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| Darksoldierr Hungary. May 03 2012 06:15. Posts 1896 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 05:46 11cc wrote:
Blizzard doesn't love eSports. They only love the money.
They still have some loyal fans, but loyalty should go both ways. That's why I'm not one of them anymore.
Are you stupid? How do you expect them to make games if they dont have income. Will you send them 10$ or maybe 15$ if you feel so?Last edit: 2012-05-03 06:15:42 |
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| ninjan Sweden. May 03 2012 06:16. Posts 46 | Profile # |
It's so sad, that every single time Blizzard tries to do something for the community, the same bullshit comes around. "Oh, blizzard did x? WELL THEY JUST WANT ALL THE MONIES! They hate esports and gamers, and all their players, we dont even have lan!". People cry and bitch and moan about Blizzard not being as involved in esports as Riot etc, and when they do get involved, people cry and bitch and moan about not getting exactly everything they want this exact moment.
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| Plansix United States. May 03 2012 06:17. Posts 5382 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 06:09 Rokoz wrote:
I'm glad I can agree with so many players in this thread.
The fact that Blizzard creates game that is fabulous, but to play it they somehow want to make sure that to get in contact with the rest of the community will be very hard, even close to impossible task. I don't see myself dedicating much longer in Starcraft II unless Blizzard sees that we want custom games (Please let me know if you have found any worth joining into), clans, replay sharing.
In general all we want is to have ways to discuss and share stuff; replays, strategies, tournaments etc. IN GAME, not in forums, but actually in Battle.net.
Battle.net is the issue here, if Blizzard wants to show they love eSports they better do something about Battle.net.
Well battle.net is designed to allow people communicate across games. I can chat with friends in WoW from SC2. I think Blizzard designed the system based on a model that was more like Xbox Live, allowing players to interact between games. It followed the model of most online systems today, which the most commonly requested features are to AVOID the rest of the internet. I don't think they could have known that people wanted a chat system from the late 90s to be brought back. |
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| SupLilSon Malaysia. May 03 2012 06:19. Posts 3171 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 06:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:53 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:40 Big J wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:34 Salv wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:12 Big J wrote:Blizzard bashing is so chic these days  Just makes me hope that those hardworking, enthusiastic guys don't read too much in the forums, or they might really stop caring for a community that just brainlessly hates anything they do. How stupid are those discussions? They give us more esports and all people here can do is jealously bash on the companies success. Go and play crappy "half year production" games of unsuccessful firms, if you can't put up with blizzard trying to stay successful and trying to preserve the luxury of their high quality "when it's done" - philosophy.
The game lacks features that their games from 1998 had - that's not good. Battle.net 2.0 is woefully inferior to classic battle.net.
So the game lacking features that older games had, makes blizzard opening a new section for esports a bad thing? I don't see the connection for those, sry. You are free to open a thread to discuss such things like inferior Bnet2, but what does this have to do with this topic. Sry, but people here really just use any comment about blizzard as trigger for bashing, instead of staying on the topic. It's simply stupid.
The topic is Blizzard claiming, "We love E-Sports". The majority of us are responding with, "No you don't." on top of providing clear examples of Blizzard's actions consistently working directly AGAINST "E-Sports. The fact of the matter is, Blizzard has absolutely no competition in the RTS market. The reason all these MOBA games are receiving so much support from their developers is because they have to in order to remain relevant. Anyone who is a true Blizzard fan should be disgusted with the direction the company has taken in recent years.
Your talking about league of legends right? The game that did not have a spectator feature or replays for years, even though the community asked for it from day one? The game that charges you to play new champions or forces you to grind for hours to earn them?(BTW - I like LOL a lot and think Riot is great, but no replays even when it was requested in beta) The grass is always greener.
Whether or not Riot is listening to every single demand from their community is irrelevant. You'd have to be insane to argue that Blizzard has been supportive of the competitive scene in the slightest.
I'm actually surprised professional players haven't been more outspoken about the lack of LAN. Blizzard's refusal to implement LAN is a prime example of their true stance on E-Sports. They don't care if tournaments and player experiences are ruined as long as the cash flow doesn't dwindle. If Blizzard gave 2 shits about E-Sports LAN would have been implemented long ago.
