If youre fat and totally fine with how you are, I have absolutely no problem with you. If youre fat and, like that guy "beg" whining a couple pages back, you are dissatisfied with yourself but blame luck and people around you for your situation, then you need to reevaluate yourself. It doesn't matter if you were born a certain way, mommy and daddy were mean to you, blah blah blah. The fact of the matter is, right here right now, YOU are the only person who can change your current situation. Why waste time bitching and moaning? Are people seriously hoping to change everyone else around them instead of themselves? Or are you guys hoping the government will make it against the law to tell fat people that they should lose weight? Come on guys...where's the personal responsibility in all this?
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I say this because I hear people say this all of the time but I haven't heard of any research to back it up. Willpower is an exhaustible resource, even.
Unless you were a Fritzel child, or similar, you can work through it.. Once you lose hope, you have lost the battle. Sorry, but one needs no "research" to know oneself. It's as hard, and as simple as that.
No you cannot, he is correct, willpower is an exhaustible resource.
Are you seriously insisting that free will does not exist? That you can't make choices when things are too hard? If someone put an explosive collar on your neck that killed you if you ate unhealthy food or failed to exercise daily, you'd end up dead instead of lean?
Just because you don't have much willpower doesn't mean other people don't. Unless you're one of a tiny minority of people with genetic conditions, you can easily lose weight if you want to badly enough.
Your logic is similar to a whining criminal's: "She was pretty and dressed provacatively. I didn't have a choice, I had to rape her! Willpower is an exhaustible resource! I haven't heard any research to back up the idea that people can resist!" Bullshit, you always have a choice.
"Are you seriously insisting that free will does not exist?"
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are you seriously not able to read?
unless u get a good nights sleep, eat correctly etc, willpower is drainable and it's not coming back, that goes along with the ability to make descisions.
But once you sleep it comes back? Or do you lose it forever o_o
No you dont lose it forever, but if you arent able to get a good rest and eat properly, (which a LOT of people arent due to stress and horrible life situations) you wont get it back, and this is actually drained from even the tiniest things and makes things we normally dont consider to be an effort at all such as your ability to make everyday descisions e.g: " should I drink milk or juice for breakfast" much harder on you.
And this is actually one of the reasons as to why a lot of people just cant seem to "pull their shit together".
On May 27 2012 10:17 Cutlery wrote: I don't blame myself, I blame my willpower over which I can have no control.
This sums it up. It's complete bullshit that people refuse to take responsibility for themselves and then blame others for discriminating against them for that lazy/fatalistic worldview.
thank you for completely ignoring my post and then using the same bullshit points I've already responded to and denied.
EngrishTeacher China. May 28 2012 22:55. Posts 430
Man what a massive contrast between notions of overweight and obesity since I've arrived in China.
Basically if you have a BMI over 22 then you're fat. Over 26 and you're pretty much obese.
These young female co-workers I work with are around 5'5" or so in height, and most of them are under 100 pounds.
Yet they talk about weight unsatifaction and are on diets almost everyday. The slightly overweight white girl at the office is elephant-class compared to them, and people joke about her weight all the time.
sunprince United States. May 29 2012 07:59. Posts 1979
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: It's bullshit made up by scientists and published in peer reviewed journals and then confirmed by later experiments. Shame.
Except it isn't. I've already debunked the only supposed "scientific evidence" offered in the last few pages. People just latch on to whatever excuses they can find for their own failings, which is why the only "evidence" proposed is uncited, misleading, or flat-out bad science. It's no different from how a majority of overweight people blame their condition on a genetic condition even though those affect only a tiny minority of them.
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: There are things like willpower, where if you try really hard you may make it a day, or two before it runs out and you cave. Deal with it, that's how it works and no amount of wishing and hoping and dreaming is going to give you superhuman willpower. It's the wrong way to go, and telling people they should "man up" is ignorant and bad advice. Trying to push really hard on something as difficult as weight loss is just plain dumb, and sets oneself up for failure and subsequent depression.
Spoken like a person who's never had any willpower whatsoever. Try telling your professors or employers that it's not your fault you didn't complete your work, "it's because you didn't have enough willpower". Or tell a jury that you didn't have enough willpower not to rape your pretty neighbor or rob the bank.
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: Sorry that reality doesn't fit into your nice clean world view where everyone is accountable. Damn fat people, why don't they just decide to not be hungry.
