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| CeriseCherries United States. May 03 2012 07:07. Posts 4704 | Profile Blog # |
| OMG BLIZZARD YAY YOU LOVE ESPORTS NOW. now can we get LAN? |
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| maybenexttime Poland. May 03 2012 07:11. Posts 3082 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 06:39 elmizzt wrote:
Pretty funny how everyone blasts blizz as money-hungry. Cause there's sooooo much money in ESPORTS lol
Pretty funny how you're not reading any of the replies yet comment on them. It's not as much about milking esport, as it is about doing all sorts of things that are directly against esports in order to make more money (shitty bnet 2, killing BW, etc.), while claiming they love esports.
On May 03 2012 07:06 draumr wrote:
Wow. I honestly can't believe the hate for blizzard that is being shown in this thread. For the past fucking year and a half everyone's been bitching at Blizzard to start supporting Tournies. In the past few months they have made massive progress for promoting and making SC2 a better esport. Seriously people, bitching all the time makes you look like selfish greedy children.
Blizzard is a company. They make money. They also probably love esports. Does loving esports stop something from being a company? Does being a company stop something from loving esports? Blizzard has to answer to their share holders first. The last few years the entire world has been in a downturn, Blizzard has to make money first and before they can invest in something like esports. Too often people assume they deserve things for free for no reason other than they that is how it should be in their views.
I'm very happy that blizzard is making steps forward, and hope that they continue to move towards a better future.
Loving your wife doesn't stop you from beating the shit out of her, is that what you're trying to say?Last edit: 2012-05-03 07:15:31 |
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| Spawkuring United States. May 03 2012 07:21. Posts 710 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 07:06 draumr wrote:
Wow. I honestly can't believe the hate for blizzard that is being shown in this thread. For the past fucking year and a half everyone's been bitching at Blizzard to start supporting Tournies. In the past few months they have made massive progress for promoting and making SC2 a better esport. Seriously people, bitching all the time makes you look like selfish greedy children.
Blizzard is a company. They make money. They also probably love esports. Does loving esports stop something from being a company? Does being a company stop something from loving esports? Blizzard has to answer to their share holders first. The last few years the entire world has been in a downturn, Blizzard has to make money first and before they can invest in something like esports. Too often people assume they deserve things for free for no reason other than they that is how it should be in their views.
I'm very happy that blizzard is making steps forward, and hope that they continue to move towards a better future.
Nobody has a problem with corporations making money. We have a problem with Blizzard constantly making actions that directly harm eSports while claiming they "love" it.
- Removing LAN
- Region lock
- Trying to take complete dominance over SC/SC2 broadcasting rights for over a year before finally giving in
- Trying to, and eventually succeeding, in getting rid of BW despite numerous statements that they had no intention of doing so
I have no problem giving Valve my money for instance because Valve has actually done a lot to show their support of eSports. Even in beta, DotA2 has LAN, region changing, tournament support, live game spectating, and a free-2-play model that ensures maximum coverage. I honestly believe it's gonna take Blizzard 3-5 years to implement the features that DotA2 has TODAY. And Blizzard still doesn't even want to put LAN in.
I'll happily support the company that moves eSports forward, but Blizzard is not that company. SC2 is already being rapidly overshadowed by DotA2 and LoL, and there are no signs of it stopping. |
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 pallad Poland. May 03 2012 07:24. Posts 1713 | Profile # |
Maby because Sc2 is a RTS game... and Dota 2 and LOL are moba ?. Moba games are now very popular , you cant compere that.. try to think.
Moba games are very easy at casual level , when people play sc2 casual they get angry when they get raped at ladder and stop play.
Moba games are just for EVERYONE , girl , kids etc.. Sc 2 is not.Last edit: 2012-05-03 07:30:01 |
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| maybenexttime Poland. May 03 2012 07:29. Posts 3082 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 07:24 pallad wrote:
Maby because Sc2 is a RTS game... and Dota 2 and LOL are moba ?. Moba games are now very popular , you cant compere that.. try to think.
MOBA games are popular -> blizzard can't implement features their previous games had even though it'd take them roughly two weeks to do so, makes sense. |
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| PassiveAce United States. May 03 2012 07:33. Posts 4327 | Profile Blog # |
Dota/dotalikes are blizz's "e-sports" competition, so if they want to compete they should step up to the damn plate and start implementing the features that make it 10x easier to host tournaments/live events.
It seems like blizzard is over 10 years late to the esports party, and im not convinced they have much positive to contribute.Last edit: 2012-05-03 07:36:05 |
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| SupLilSon Malaysia. May 03 2012 07:34. Posts 3164 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 07:06 draumr wrote:
Wow. I honestly can't believe the hate for blizzard that is being shown in this thread. For the past fucking year and a half everyone's been bitching at Blizzard to start supporting Tournies. In the past few months they have made massive progress for promoting and making SC2 a better esport. Seriously people, bitching all the time makes you look like selfish greedy children.
Blizzard is a company. They make money. They also probably love esports. Does loving esports stop something from being a company? Does being a company stop something from loving esports? Blizzard has to answer to their share holders first. The last few years the entire world has been in a downturn, Blizzard has to make money first and before they can invest in something like esports. Too often people assume they deserve things for free for no reason other than they that is how it should be in their views.
