On May 25 2012 10:31 LuciferSC wrote: So.. here are some of the facts - obesity is not genetic as far as what current research shows. We have not been able to find the 'obesity gene' in humans, even though we were able to isolate them in rats.
That isn't how science works. We couldn't find genes for vast majority of things that are considered genetic. What proves that it is genetic are studies on exact twins that were split at birth, and how similar they weight is, and that adopted child has weight that is statistically correlated with the weight of his biological parents, and not significantly related with adopted parents that is how you look for genetic causes. Also finding one gene that you can manipulate in mouse to cause obesity doesn't prove that there is no other gene that could correlate with lipophilia.
We've known for a while the effects of leptin on appetite & adipose tissue production.
Please do take a close look at the abstract - they clearly state that the gene was found on rodents, NOT humans, and they make an assumption that because rodents are genetically similar to humans that what applies to them would apply to us as well. A fairly convincing arguement, but assumption none-the-less.
And welcome to the world of applied science. The responsibility is on the one that's making a claim to come up with study to support their claim. Until we have a valid research supporting something, that claim is considered 'invalid'. That's how things work, ie. in the field of health care, or 'medicine'
in science you dont need direct evidence (i.e. finding that damn gene) to believe in a theory. you guys already mentioned indirect evidences for the theory to be true, so it will be considered true until someone comes up with a better theory. welcome to the world of actual science.
sure, it's not a particularly applicable theory right now, but a really good one none-the-less . far from an "invalid claim".
On May 25 2012 20:13 beg wrote:sure, it's not a particularly applicable theory right now, but a really good one none-the-less . far from an "invalid claim".
I think that it is applicable, it doesn't make sense for fat person to try, and do what lean person does as they are usually genetically fundamentally different. Unless you think that genes influence behaviour but that wouldn't explain why hi fat low carb diets where you don't limit caloric intake work.
On May 25 2012 10:31 LuciferSC wrote: So.. here are some of the facts - obesity is not genetic as far as what current research shows. We have not been able to find the 'obesity gene' in humans, even though we were able to isolate them in rats.
Most obese people do become obese by lifestyle choice - statistics show that under-educated have higher incidence of obesity, and while other reasons such as being in lower socioeconomic sector could play a role (lower level of education has direct correlation with lower socioeconomic status), one could argue that it is due to them not realizing the importance of not being obese.
It is a fact that obesity & also being overweight (distinction made in terms of medical definition, where overweight = BMI > 25, and obesity = BMI > 30) are sicker and spend more health care dollars.
Economic costs of obesity and inactivity, Colditz GA. Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, and Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA. graham.colditz@channing.harvard.edu
Referencing the research above, in 1995, obese population costed US healthcare $94 billion dollars. That's right. $94 billion dollars. and that's not even the true number. We need to add in the potential loss in the economic contribution those people would've made if they didn't die earlier due to obesity. The number would easily go beyond $100 billion dollars.
So from employer's point of view, as we have studies proving that obese people cost more for health cost, both direct and indirect (ie. sick hours, etc) they could argue that it costs more to hire an obese person.
From only what you've stated about that study, it only states that obese people had cost US healthcare $94b. That doesn't mean that the obesity was the cause for it, but that those people were obese.
That is what indirect study is - it's called correlation & it's called statistics. I could easily quote you another study, but if you can't understand what that research is saying, you ain't gonna understand that one either.
Interestingly enough, I've read in various places that in the long run, obesity saves the healthcare system money because obese people generally die young and cheaply (think heart attacks, etc.) while those who are healthy cost much more if you integrate over their entire lifetimes because they simply use the healthcare system for more years and die of expensive diseases (cancer, Alzheimer's, etc.).
That is an example of a poorly done study. Check out the 'comment' section of the research.
