You live the life you choose.
Doctorbeat Netherlands. June 16 2012 22:02. Posts 3237
On June 16 2012 09:23 alderamin wrote: This issue of drawing on purpose doesn't even come up here. Denmark needs to win. They only have 3 points. Also, if Denmark and Portugal both win, there are 3 teams with 6 points and Germany might be eliminated. Both matches are played at the same time. Now if they know the Netherlands leads with 4 goals in the second half and they are still tied, they will probably keep it tied.
But if you go into a match with the attitude to not win, that's bad for the growing into the tournament. Germany needs to develop momentum. They are pretty likely to go on. So their main concern is to get more confidence and trust and grow as a team. They aren't going in there worried about facing the Dutch in the finals. And they shouldn't be either.
V Marwijk is an idiot btw. Only coach in the world that would have fielded this team in the first place, then hang on to it even after it is too late to change. He has an iron grip on what players say before the camera. None of them dare to show the dissatisfaction most of them have. But on the field they flat out ignore vMarwijk and all play their own game, worried about making their own mistakes and plays.
The team is completely split in half. They play without a midfield. It's like the defending like and the attacking line are in a huge disagreement with each other and they refuse to help each other out of spite, blowing up a team that already was disfunctional (remember their bad play at the WC? Well you should. The team functioned worse on the WC yet some individual players exceled and carried the team).
If vMarwijk didn't have to bring 23 players he would just have come with 16 because he is never going to use the 17th guy, ever. He wasted two slots on older players who aren't able to play even if it was needed (Bouma and Boulahrouz). These guys are like player-assistent coaches or something. And he brought several talents he doesn't trust to play, ever.
Just think about a kid like Willems going to have to play vs Nani...
vdWiel will probably have an ok time, he likes attacking the flanks and Chrissy doesn't ever defend.
He proposed Stekelenburg as GK, defensive mids Mathijsen/Heitinga, with Bouhlarouz at left back and vdWiel at right back. Both vBommel+De Jong out, and replaced by Strootman (personally I think that could be de Jong too, but hey). Kuyt as right forward, Robben as left forward. On the midfield Sneijder and vPersie, with Huntelaar as deep striker.
The whole idea would be to spam assists for Huntelaar, which also gives Sneijder and RvP the room they need to excel. RvP doesn't work that great as the guy on the penalty dot, Huntelaar does. Also note that pretty much all of the goals against Portugal were headers. Huntelaar has way better head capabilities than RvP.
kakaman United States. June 16 2012 22:50. Posts 1530
OH MY GOD.. What I wouldn't do to be part of that crowd :-(
Dutch people and dutch fans are awesome.. I don't care what anyone says!
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
On June 14 2012 08:15 Mentalizor wrote: Can anyone explain what happens in a tiebreak?
If Netherlands beats Portugal - and Germany beats Denmark we'll have: Germany 3-0 Denmark 1-2 Netherlands 1-2 Portugal 1-2
And in case Denmark wins and Portugal wins, we'll have Germany 2-1 Denmark 2-1 Portugal 2-1 Netherlands 0-3
In case both games draw Germany 2-1-0 Denmark 1-1-1 Portugal 1-1-1 Netherlands 0-1-0
This can easilly become a threeway tie. Or at least a tiebreaker for 2nd place. Is it the winner of the game between the tiebreakers? Is it scored goals? Goal difference (I don't know if that's the english term, but you get my point) I'm afraid Denmark can't use the goals today if we tiebreak against Portugal. Or am I missing something?
Here are all the tiebreak scenarios: For case 1 above, three teams at 3 points: If Netherlands beats Portugal by 2 goals or more, Netherlands gets the spot (they will have best GD in games among the 3). If Netherlands beats Portugal by 1 goal, Portugal gets the spot (they will have the most goals scored in games among the 3). Denmark can't get the spot if they lose.