I'm very happy that blizzard is making steps forward, and hope that they continue to move towards a better future.
I honestly can't believe how many people come in here and don't even read any of the thread. No one is asking for free crap. All we're asking is for Blizzard to actually take tangible steps towards advancing E-Sports and acknowledging player feedback. So far Blizzard has done zilch to help competitive SC2, if anything they have hurt it. You're sorely mistaken if you think people are just going to forget the past 2 years of negligence just because Blizz said, "WE <3 ESPORTS LUL." If anyone feels entitled to free stuff, it's Blizzard. Ultimately, Blizzard is NOTHING without the fans and community. Yet they feel content to ignore the people who ultimately determine the success of their products while shaking them down for every penny. Blizzard is damn lucky that they used to be a reputable company and their reputation still holds up to some degree.
Furthermore, it's disappointing how many people here believe that Blizzard is actually conducting good business, because they think profit margin is the only figure companies need to care about. There are many companies and businesses that take cuts to their profit margin in order to produce a superior product and/or meet the demands of their consumers. Blizzard has clearly been moving farther away from this and closer to the Comcast/McDonalds business model of providing the shittiest product possible for the highest return. Relying on their monopoly in the RTS genre to keep SC2 going without actually having to support it much. |
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| pallad Poland. May 03 2012 07:37. Posts 1713 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 07:29 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:24 pallad wrote:
Maby because Sc2 is a RTS game... and Dota 2 and LOL are moba ?. Moba games are now very popular , you cant compere that.. try to think.
MOBA games are popular -> blizzard can't implement features their previous games had even though it'd take them roughly two weeks to do so, makes sense.
You think MOBA games are so popular now because companies support it? , or because we have now other times " times of moba"
First of all , IM almost 100% sure if blizzard make Sc2 free game ( just go to web site and DL it , then play ) number of players playing sc2 will go up by 20% maby even 30%.
Like 70% or even more sc2 active players come from other rts games , LoL players come from where ? Dota ? Hon ? i dont belive that , because Hon and dota are way better then LOL , they start playing LOL , because its FREE game and easy to play , simple as that. |
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| HaRuHi May 03 2012 07:40. Posts 454 | Profile Blog # |
OMG BLIZZARD YAY YOU LOVE ESPORTS NOW. now can we get LAN?
Hey, they love Esports, but they love money even more, so forget lan : / |
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 NoGasfOu United States. May 03 2012 07:40. Posts 986 | Profile # |
| "We love esports, and we love money, too." |
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| jumbotroN Peru. May 03 2012 07:44. Posts 208 | Profile # |
| We love eSports, thats why we are making what we can to stop KeSPA and OGN from keep supporting Broodwar. |
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| pallad Poland. May 03 2012 07:47. Posts 1713 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 07:44 jumbotroN wrote:
We love eSports, thats why we are making what we can to stop KeSPA and OGN from keep supporting Broodwar.
Another one.. you think why Kespa and OGN are switching to Sc 2 ? Because blizzard say so? , no they wanna money from it |
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| zomgE May 03 2012 07:48. Posts 466 | Profile # |
| fucking disgusting "i hate blizzard" bandwagon. |
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| Demizzle Australia. May 03 2012 07:48. Posts 370 | Profile # |
Soooo they love esports yet they won't acknowledge real problems with SC2 or even attempt to fix them?
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| maybenexttime Poland. May 03 2012 07:50. Posts 3082 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 07:47 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:44 jumbotroN wrote:
We love eSports, thats why we are making what we can to stop KeSPA and OGN from keep supporting Broodwar.
Another one.. you think why Kespa and OGN are switching to Sc 2 ? Because blizzard say so? , no they wanna money from it
lawsuit, read about it... |
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| jumbotroN Peru. May 03 2012 07:52. Posts 208 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 07:47 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:44 jumbotroN wrote:
We love eSports, thats why we are making what we can to stop KeSPA and OGN from keep supporting Broodwar.
Another one.. you think why Kespa and OGN are switching to Sc 2 ? Because blizzard say so? , no they wanna money from it
I agree 100% with you, OGN and KeSPA want money too, thats why OGN supports LoL, lmao. But the fact that Blizzard NEEDS them to stop the BW support to make SC2 big in Korea is just funny and greedy as hell, they killed WC3 to make SC2 popular and now they killed Broodwar to make the BW pros switch.
I agree with the people asking for LAN support, I don't want to see a Flash vs JD final being delayed because of networking issues.Last edit: 2012-05-03 07:54:06 |
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| Young Terran United Kingdom. May 03 2012 07:53. Posts 260 | Profile # |
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| SupLilSon Malaysia. May 03 2012 07:58. Posts 3164 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 07:37 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:29 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:24 pallad wrote:
Maby because Sc2 is a RTS game... and Dota 2 and LOL are moba ?. Moba games are now very popular , you cant compere that.. try to think.
MOBA games are popular -> blizzard can't implement features their previous games had even though it'd take them roughly two weeks to do so, makes sense.
