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| Yacobs United States. May 03 2012 23:09. Posts 356 | Profile # |
(This is not a QQ thread -- the introduction is just to set the tone.)
Now, I'm by no means a fantastic Dota2 player. However, I still get "punished" by the match-maker, it seems. Earlier this week, I won 6 matches in a row and, since then, every team I'm on has at least two completely incompetent players.
So. My question is this: does anyone have tried-and-true strategies for making the best of situations like this? (Obviously, one strategy would be for mediocre players like me to improve drastically overall but that's a long term solution.) In other words, how do you put yourself in the best position to win a game where you're handcuffed to incompetent players?
I'm not looking for general tips like "Be the leader!" or "Always carry a TP scroll!" or whatever. How about specific suggestions?
For example, what heroes are good enough early game (from a medium-skill pub game perspective) where I can start owning the enemy team without reliable help from my team, but are also good enough mid/late-game that I can snowball that advantage?
Any discussion around that type of thing would be much appreciated. |
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| Kaal Djibouti. May 03 2012 23:14. Posts 1625 | Profile Blog # |
| Pick Lycan or Furion, win game. If you can't win the game, then you're at the MMR you deserve to be at. |
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| bluehawky United Kingdom. May 03 2012 23:14. Posts 127 | Profile Blog # |
I think it's quite easy sometimes to atleast tell if your team mates are less competent, The way I would usally adress this is by either giveing advice (which sometimes causes aruguments) Or if you feel confident play mid and gank effectively so the rest of your team atleast has a gold advantage!
Though in all honesty some people can't and wont take advice even if it's to help them  , Maybe try looking for a group of like minded players who would like to group and play with you :D!
Hopefully this helps a little :o
On May 03 2012 23:14 Kaal wrote:
Pick Lycan or Furion, win game. If you can't win the game, then you're at the MMR you deserve to be at.
Games are very boring if you only play certain heros a little diversity nevere hurt anyone :sLast edit: 2012-05-03 23:15:36 |
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| Comeh United States. May 03 2012 23:21. Posts 3813 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 23:14 Kaal wrote:
Pick Lycan or Furion, win game. If you can't win the game, then you're at the MMR you deserve to be at.
Oddly enough, this works.
I've gone 10-2 ever since I started playing Furion.  |
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| Yacobs United States. May 03 2012 23:22. Posts 356 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 23:14 Kaal wrote:
Pick Lycan or Furion, win game. If you can't win the game, then you're at the MMR you deserve to be at.
I do play Lycan sometimes but he's not terribly interesting.
And MMR has nothing to do with it. Sometimes I'm in matches where everyone is quite good. Sometimes I'm in matches where a few people are absolutely horrible. Don't pretend the match-making system works well at this point.
EDIT: so, as Furion with bad teammates, I assume you're focusing on pushing rather than fancy teleport-ganks?Last edit: 2012-05-03 23:22:57 |
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| Logo United States. May 03 2012 23:23. Posts 2643 | Profile Blog # |
You can really go about it a lot of different ways, but I tend to like tanky characters (or characters who build into tankiness) who can semi-carry, but also start a fight. So Beast Master, Syllabear, Death Prophet, Skeleton King, Sven, Slardar, or Clockwork (not so much a carry, but can be pretty beastly with farm/levels). I like them because they you can initiate with them if your team is too bad to take advantage of poor positioning (most teams will follow you in regardless of how stupid), can do some ganking/pushing if your team is too passive, and can semi-carry to help you win mid/late game. Most of them also have good disables (DP excluded) which helps you cover for your team mistakes. With fragile characters and bad teammates I often find myself stuck waiting for my team to initiate and then when they do it's in horrible positioning and we get rolled. If you can pick the fight yourself you don't have to worry about that.
Of course you can just as easily try to play super support, win lanes, and really lead your bad allies and help them avoid being ganked. You could also play a hard carry who can pick their fights well and be really map aware so that you get the farm you need. It all depends I suppose.