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| Darksoldierr Hungary. May 03 2012 06:21. Posts 1896 | Profile # |
| They will probably wait till hots or the last one with lan, so people actually buying their game, not just torrenting it down |
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| nucLeaRTV Romania. May 03 2012 06:26. Posts 710 | Profile # |
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| 1Eris1 United States. May 03 2012 06:27. Posts 5797 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 06:12 oxxo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:46 11cc wrote:
Blizzard doesn't love eSports. They only love the money.
They still have some loyal fans, but loyalty should go both ways. That's why I'm not one of them anymore.
Of course Blizzard loves money. EVERY COMPANY LOVES MONEY. I'll never understand why people think companies should or do feel otherwise. Besides, esports = money. Dunno why some people think they're mutually exclusive.
As someone who is going to be going into business related studies next year, I completely understand why they want to make a profit and I do not hold that against them.
What I do hold against them is that they deny that it is their reasoning, or claim that is actually something else going on here, when there really is not. The evidence is so apparent, and it just keeps coming. |
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| SupLilSon Malaysia. May 03 2012 06:27. Posts 3171 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 06:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:09 Rokoz wrote:
I'm glad I can agree with so many players in this thread.
The fact that Blizzard creates game that is fabulous, but to play it they somehow want to make sure that to get in contact with the rest of the community will be very hard, even close to impossible task. I don't see myself dedicating much longer in Starcraft II unless Blizzard sees that we want custom games (Please let me know if you have found any worth joining into), clans, replay sharing.
In general all we want is to have ways to discuss and share stuff; replays, strategies, tournaments etc. IN GAME, not in forums, but actually in Battle.net.
Battle.net is the issue here, if Blizzard wants to show they love eSports they better do something about Battle.net.
Well battle.net is designed to allow people communicate across games. I can chat with friends in WoW from SC2. I think Blizzard designed the system based on a model that was more like Xbox Live, allowing players to interact between games. It followed the model of most online systems today, which the most commonly requested features are to AVOID the rest of the internet. I don't think they could have known that people wanted a chat system from the late 90s to be brought back.
Maybe they couldn't have known? A company produces products for consumers to buy. Generally, companies do extensive research and find out what their consumers want. I don't recall anyone complaining about old Bnet, so why would they change it? Anyways, all of this is besides the point. The community has voiced it's opinion loud and clear and Blizzard continues to play deaf. Any lack of improvement is solely Blizzard's fault.
Also, I don't think I've ever come into a situation where being able to see/talk to friends on WoW,etc. was helpful. I want chat features to be able to communicate with others playing SC2. If I wanted to talk to my friends playing WoW, I'd message them through another medium, like a cell phone?Last edit: 2012-05-03 06:30:35 |
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| Lumi United States. May 03 2012 06:30. Posts 1025 | Profile # |
| Not trying to be a Debby Downer here but this is really a very minor gesture which is not even new to them. |
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| maybenexttime Poland. May 03 2012 06:30. Posts 3083 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 06:15 Darksoldierr wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:46 11cc wrote:
Blizzard doesn't love eSports. They only love the money.
They still have some loyal fans, but loyalty should go both ways. That's why I'm not one of them anymore.
Are you stupid? How do you expect them to make games if they dont have income. Will you send them 10$ or maybe 15$ if you feel so?
Are you stupid or misinterpreting what people are saying here on purpose? |
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| 11cc Finland. May 03 2012 06:30. Posts 321 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 06:15 Darksoldierr wrote:
Are you stupid? How do you expect them to make games if they dont have income. Will you send them 10$ or maybe 15$ if you feel so?
On May 03 2012 06:12 oxxo wrote:
Of course Blizzard loves money. EVERY COMPANY LOVES MONEY. I'll never understand why people think companies should or do feel otherwise.
Besides, esports = money. Dunno why some people think they're mutually exclusive.
I'm not saying or expecting them not to love the money. I'm just saying that they don't love eSports. And that they don't deserve loyal fans if they keep fucking up. |
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| Plansix United States. May 03 2012 06:33. Posts 5382 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 06:19 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:08 Plansix wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:53 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:40 Big J wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:34 Salv wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:12 Big J wrote:Blizzard bashing is so chic these days Just makes me hope that those hardworking, enthusiastic guys don't read too much in the forums, or they might really stop caring for a community that just brainlessly hates anything they do. How stupid are those discussions? They give us more esports and all people here can do is jealously bash on the companies success. Go and play crappy "half year production" games of unsuccessful firms, if you can't put up with blizzard trying to stay successful and trying to preserve the luxury of their high quality "when it's done" - philosophy.