A quote from one of the comments: "Surprisingly, the article makes no mention of patient contributions to the health care system. Those contributions, which are also monotonically increasing, take place directly through client payments, payments from employers, and payments from insurers, and indirectly through increased participation in the work force and increased cumulative taxation. By including patient expenditures while excluding any mention of patient revenues, the analysis presents a skewed picture of the true financial effects of prevention on the health care system."
The study only looks at one side of the picture and draws a false conclusion, not to mention the fact that obesity is the cause of extra health care spending on obese population. By preventing them from becoming obese, we would save money on their health care cost + benefit from their societal and economic contribution.
I said the same thing in my next post? :/
On May 25 2012 16:08 Empyrean wrote: I think much of the economic argument from the other side is the opportunity cost of wasted productivity due to obesity. Obese people are less productive [citation needed here, obviously] than non-obese people, and thus contribute less to the economy. They obviously live fewer years on average, but I'm not sure if years spent gainfully employed are significantly different. In any case, their argument comes from the other side (not that they cost more, but that they produce less).
EDIT: Jury's still out on my personal view. Gotta work out some ethical kinks.
Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Biggest problem i believe is in our society and WHO.
Most doctors are spreading false dietary recomendations. Obese ppl try to change their life, follow those rules for several weeks, feels like crap while they burn their muscle weight, slow their metabolism down even more and eventually give up.
I have heard hundread of times about recomending obese person low-fat high-carb diet. They forbid them to eat obvious thinks like cookies, chips, majonese, fat meat products but even meat, eggs or butter. They dont forbid bread, pasta, cereals (which can have similar calories or glycemic index like cookies).
Until whole society catches up to the fact that for last decades dietary recomendations have been wrong obese ppl are doomed unless they do major digging themselves.
If you have fatass friend just advice him to cycle carbs and work out to increase muscle mass and basal metabolism, zone diet or ideally paleo diet (+ milk if he digest it well). I like those diets becouse they are used by sportsmen to be lean and to have energy to perform at the same time + they take insulin levels into consideration.
Another problem i believe is in guality of food produced. Obviously cost is most important so producers (i cant call them farmers) feed livestock with corn instead of grass. As result they drop omega 3 acids brutally. Similar trend can be seen amongs all kinds of food, sausages with carbohydrates instead of meat etc.
Overall i believe we live in age where smart person with time to study and money to buy quality food can be lean with almost every genetic predisposition for obesity. On the other hand if person is lacking one of those attributes and has friends or family with wrong habbits he can struggle through his entire life without getting desired results.
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Yeah people are really annoying when you're obese.
I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, drink coffee. I'm always on time, a hard worker, etc. I've never had a job where an employer told me I was doing terrible or such.
My weakness is self-control over food. I guess that makes me a worse worker than that drug addict that's skinny.
But I've lost about 35 pounds in the last 8 months since I just stopped buying junk food (mostly). I just found a job 6 km away, so I now walk 12 km a day. I imagine I will keep losing weight pretty quickly now ahah.
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Yeah people are really annoying when you're obese.
I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, drink coffee. I'm always on time, a hard worker, etc. I've never had a job where an employer told me I was doing terrible or such.
My weakness is self-control over food. I guess that makes me a worse worker than that drug addict that's skinny.
But I've lost about 35 pounds in the last 8 months since I just stopped buying junk food (mostly). I just found a job 6 km away, so I now walk 12 km a day. I imagine I will keep losing weight pretty quickly now ahah.
cool. yea, you will probably lose weight pretty fast now O.O. you eat and like vegetables/fruit? i'm realizing more and more how to prepare amazing stuff out of vegetables. all you have to do is lose your fear of garlic and a whole new world starts to open up for you
i recommend making a joghurt dip with chives and A LOT OF GARLIC. like twice as much as you're thinking now :D. salt/pepper too, obviously. then eating it with tomatoe slices or any vegetable you think is suitable.
god, it's better than pizza.
thread has been overtaken by fat people now. :D. go away everyone.
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Yeah people are really annoying when you're obese.
