| CuteZergling May 05 2012 04:52. Posts 596 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
I agree! And barracks should be 25 minerals. Nexus should be free. |
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| Serinox Germany. May 05 2012 04:52. Posts 3196 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
I don't even....what??? |
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| Grend May 05 2012 05:01. Posts 1537 | Profile Blog # |
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up 
Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes 
Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. HahahahaLast edit: 2012-05-05 05:03:40 |
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| a176 Canada. May 05 2012 05:04. Posts 5383 | Profile Blog # |
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| Bibbit Canada. May 05 2012 05:04. Posts 4499 | Profile Blog # |
On May 05 2012 05:01 Grend wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. Hahahaha
Idk if this is what you were getting at but they made larva from cancelled eggs a thing for like a day in the beta. Early pools were obviously completely imbalanced so we just had to hide from the ladder until they fixed it. Luckily it was pretty quick :D |
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| Grend May 05 2012 05:07. Posts 1537 | Profile Blog # |
On May 05 2012 05:04 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:01 Grend wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. Hahahaha
Idk if this is what you were getting at but they made larva from cancelled eggs a thing for like a day in the beta. Early pools were obviously completely imbalanced so we just had to hide from the ladder until they fixed it. Luckily it was pretty quick :D
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| mrjpark United States. May 05 2012 05:09. Posts 267 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You have obviously never played StarCraft 1. Spawning pools used to cost 150 minerals and the 4 pool was broken, to say the least. |
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| Twerrax Norway. May 05 2012 05:10. Posts 20 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 05:01 Grend wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. Hahahaha
So what if you could make a pool at once. You still wont have any more larva, you cant 6pool with more lings, it would just come a few secs earlier. It would still not be a viable strat in any circumstance, hell Z cheese is way underpowered if you ask me. Though it would make up for somewhat a better weak Z early game. |
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| mrjpark United States. May 05 2012 05:13. Posts 267 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 05:10 Twerrax wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:01 Grend wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. Hahahaha
So what if you could make a pool at once. You still wont have any more larva, you cant 6pool with more lings, it would just come a few secs earlier. It would still not be a viable strat in any circumstance, hell Z cheese is way underpowered if you ask me. Though it would make up for somewhat a better weak Z early game.
The pool still takes time to build. Enough time for you to get enough larva and mine enough minerals to make 6 lings immediately. Game over. |
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| Rk0 Netherlands. May 05 2012 05:14. Posts 224 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
Ugh the horror for 6pools.. I dont even want to think about it lmao. |
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| BreakeR. Austria. May 05 2012 05:15. Posts 220 | Profile # |
So what if you could make a pool at once. You still wont have any more larva, you cant 6pool with more lings, it would just come a few secs earlier. It would still not be a viable strat in any circumstance, hell Z cheese is way underpowered if you ask me. Though it would make up for somewhat a better weak Z early game.
Would be pretty much the same if a rax would cost 100 Minerals because 2rax is broken.
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| onlinerobbe Germany. May 05 2012 05:16. Posts 546 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 05:10 Twerrax wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:01 Grend wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. Hahahaha
So what if you could make a pool at once. You still wont have any more larva, you cant 6pool with more lings, it would just come a few secs earlier. It would still not be a viable strat in any circumstance, hell Z cheese is way underpowered if you ask me. Though it would make up for somewhat a better weak Z early game.
:o go ingame and check how long it takes to get those 200 minerals and than look at how much damage you can still do,
and then think about how much earlier you'd be in your opponents base with 6 lings, I'm not sure a pool right away would actually be soppable with a normal start from the opponent^^
I'm not even sure if you're serious because of how ridiculously strong it'd beLast edit: 2012-05-05 05:18:18 |
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| Sbrubbles Brazil. May 05 2012 05:17. Posts 2178 | Profile # |
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| IamMagic Canada. May 05 2012 05:18. Posts 50 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 05:04 a176 wrote:
what exactly does increased ground range help accomplish?
early terran agression before you have speed researched, some players straight up die to 2 rax bunker rushes it will help them a little |
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| Twerrax Norway. May 05 2012 05:23. Posts 20 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 05:16 onlinerobbe wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:10 Twerrax wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:01 Grend wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. Hahahaha
So what if you could make a pool at once. You still wont have any more larva, you cant 6pool with more lings, it would just come a few secs earlier. It would still not be a viable strat in any circumstance, hell Z cheese is way underpowered if you ask me. Though it would make up for somewhat a better weak Z early game.