More stupidity. No one's saying you can decide not to be hungry. The point is that you can decide not to eat even if you are hungry. The bullshit you're spouting is a perfect example of finding excuses for a complete lack of self-control. If combat athletes like me can control our diets and eat reasonable portions of healthy food even while getting ridiculously hungry from burning massive amounts of calories, then a sedentary person can easily cut back on junk food.
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: But our environments are rarely subject to change by our whims, while we are not. Thus, the only solution is to focus on adapting ourselves to our environments. If you're going to try to push your way through it, you need to make it easy for yourself. For example, if you want to cut back on soda, then don't buy soda and only drink water at home. If you're out simply get water. The key is that it is easy to replace your water with a soda and doesn't take intense effort. So yeah, enjoy that big mac and fries with a delicious cup of water.
How about don't enjoy that big mac and fries at all? How about you enjoy a vegetable stir-fry with chicken breast, or chicken with whole grain brown rice, or grilled vegetables and sauteed tofu?
To be honest i would 100% "discriminate" against a severely overweight person if i was hiring for a job. While it may not always be the case, being severely overweight says more to me than just their eating habits. It is a comment on their self control, discipline, self respect and laziness.
If something is actively and very seriously damaging your health and livelihood, why continue to facilitate that way of life? I feel the same about smokers but at least that doesn't impact their laziness.
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On May 29 2012 08:09 bkrow wrote: To be honest i would 100% "discriminate" against a severely overweight person if i was hiring for a job. While it may not always be the case, being severely overweight says more to me than just their eating habits. It is a comment on their self control, discipline, self respect and laziness.
If something is actively and very seriously damaging your health and livelihood, why continue to facilitate that way of life? I feel the same about smokers but at least that doesn't impact their laziness.
I think that's a good point. And that's pretty much exactly why you try to appear as professional and proper in an interview as possible.
Your image not only reflects you as a person, but the way you'll eventually carry yourself in the workplace, treat your workload and coworkers (not to mention your boss), and everything else both physically and mentally.
Can you handle the job? Well, can you even handle yourself?
"Those who can, teach. Those who can't, whine about teachers." ~Me
Dekoth United States. May 29 2012 08:37. Posts 489
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: It's bullshit made up by scientists and published in peer reviewed journals and then confirmed by later experiments. Shame.
Except it isn't. I've already debunked the only supposed "scientific evidence" offered in the last few pages. People just latch on to whatever excuses they can find for their own failings, which is why the only "evidence" proposed is uncited, misleading, or flat-out bad science. It's no different from how a majority of overweight people blame their condition on a genetic condition even though those affect only a tiny minority of them.
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: There are things like willpower, where if you try really hard you may make it a day, or two before it runs out and you cave. Deal with it, that's how it works and no amount of wishing and hoping and dreaming is going to give you superhuman willpower. It's the wrong way to go, and telling people they should "man up" is ignorant and bad advice. Trying to push really hard on something as difficult as weight loss is just plain dumb, and sets oneself up for failure and subsequent depression.
Spoken like a person who's never had any willpower whatsoever. Try telling your professors or employers that it's not your fault you didn't complete your work, "it's because you didn't have enough willpower". Or tell a jury that you didn't have enough willpower not to rape your pretty neighbor or rob the bank.
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: Sorry that reality doesn't fit into your nice clean world view where everyone is accountable. Damn fat people, why don't they just decide to not be hungry.
More stupidity. No one's saying you can decide not to be hungry. The point is that you can decide not to eat even if you are hungry. The bullshit you're spouting is a perfect example of finding excuses for a complete lack of self-control. If combat athletes like me can control our diets and eat reasonable portions of healthy food even while getting ridiculously hungry from burning massive amounts of calories, then a sedentary person can easily cut back on junk food.
On May 27 2012 13:20 Sacrieur wrote: But our environments are rarely subject to change by our whims, while we are not. Thus, the only solution is to focus on adapting ourselves to our environments. If you're going to try to push your way through it, you need to make it easy for yourself. For example, if you want to cut back on soda, then don't buy soda and only drink water at home. If you're out simply get water. The key is that it is easy to replace your water with a soda and doesn't take intense effort. So yeah, enjoy that big mac and fries with a delicious cup of water.
How about don't enjoy that big mac and fries at all? How about you enjoy a vegetable stir-fry with chicken breast, or chicken with whole grain brown rice, or grilled vegetables and sauteed tofu?