You think MOBA games are so popular now because companies support it? , or because we have now other times " times of moba" First of all , IM almost 100% sure if blizzard make Sc2 free game ( just go to web site and DL it , then play ) number of players playing sc2 will go up by 20% maby even 30%. Like 70% or even more sc2 active players come from other rts games , LoL players come from where ? Dota ? Hon ? i dont belive that , because Hon and dota are way better then LOL , they start playing LOL , because its FREE game and easy to play , simple as that.
I know a lot of people who willingly play LoL over DOTA2 and HON. The game has it's appeal outside of being free. From what I've heard, Riot actually considers community opinions on the state of the game. It's not surprising that the small company who actively tries to improve the enjoyment from their game is seeing large growth in their player base, while the big company who actively tries to improve their profit margin is seeing a decline in player activity. |
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| Rannasha Netherlands. May 03 2012 07:58. Posts 2261 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 07:21 Spawkuring wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:06 draumr wrote:
Wow. I honestly can't believe the hate for blizzard that is being shown in this thread. For the past fucking year and a half everyone's been bitching at Blizzard to start supporting Tournies. In the past few months they have made massive progress for promoting and making SC2 a better esport. Seriously people, bitching all the time makes you look like selfish greedy children.
Blizzard is a company. They make money. They also probably love esports. Does loving esports stop something from being a company? Does being a company stop something from loving esports? Blizzard has to answer to their share holders first. The last few years the entire world has been in a downturn, Blizzard has to make money first and before they can invest in something like esports. Too often people assume they deserve things for free for no reason other than they that is how it should be in their views.
I'm very happy that blizzard is making steps forward, and hope that they continue to move towards a better future.
Nobody has a problem with corporations making money. We have a problem with Blizzard constantly making actions that directly harm eSports while claiming they "love" it. - Removing LAN - Region lock - Trying to take complete dominance over SC/SC2 broadcasting rights for over a year before finally giving in - Trying to, and eventually succeeding, in getting rid of BW despite numerous statements that they had no intention of doing so I have no problem giving Valve my money for instance because Valve has actually done a lot to show their support of eSports. Even in beta, DotA2 has LAN, region changing, tournament support, live game spectating, and a free-2-play model that ensures maximum coverage. I honestly believe it's gonna take Blizzard 3-5 years to implement the features that DotA2 has TODAY. And Blizzard still doesn't even want to put LAN in. I'll happily support the company that moves eSports forward, but Blizzard is not that company. SC2 is already being rapidly overshadowed by DotA2 and LoL, and there are no signs of it stopping.
It's not going to take Blizzard 3-5 years to get the features that DotA2 has today. They'll be able to get them out pretty fast if they want to. The main question is: Why would they want to? Currently SC2 has no competition when it comes to RTS games. Additionally, while LoL and DotA2 may compete in the general eSports scene, they're still different genres and more importantly, LoL and DotA2 eSports so far has been funded primarily by the producer as a means to promote the game. The SC2 eSports business model is the exact opposite: Blizzard requires you to get a license to run a tournament above a certain prize pool and they may even require you to sign off part of your advertisement revenues. In addition, LoL and SC2 don't seem to compete for viewers that much. I can't recall ever seeing someone post "I'll skip this SC2 tournament and will go watch LoL instead."
So despite the popularity of LoL (and DotA2), the SC2 eSports scene is active and growing. So there's really no urgent need for Blizzard to step it up. And when all is said and done, they're still a for-profit company. Why make investments now when it won't net you any benefits? If they added something like LAN or shared-replay-watching tomorrow, they won't see the effect in number of boxes sold. So why not wait for the best possible opportunity to introduce features like this. The moment when you want to sell a lot of stuff. The launch of an expansion. I fully expect HotS to contain some of the most wanted UI upgrades that people have been asking for.
Blizzard isn't blind or stupid. I bet they're very well aware of what the community wants. But with the lack of competition in the RTS and eSports markets, they have no need to rush it out. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. Until LoL and/or DotA2 pick up as a *self-sustaining* eSport or until they start to siphon viewers from SC2, I don't expect to see much more in terms of improvements before the expansion comes. |
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| eviltomahawk United States. May 03 2012 08:03. Posts 8879 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 07:50 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:47 pallad wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:44 jumbotroN wrote:
We love eSports, thats why we are making what we can to stop KeSPA and OGN from keep supporting Broodwar.
Another one.. you think why Kespa and OGN are switching to Sc 2 ? Because blizzard say so? , no they wanna money from it
lawsuit, read about it...
I actually think that if Blizzard's plan for the lawsuit was to directly kill off BW, then that failed. It does seem that Blizzard/GOM conceded some of their terms after backing off from their lawsuit, which may be why KeSPA/OGN/MBCGame ended up accepting those broadcasting rights contracts afterwards.
However, the lawsuit did kill of BW indirectly by scaring away sponsors, which coupled with the match-fixing scandal has forced a starving KeSPA to make a gamble with SC2 instead of slowly dying off in BW with OGN having so much difficulty finding sponsors for its leagues. It's probably not what Blizzard wanted since most of those sponsors might not even sponsor SC2 after all that drama. |
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