The game lacks features that their games from 1998 had - that's not good. Battle.net 2.0 is woefully inferior to classic battle.net.
So the game lacking features that older games had, makes blizzard opening a new section for esports a bad thing? I don't see the connection for those, sry. You are free to open a thread to discuss such things like inferior Bnet2, but what does this have to do with this topic. Sry, but people here really just use any comment about blizzard as trigger for bashing, instead of staying on the topic. It's simply stupid.
The topic is Blizzard claiming, "We love E-Sports". The majority of us are responding with, "No you don't." on top of providing clear examples of Blizzard's actions consistently working directly AGAINST "E-Sports. The fact of the matter is, Blizzard has absolutely no competition in the RTS market. The reason all these MOBA games are receiving so much support from their developers is because they have to in order to remain relevant. Anyone who is a true Blizzard fan should be disgusted with the direction the company has taken in recent years.
Your talking about league of legends right? The game that did not have a spectator feature or replays for years, even though the community asked for it from day one? The game that charges you to play new champions or forces you to grind for hours to earn them?(BTW - I like LOL a lot and think Riot is great, but no replays even when it was requested in beta) The grass is always greener.
Whether or not Riot is listening to every single demand from their community is irrelevant. You'd have to be insane to argue that Blizzard has been supportive of the competitive scene in the slightest. I'm actually surprised professional players haven't been more outspoken about the lack of LAN. Blizzard's refusal to implement LAN is a prime example of their true stance on E-Sports. They don't care if tournaments and player experiences are ruined as long as the cash flow doesn't dwindle. If Blizzard gave 2 shits about E-Sports LAN would have been implemented long ago.
The LAN issue and disconnects during events are a problem. I know Blizzard wants to make a system that allows thems them to support major tournaments and provide a local Bnet connection. However, the news reports that Diablo 3 will be release without PvP, I think it is safe to assume Blizzard under a lot of pressure to get that game out the door by Activision. That game also runs on Bnet and they are likely all hands on deck to make sure they are ready for launch. I am sure it will come in to focus more once HotS is the next big release.
We are never going to pure LAN, anyways, because activision will never let them release a multi million dollar game into the the wild. Most online games make you connect to their systems at this point, so it is not like Blizzard is the only one doing this. |
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| Djzapz Canada. May 03 2012 06:37. Posts 5704 | Profile Blog # |
"We <3 e-sports"
And then they impose a "tax" on tournaments.
They don't love e-sports. They say they do because it's good PR and people gobble that up. |
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| elmizzt United States. May 03 2012 06:39. Posts 3206 | Profile # |
| Pretty funny how everyone blasts blizz as money-hungry. Cause there's sooooo much money in ESPORTS lol Last edit: 2012-05-03 06:39:48 |
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| SupLilSon Malaysia. May 03 2012 06:39. Posts 3171 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 06:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:19 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 03 2012 06:08 Plansix wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:53 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:40 Big J wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:34 Salv wrote:
On May 03 2012 05:12 Big J wrote:Blizzard bashing is so chic these days Just makes me hope that those hardworking, enthusiastic guys don't read too much in the forums, or they might really stop caring for a community that just brainlessly hates anything they do. How stupid are those discussions? They give us more esports and all people here can do is jealously bash on the companies success. Go and play crappy "half year production" games of unsuccessful firms, if you can't put up with blizzard trying to stay successful and trying to preserve the luxury of their high quality "when it's done" - philosophy.
The game lacks features that their games from 1998 had - that's not good. Battle.net 2.0 is woefully inferior to classic battle.net.
So the game lacking features that older games had, makes blizzard opening a new section for esports a bad thing? I don't see the connection for those, sry. You are free to open a thread to discuss such things like inferior Bnet2, but what does this have to do with this topic. Sry, but people here really just use any comment about blizzard as trigger for bashing, instead of staying on the topic. It's simply stupid.