I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, drink coffee. I'm always on time, a hard worker, etc. I've never had a job where an employer told me I was doing terrible or such.
My weakness is self-control over food. I guess that makes me a worse worker than that drug addict that's skinny.
But I've lost about 35 pounds in the last 8 months since I just stopped buying junk food (mostly). I just found a job 6 km away, so I now walk 12 km a day. I imagine I will keep losing weight pretty quickly now ahah.
cool. yea, you will probably lose weight pretty fast now O.O. you eat and like vegetables/fruit? i'm realizing more and more how to prepare amazing stuff out of vegetables. all you have to do is lose your fear of garlic and a whole new world starts to open up for you
i recommend making a joghurt dip with chives and A LOT OF GARLIC. like twice as much as you're thinking now :D. salt/pepper too, obviously. then eating it with tomatoe slices or any vegetable you think is suitable.
god, it's better than pizza.
thread has been overtaken by fat people now. :D. go away everyone.
I pretty much eat rice with frozen vegetables. I'm too poor to afford real food lol.
And bananas. They just give those things away, like 2$ for 6 bananas. Crazy shit.
*EDIT : This thread just convinced me to use the ignore feature for TL. No joke, this thread is the worst I've seen on TL. Worse than any LR thread. Some of you people have some seriously disturbing opinions; such that I don't want to read your other opinions.
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Yeah people are really annoying when you're obese.
I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, drink coffee. I'm always on time, a hard worker, etc. I've never had a job where an employer told me I was doing terrible or such.
My weakness is self-control over food. I guess that makes me a worse worker than that drug addict that's skinny.
But I've lost about 35 pounds in the last 8 months since I just stopped buying junk food (mostly). I just found a job 6 km away, so I now walk 12 km a day. I imagine I will keep losing weight pretty quickly now ahah.
cool. yea, you will probably lose weight pretty fast now O.O. you eat and like vegetables/fruit? i'm realizing more and more how to prepare amazing stuff out of vegetables. all you have to do is lose your fear of garlic and a whole new world starts to open up for you
i recommend making a joghurt dip with chives and A LOT OF GARLIC. like twice as much as you're thinking now :D. salt/pepper too, obviously. then eating it with tomatoe slices or any vegetable you think is suitable.
god, it's better than pizza.
thread has been overtaken by fat people now. :D. go away everyone.
I pretty much eat rice with frozen vegetables. I'm too poor to afford real food lol.
And bananas. They just give those things away, like 2$ for 6 bananas. Crazy shit.
oh man, if i actually had a lot of money, my eating problems would all be solved instantly. i would buy kilograms of raspberries, blackberries, strawberries... that stuff is so expensive.
anyway, gl to you my not-so-lazy fatass friend. walking 12km everyday. that should be amazingly effective. i could walk about 12km to the train station too... but... bike is so much faster :/. yea i'm so lazy :/. disrespect me, please.
Keitzer United States. May 26 2012 06:29. Posts 2505
Not taking care of yourself = not being able to do a simple task efficiently.
I'd discriminate against fat people all day if i had to.
Look.. being black doesn't make you less of a hard worker, being old doesn't make you less of a hard worker, being a woman doesn't make you less of a hard worker... but being obese (yes obese, not slightly overweight, i'm talking 275+lbs of fat) is bad. It shows your character and inability to keep your own. Why would i trust you with tasks that help ME when you can't even help yourself (maybe to some food.. bad joke..)
If you can't find the time of the day to work out every once in a while to stay fit, that means you're not dedicated enough to keeping yourself healthy. If YOUR OWN LIFE isn't enough of a reason to get motivated, i DOUBT the job i'm interviewing you for has enough potential.