For case 2, three teams at 6 points: If Denmark beats Germany by 2 goals or more, order is 1. Denmark, 2. Portugal (by GD in games among 3) If Denmark beats Germany 1-0, order is 1. Portugal 2. Denmark (by Goals scored in games among 3, then Portugal head to head over Den.) If Denmark beats Germany 2-1, order is 1. Denmark 2. Portugal (by goals scored in games among the 3) If Denmark beats Germany 3-2 or higher 1 goal win, order is 1. Denmark 2. Germany (by goals scored in games among the 3, then Germany over Port. head to head)
For case 3, Portugal and Denmark tied at 4 points, Portugal gets the spot by winning head to head.
If Germany and Portugal tie at 6, order is 1. Germany 2. Portugal If Germany and Denmark tie at 6, order is 1. Denmark 2. Germany.
What each team needs to advance: Netherlands: Win by 2+ goals and Germany beats Denmark
Denmark: Win, or draw and Netherlands beats Portugal
Portugal: Win as long as Denmark doesn't beat Germany by 3-2 or higher 1 goal margin, Draw and Denmark draw or loss, or lose by 1 and Germany beats Denmark
Germany: Win, Draw, lose 3-2 or higher 1 goal margin, or any loss if Portugal doesn't win
Last edit: 2012-06-17 09:26:09
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
And last night I just watched the 2 worst teams qualify from Group A. Crazy lol.
Czech: I really cannot rate the Czech Rep atm since they just don't look anywhere near as good as they have in the recent past and they didn't look all that great in qualifying vs crap like us (Scotland).
Greece: Well god knows how they managed it, I've only seen highlights from the Russia v Greece game (was watching the Poland v Czech one) and it looks like Russia had more chances. Typical defend for your lives Greece I guess, I half expect to see them in full Hoplite gear in phalanx formation around their goal in the QF :D
Poland and Russia: Well Russia self explanatory, amazing against Czech and they drew with the hosts. That's usually enough to put you through. I really think they kinda expected it was all over though and maybe didn't play as well as they could have? As for Poland, I actually think they did really well. The first game turned scrappy in the 2nd half but players like Błaszczykowski, Lewandowski, Piszczek and more they actually looked the part for at least the QF.
Shocked to say the least. A very poor Greece (imo) and a very average looking Czech Republic just got through against the 2 most exciting (imo) teams in Group A.
On June 14 2012 00:28 lefix wrote: Because of the misbehaviour of the russian fans, Russia has been fined 120.000€ and got a 6 point penalty in the next euro qualifiers, on probation. That's some strict ruling, imho. But with to the probation, this might be a good way to shut up the hooligans. What do you think?
In 2006 Denmark played against Sweden.
Sweden got ahead 3-0 Denmark managed to equalize 3-3.
A few minutes before the final whistle a danish player commits a penalty and gets a red card. However a fan was so mad (and drunk) he rushed onto the field to attack the referee. Two danish players saved him and the referee was unharmed. However he chose to simply say "Nope, this can't happen in a professional game. Sweden wins 3-0".
It was so stupid. They'd probably scored on the penalty and won 4-3, which would have been an amazing result. But ONE fan had to blow it for the entire nation. So yeah, I think a bunch of russian fans who perform violence should be punished. It's stupid how fans can harm their team, but I guess it's the only way UEFA can act to help preventing these incedents
Edit - Yep I was wrong, they kept the 0-3. Wow. Years ago when Scotland turned up in Talinn in Estonia to play vs Estonia and the home side didn't turn up AT ALL, Scotland were awarded a 3-0 win but then Estonia appealed and I think the rematch was 0-0 lol. Very strange tbh. One nutter fan ruins it for their nation, very sad.
On June 17 2012 18:12 Mallidon wrote: Well Russia self explanatory, amazing against Czech and they drew with the hosts. That's usually enough to put you through. I really think they kinda expected it was all over though and maybe didn't play as well as they could have?
That's just classic Russia: Getting everyone excited at the start of the tournament, but running out of steam later on.
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