The topic is Blizzard claiming, "We love E-Sports". The majority of us are responding with, "No you don't." on top of providing clear examples of Blizzard's actions consistently working directly AGAINST "E-Sports. The fact of the matter is, Blizzard has absolutely no competition in the RTS market. The reason all these MOBA games are receiving so much support from their developers is because they have to in order to remain relevant. Anyone who is a true Blizzard fan should be disgusted with the direction the company has taken in recent years.
Your talking about league of legends right? The game that did not have a spectator feature or replays for years, even though the community asked for it from day one? The game that charges you to play new champions or forces you to grind for hours to earn them?(BTW - I like LOL a lot and think Riot is great, but no replays even when it was requested in beta) The grass is always greener.
Whether or not Riot is listening to every single demand from their community is irrelevant. You'd have to be insane to argue that Blizzard has been supportive of the competitive scene in the slightest. I'm actually surprised professional players haven't been more outspoken about the lack of LAN. Blizzard's refusal to implement LAN is a prime example of their true stance on E-Sports. They don't care if tournaments and player experiences are ruined as long as the cash flow doesn't dwindle. If Blizzard gave 2 shits about E-Sports LAN would have been implemented long ago.
The LAN issue and disconnects during events are a problem. I know Blizzard wants to make a system that allows thems them to support major tournaments and provide a local Bnet connection. However, the news reports that Diablo 3 will be release without PvP, I think it is safe to assume Blizzard under a lot of pressure to get that game out the door by Activision. That game also runs on Bnet and they are likely all hands on deck to make sure they are ready for launch. I am sure it will come in to focus more once HotS is the next big release. We are never going to pure LAN, anyways, because activision will never let them release a multi million dollar game into the the wild. Most online games make you connect to their systems at this point, so it is not like Blizzard is the only one doing this.
Yea, but most other games have a reconnect feature or some way to salvage a disconnected game ;\
It's been 2 years, how many major tournaments have been plagued by disconnects? It's hard to view SC2 as a legitimate competitive sport when the results of tournaments have been altered directly because of these disconnects. A random fan came up with a quick and easy solution before Blizzard did. To me that indicates either major incompetency or laziness/doesn't actually care. I'll give Blizzard the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren't just incompetent. |
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| SarcasmMonster May 03 2012 06:40. Posts 2897 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 06:37 Djzapz wrote:
"We <3 e-sports"
And then they impose a "tax" on tournaments.
They don't love e-sports. They say they do because it's good PR and people gobble that up.
Didn't Rob Simpson dispute that? I can't remember the source, anyone remember? |
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| dUTtrOACh Canada. May 03 2012 06:57. Posts 1639 | Profile # |
| Considering Blizzard gets most of their customer feedback from their own forum, it's not a surprise that they're completely oblivious to the wants and needs of the SC2 community. The battlenet forums are just... another dimension. |
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| KristofferAG Norway. May 03 2012 07:00. Posts 9826 | Profile Blog # |
| Babysteps, I guess. Hopefully they'll be working more on this, making tournaments a part of the game. Though that would make sites like playhem and z33k a bit less usefull. |
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| IPA United States. May 03 2012 07:02. Posts 2775 | Profile # |
To those upset at Blizzard for creating BattleNet 2.0 without a full set of features: I feel your pain.
To those upset at Blizzard for making lots and lots of money: lol. They are a corporation. They make games that many of you (myself included) have played for almost twenty years. They are not a philanthropy and they don't owe you anything -- they certainly don't owe a response to the pseudo-socialist, vaguely anti-corporate absurdist rambling found in this thread.
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| Sikly United States. May 03 2012 07:06. Posts 408 | Profile # |
Wow. I honestly can't believe the hate for blizzard that is being shown in this thread. For the past fucking year and a half everyone's been bitching at Blizzard to start supporting Tournies. In the past few months they have made massive progress for promoting and making SC2 a better esport. Seriously people, bitching all the time makes you look like selfish greedy children.
Blizzard is a company. They make money. They also probably love esports. Does loving esports stop something from being a company? Does being a company stop something from loving esports? Blizzard has to answer to their share holders first. The last few years the entire world has been in a downturn, Blizzard has to make money first and before they can invest in something like esports. Too often people assume they deserve things for free for no reason other than they that is how it should be in their views.
I'm very happy that blizzard is making steps forward, and hope that they continue to move towards a better future.Last edit: 2012-05-03 07:07:04 |
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