I'm like badass squared | KeitZer.489
XxVenem94xX United States. May 26 2012 06:31. Posts 41
I'm obese (working on it though, have dropped almost 40 pounds so far yay) And yes I've been discriminated against, but no I've never felt self-concious of my body at work. I'm very confident in my skin, and if it wasn't for the way that fat people were treated, I'd still be fat. Not that I can't handle the jokes, or the snickering every now and then, it's just that discrimination against fat people exist. It just plain does, but it's rational discrimination. Especially in instances such as the OP describes, the texas hospital. A hospital setting is not some place where they need people who can walk 10 feet and then have to catch their breathe while the guy in the hospital bed down the hall is starting to turn blue/purple. People in hospitals are on their feet all day, and there's good reason for it, it's not because hospitals have some hidden code where they have to make people walk all the time, it's because there's so much to do, and you have to have people who can do it. Not people who have to take a 15 minute break every time they come back from checking on a patient.
EDIT: One thing I can't stand though, is when you're discriminated upon because your fat, and it's only because the person hiring you is skinny/doesn't like fat people. Sure, I'm overweight, but I don't think I'm going to be using a lot of physical exertion sitting at a desk typing on a computer. Hell, I'm an expert at that, it's the reason I'm overweight for christ sakes! ><. Most discrimination in terms of weight in jobs are well founded and make sense, but some of it just makes me wonder what goes through peoples head.
Last edit: 2012-05-26 06:34:29
Supamang United States. May 26 2012 06:32. Posts 2084
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Yeah people are really annoying when you're obese.
I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, drink coffee. I'm always on time, a hard worker, etc. I've never had a job where an employer told me I was doing terrible or such.
My weakness is self-control over food. I guess that makes me a worse worker than that drug addict that's skinny.
But I've lost about 35 pounds in the last 8 months since I just stopped buying junk food (mostly). I just found a job 6 km away, so I now walk 12 km a day. I imagine I will keep losing weight pretty quickly now ahah.
Yeah, maybe you have kind of a point about the drug addict before he gets hooked on drugs, but if hes already on drugs theres a much stronger physical dependency on the drugs for him than there is for you and your junk food.
If you suddenly stop eating junk food and start eating good food, somehow I doubt youll be in as bad of shape as the drug addict who suddenly tries to stop using drugs.
On May 26 2012 03:35 beg wrote: you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
lol...so thats your attitude? "Good for you"? Are you one of those guys that says "Well this is just the way I am so learn to deal with it", but is just as disgusted with himself as anyone else?
Oh and blaming your health on luck, or fate, or God or whatever...just pathetic. Unlike people who have breast cancer or have a tree fall on them, you weren't suddenly hit with a "fat disease". How sad is it that you can't even take control of your own self for lack of trying, then blame unknown outside forces? Dont come in telling people who work hard and make sacrifices that somehow they were lucky that they reap the benefits of their efforts. Ive known people who were very over weight in high school. One kid had the nickname "Panda" because he was just a big fluffy Asian kid. I look at his facebook 4 years later and hes as thin and healthy as an athlete.
You're gonna tell that guy that he was "born lucky"? He was as overweight as any other overweight person Id seen when I first met him. If he was born with anything at all, he was born as a fat guy who later decided to make the effort to become healthy. I applaud his hard work. I despise your rationalization and lack of personal responsibility.
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Yeah people are really annoying when you're obese.
I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, drink coffee. I'm always on time, a hard worker, etc. I've never had a job where an employer told me I was doing terrible or such.
My weakness is self-control over food. I guess that makes me a worse worker than that drug addict that's skinny.
But I've lost about 35 pounds in the last 8 months since I just stopped buying junk food (mostly). I just found a job 6 km away, so I now walk 12 km a day. I imagine I will keep losing weight pretty quickly now ahah.
cool. yea, you will probably lose weight pretty fast now O.O. you eat and like vegetables/fruit? i'm realizing more and more how to prepare amazing stuff out of vegetables. all you have to do is lose your fear of garlic and a whole new world starts to open up for you
i recommend making a joghurt dip with chives and A LOT OF GARLIC. like twice as much as you're thinking now :D. salt/pepper too, obviously. then eating it with tomatoe slices or any vegetable you think is suitable.
god, it's better than pizza.
thread has been overtaken by fat people now. :D. go away everyone.