Shh, don't throw logic at them, you might make them realize they are just lying to themselves and making excuses.
On May 29 2012 08:09 bkrow wrote: To be honest i would 100% "discriminate" against a severely overweight person if i was hiring for a job. While it may not always be the case, being severely overweight says more to me than just their eating habits. It is a comment on their self control, discipline, self respect and laziness.
If something is actively and very seriously damaging your health and livelihood, why continue to facilitate that way of life? I feel the same about smokers but at least that doesn't impact their laziness.
I think that's a good point. And that's pretty much exactly why you try to appear as professional and proper in an interview as possible.
Your image not only reflects you as a person, but the way you'll eventually carry yourself in the workplace, treat your workload and coworkers (not to mention your boss), and everything else both physically and mentally.
Can you handle the job? Well, can you even handle yourself?
As I said earlier, I have been in a hiring position and yes I will flatly admit to discriminating against a obese candidate for those exact reasons. If you don't respect yourself enough to at least take decent care of yourself, I don't believe you respect my job enough to not half ass it.
As much as I hate smokers, I gotta admit most of them are seriously motivated. Have you ever observed the lengths a really addicted smoker will go to get their fix? I have watched them stand in weather I wouldn't for that. It is always a riot to see the really dedicated ones standing out behind the building in 40 degree weather while it is raining.
DarkPlasmaBall United States. May 29 2012 08:45. Posts 19998
On May 29 2012 08:09 bkrow wrote: To be honest i would 100% "discriminate" against a severely overweight person if i was hiring for a job. While it may not always be the case, being severely overweight says more to me than just their eating habits. It is a comment on their self control, discipline, self respect and laziness.
If something is actively and very seriously damaging your health and livelihood, why continue to facilitate that way of life? I feel the same about smokers but at least that doesn't impact their laziness.
I think that's a good point. And that's pretty much exactly why you try to appear as professional and proper in an interview as possible.
Your image not only reflects you as a person, but the way you'll eventually carry yourself in the workplace, treat your workload and coworkers (not to mention your boss), and everything else both physically and mentally.
Can you handle the job? Well, can you even handle yourself?
As I said earlier, I have been in a hiring position and yes I will flatly admit to discriminating against a obese candidate for those exact reasons. If you don't respect yourself enough to at least take decent care of yourself, I don't believe you respect my job enough to not half ass it.
As much as I hate smokers, I gotta admit most of them are seriously motivated. Have you ever observed the lengths a really addicted smoker will go to get their fix? I have watched them stand in weather I wouldn't for that. It is always a riot to see the really dedicated ones standing out behind the building in 40 degree weather while it is raining.
I've seen that too, although to be fair, I've seen the opposite as well... drug addicts (be it from cigarettes, alcohol, or harder drugs) that are clearly the opposite of motivated, because they want to stop but they can't. Or any type of addict, really. And that's kind of where the obesity comes in... being addicted to unhealthy foods (poor eating habits) + laziness. Assuming they want to be helped but are too lazy to get the help they need.
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"Those who can, teach. Those who can't, whine about teachers." ~Me
On May 29 2012 08:09 bkrow wrote: To be honest i would 100% "discriminate" against a severely overweight person if i was hiring for a job. While it may not always be the case, being severely overweight says more to me than just their eating habits. It is a comment on their self control, discipline, self respect and laziness.
If something is actively and very seriously damaging your health and livelihood, why continue to facilitate that way of life? I feel the same about smokers but at least that doesn't impact their laziness.
I totally agree with this.
Would you discriminate against somebody who smelled really bad for a call-center job where the employees' smell does not matter for their job performance? Most definitely. How about their dress, hair style, etc for the same position? Most definitely.
These things do not directly relate to their job performance, but when you only have a few things to really go with, you are looking for any hint of this person's personality and drive. It's like a GPA - doesn't say much for most things but it does show effort and drive for long stretches of time - which is what employers want. If somebody cannot take a similar drive for something that is probably very important to them (self image, health, attractiveness in dating market, etc) then there is every reason to see it as a negative against somebody in the work place.
For those with chronic conditions that make the weight no fault of their own: it sucks. But it's reality and the sooner you recognize that it matters the better you'll be able to handle it because you know it is indeed an obstacle that exists for you to overcome. We gotta just play the cards we're dealt.
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Or do you lose it forever o_o
bkrow Australia. May 29 2012 08:09. Posts 8386