:o go ingame and check how long it takes to get those 200 minerals and than look at how much damage you can still do, and then think about how much earlier you'd be in your opponents base with 6 lings, I'm not sure a pool right away would actually be soppable with a normal start from the opponent^^ I'm not even sure if you're serious because of how ridiculously strong it'd be
Why is this so much stronger than a normal 6 pool? You will not have any more larvae. You will be supply capped at the same places etc. Even with todays 6pool you are not broke, you are short of larvae. Its not like more money will spawn you more larvae. |
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| Finnz United Kingdom. May 05 2012 05:24. Posts 218 | Profile # |
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| mrjpark United States. May 05 2012 05:24. Posts 267 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 05:18 IamMagic wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:04 a176 wrote:
what exactly does increased ground range help accomplish?
early terran agression before you have speed researched, some players straight up die to 2 rax bunker rushes it will help them a little
That's my point, though, they're trying to fix something that ain't broken. And if it's meant for hellions, queens are too slow to ever properly deal with hellions. And even then, we either drop an early roach warren for 3-4 roaches or randomly make a ton of slings to surprise sex the hellions with a massive surround and take complete map control. I liked the idea of the energy buff because it allowed queens to be a little more versatile in their defense. Which they're still not. They're great against very small numbers of air or ground units, but are otherwise useless and are better off just sitting by themselves injecting. They basically have a role outside of larva/creep in the first 4-5 minutes of the game and the last 4-5 minutes of the game...assuming you reached brood lords.
On May 05 2012 05:23 Twerrax wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:16 onlinerobbe wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:10 Twerrax wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:01 Grend wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:37 Twerrax wrote:
Reduce spawning pool cost from 200 to 50. Or 100.
So that a 10pool for a bit faster queens is not shooting oneself in the foot eco wise. Some would say that this would encourage more 6pools, but I don't think so cause you still have the same amount of larva.
You crack me up Let`s make larvae be returned from cancelled eggs too while were at it. Should not have any effect on early rushes Edit: just realized: if it costed 50 you could actually start making the pool at once. Hahahaha
So what if you could make a pool at once. You still wont have any more larva, you cant 6pool with more lings, it would just come a few secs earlier. It would still not be a viable strat in any circumstance, hell Z cheese is way underpowered if you ask me. Though it would make up for somewhat a better weak Z early game.
:o go ingame and check how long it takes to get those 200 minerals and than look at how much damage you can still do, and then think about how much earlier you'd be in your opponents base with 6 lings, I'm not sure a pool right away would actually be soppable with a normal start from the opponent^^ I'm not even sure if you're serious because of how ridiculously strong it'd be
Why is this so much stronger than a normal 6 pool? You will not have any more larvae. You will be supply capped at the same places etc. Even with todays 6pool you are not broke, you are short of larvae. Its not like more money will spawn you more larvae.
Larva is produced at a rate of 1 every 15 seconds. Also, spawning pool takes over a minute to finish building. You'll have the larva. Also, I take it you don't 6 pool much. The standard six pool actually incorporates extractor tricks to reach 10 lings quickly and then the ovie right after. Your suggestion is broken. Move on.Last edit: 2012-05-05 05:31:25 |
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| Existor Russian Federation. May 05 2012 05:31. Posts 3122 | Profile # |
| Faster overlord ruins any rush and all-in strategies in ZvZ. Now, every Zerg will be ready to any incoming atack in ZvZ. That matchup now becomes a totally macro-oriented game. Sadly... |
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| Nachtwind Germany. May 05 2012 05:38. Posts 562 | Profile # |
On May 05 2012 05:18 IamMagic wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:04 a176 wrote:
what exactly does increased ground range help accomplish?
early terran agression before you have speed researched, some players straight up die to 2 rax bunker rushes it will help them a little
doesn´t even the best of the best sometimes struggles vs this?Last edit: 2012-05-05 05:38:21 |
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| CruelZeratul Germany. May 05 2012 05:39. Posts 1721 | Profile # |
| Is the 5 Range buff US only, or am I using the wrong map? When I test it the Queen has 50 Energy as it was before, |
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