I pretty much eat rice with frozen vegetables. I'm too poor to afford real food lol.
And bananas. They just give those things away, like 2$ for 6 bananas. Crazy shit.
Try stir-frying the veggies with the rice after it's done, with some soy sauce, it makes everything taste way better. (Wait for the veggies to thaw, though).
On May 26 2012 03:23 arthurrr157 wrote: Why would you hire somebody who is not capable of maintaining a basic level of fitness/health? Predetermined obesity is not the the rule but the exception. Obviously this is a poor decision, there are an absolutely absurd amount of reasons to desire to not be obese
you think obese people do not desire to not be obese? you think they feel like they have a choice? maybe you are a master of willpower. good for you.
maybe US citizens think about these topics in such a harsh way, cause you have so many obese people. i think in europe people are much nicer at this topic O.O.... i'm always shocked reading about your attitudes.
i actually think all of you have just been lucky with how you were raised and how your brains work. it's not your accomplishment. it was most likely sheer luck. GRATZ!
Yeah people are really annoying when you're obese.
I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, drink coffee. I'm always on time, a hard worker, etc. I've never had a job where an employer told me I was doing terrible or such.
My weakness is self-control over food. I guess that makes me a worse worker than that drug addict that's skinny.
But I've lost about 35 pounds in the last 8 months since I just stopped buying junk food (mostly). I just found a job 6 km away, so I now walk 12 km a day. I imagine I will keep losing weight pretty quickly now ahah.
Yeah, maybe you have kind of a point about the drug addict before he gets hooked on drugs, but if hes already on drugs theres a much stronger physical dependency on the drugs for him than there is for you and your junk food.
If you suddenly stop eating junk food and start eating good food, somehow I doubt youll be in as bad of shape as the drug addict who suddenly tries to stop using drugs.
just consider the statistics of how many diets every fat person tried and failed. judging from that, the addiction to food is on an equal level to nicotine (which is statistically equal to crack). i can judge this by experience.
IT IS FUCKING HARD. i think stopping to smoke is actually a little bit easier. at least the urge to smoke went away after not smoking for 3 months. the urge to eat always stays with me.
On May 26 2012 06:32 Supamang wrote: lol...so thats your attitude? "Good for you"? Are you one of those guys that says "Well this is just the way I am so learn to deal with it", but is just as disgusted with himself as anyone else?
Oh and blaming your health on luck, or fate, or God or whatever...just pathetic. Unlike people who have breast cancer or have a tree fall on them, you weren't suddenly hit with a "fat disease". How sad is it that you can't even take control of your own self for lack of trying, then blame unknown outside forces? Dont come in telling people who work hard and make sacrifices that somehow they were lucky that they reap the benefits of their efforts. Ive known people who were very over weight in high school. One kid had the nickname "Panda" because he was just a big fluffy Asian kid. I look at his facebook 4 years later and hes as thin and healthy as an athlete.
You're gonna tell that guy that he was "born lucky"? He was as overweight as any other overweight person Id seen when I first met him. If he was born with anything at all, he was born as a fat guy who later decided to make the effort to become healthy. I applaud his hard work. I despise your rationalization and lack of personal responsibility.
imagine your parents made you smoke at an early age and you became really addicted. you are kinda lucky that it didnt happen, arent you?
ya, blame my lack of personal responsibility, blabla. i blame your rudeness and lack of empathy. cool?
i'm not saying you should learn to deal with how i am. i'm trying to learn to deal with how weird people are acting over this shit.
i really have to understand that everyone's perspectives here are too different and hardly anyone has a tiny bit of empathy. really gotta deal with that. so it makes no sense to keep talking..
bye bye.
ps: i lost and then gained over 60pounds 3 times now. is this because of a lack of personal responsibility? lack of respect for myself? what is the reason for this? ... ah i bet you know the answer, cause you are all so cool and wise in life.
i'm sersiously out, never looking at this again. so dont waste your time answering. bye.
On May 26 2012 06:54 beg wrote: i guess i have to stop posting.
i really have to understand that everyone's perspectives here are too different and hardly anyone has a tiny bit of empathy. really gotta deal with that. so it makes no sense to keep talking..
bye bye.
ps: i lost and then gained over 60pounds 3 times now. is this because of a lack of personal responsibility? lack of respect for myself? what is the reason for this? ... ah i bet you know the answer, cause you are all so cool and wise in life.
i'm sersiously out, never looking at this again. so dont waste your time answering. bye.
Just a honest, no bad intentions question:
Do you have a job or are you doing a sport or anything that takes your time at least 3 hours every day? Because I would really like to know the reason why you have gone so drastically about changing your wait 3 times. We cant all be THAT different can we? I mean, there has to be a reason.
On May 26 2012 06:29 Keitzer wrote:If you can't find the time of the day to work out every once in a while to stay fit, that means you're not dedicated enough to keeping yourself healthy. If YOUR OWN LIFE isn't enough of a reason to get motivated, i DOUBT the job i'm interviewing you for has enough potential.
"In general, for weight loss, exercise is pretty useless," says Eric Ravussin, chair in diabetes and metabolism at Louisiana State University and a prominent exercise researcher. Many recent studies have found that exercise isn't as important in helping people lose weight as you hear so regularly in gym advertisements or on shows like The Biggest Loser — or, for that matter, from magazines like this one.
The basic problem is that while it's true that exercise burns calories and that you must burn calories to lose weight, exercise has another effect: it can stimulate hunger. That causes us to eat more, which in turn can negate the weight-loss benefits we just accrued. Exercise, in other words, isn't necessarily helping us lose weight. It may even be making it harder."
"The Compensation Problem Earlier this year, the peer-reviewed journal PLoS ONE — PLoS is the nonprofit Public Library of Science — published a remarkable study supervised by a colleague of Ravussin's, Dr. Timothy Church, who holds the rather grand title of chair in health wisdom at LSU. Church's team randomly assigned into four groups 464 overweight women who didn't regularly exercise. Women in three of the groups were asked to work out with a personal trainer for 72 min., 136 min., and 194 min. per week, respectively, for six months. Women in the fourth cluster, the control group, were told to maintain their usual physical-activity routines. All the women were asked not to change their dietary habits and to fill out monthly medical-symptom questionnaires.
The findings were surprising. On average, the women in all the groups, even the control group, lost weight, but the women who exercised — sweating it out with a trainer several days a week for six months — did not lose significantly more weight than the control subjects did. (The control-group women may have lost weight because they were filling out those regular health forms, which may have prompted them to consume fewer doughnuts.) Some of the women in each of the four groups actually gained weight, some more than 10 lb. each."
On May 26 2012 06:54 beg wrote: i guess i have to stop posting.
i really have to understand that everyone's perspectives here are too different and hardly anyone has a tiny bit of empathy. really gotta deal with that. so it makes no sense to keep talking..
bye bye.
ps: i lost and then gained over 60pounds 3 times now. is this because of a lack of personal responsibility? lack of respect for myself? what is the reason for this? ... ah i bet you know the answer, cause you are all so cool and wise in life.
i'm sersiously out, never looking at this again. so dont waste your time answering. bye.
Just a honest, no bad intentions question:
Do you have a job or are you doing a sport or anything that takes your time at least 3 hours every day? Because I would really like to know the reason why you have gone so drastically about changing your wait 3 times. We cant all be THAT different can we? I mean, there has to be a reason.
. far from an "invalid claim".
Empyrean May 26 2012 00:07. Posts 16299