The biggest thing though is to not turn 1 mistake into 2. So many times teams pick up doubles or triples because a good player tries to go in to help a bad player who's screwed up so badly they're already dead. Sometimes you just have to let it go and get out yourself. If you DO go in to help someone do it 100%, the only thing worse than making a mistake and trying to help someone is being indecisive so that you have no chance to escape OR help the person at all.Last edit: 2012-05-03 23:28:07 |
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konadora  Singapore. May 03 2012 23:28. Posts 44512 | Profile Blog # |
pick a strong semi-carry. carries that are heavily farm dependent and doesn't have that much farming ability early-mid game (am/void/spectre) aren't too recommended because they do rely on your teammates.
as for going furion, you'll want to invest heavily in late game + pushing. generally i tend to go midas into straight aghanims, followed by orchid, sheep, deso etc (not necessarily in that order). |
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| scorch- United States. May 03 2012 23:32. Posts 576 | Profile # |
| Pretty much what people have said. Pick a jungle farmer/pusher or pick a strong ganking mid solo (QoP, tiny, storm, puck, clockwerk, beastmaster, etc), outfarm and level the opposing solo until you hit the point where you can snowball by ganking and then control runes and gank/push the whole game. Clock is my favorite hero to do this on, and if you do it well you can get a scepter and become the most fun hero in the game. |
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| rabidch Singapore. May 03 2012 23:34. Posts 8070 | Profile # |
| i prefer to look at my own faults first. when i cant find any then i have to see points where i have to tell other people what to do. this is a bit time consuming (since i dont spend a lot of time on dota2 usually) but i dislike picking specific heroes and lineups just to ensure wins |
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| Yacobs United States. May 03 2012 23:46. Posts 356 | Profile # |
On May 03 2012 23:34 rabidch wrote:
i prefer to look at my own faults first. when i cant find any then i have to see points where i have to tell other people what to do. this is a bit time consuming (since i dont spend a lot of time on dota2 usually) but i dislike picking specific heroes and lineups just to ensure wins
Well, of course I want to improve my own game. That's what this is about. But it's tough to work on my support Venomancer skills when my team is too bad to take advantage of it. So I want to improve a specific part of my own game -- carrying my team to victory. |
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| TheWarbler United States. May 03 2012 23:55. Posts 1241 | Profile Blog # |
| If I don't pick a mid or I am not getting babysit when I am a HC, I usually lose. I honestly end playing NADL or TLnet |
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| RockIronrod Australia. May 04 2012 00:03. Posts 639 | Profile # |
| Gank a lot and do anything you can to cripple the enemy team. No team is so bad they can't win with a 10k gold advantage. |
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| Comeh United States. May 04 2012 00:12. Posts 3813 | Profile Blog # |
On May 03 2012 23:46 Yacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:34 rabidch wrote:
i prefer to look at my own faults first. when i cant find any then i have to see points where i have to tell other people what to do. this is a bit time consuming (since i dont spend a lot of time on dota2 usually) but i dislike picking specific heroes and lineups just to ensure wins
Well, of course I want to improve my own game. That's what this is about. But it's tough to work on my support Venomancer skills when my team is too bad to take advantage of it. So I want to improve a specific part of my own game -- carrying my team to victory.
I'm not that good, but a lot of times in pubs you can get away with playing furion in the jungle - since they won't do much to gank/harass you, you can easily acquire hand of midas and slowly working your way to victory. By the time I have treads, I can deduce how good my team is / what kind of items I will require to get to carry the team to victory. Just use his global presence and ganking ability and take advantage of it (and he's so fun to get an early (~16/17 minute) dagon with ) |
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| Spicy_Curry United States. May 04 2012 01:01. Posts 2265 | Profile Blog # |
Either go mid or jungle and then proceed to 1v5 the enemy team. You want to solo because then its your skill against the opponents skill and if you lose then you shouldnt win regardless. People at medium skill level wont hold runes for you or them.
leshrac, invoker, windrunner, dk, ns, furion, lycan, kunkka, tiny, sand king, shadow friend, morph, riki, viper, bounty, juggernaut, storm, qop, tinker, shadow demon, dark seer, death prophet, etc.
The point is with most heroes you can simply out play your opponents and that is probably the most efficient way to get better.
Oh and you were mentioning how your teammates cant take advantage of your support veno? If you are supporting you should be directly responsible for winning atleast 1 lane preferably 2 with roaming and wards.Last edit: 2012-05-04 01:12:35 |
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| Kznn Brazil. May 04 2012 01:03. Posts 5297 | Profile # |
| the lycan/furion thing is very true. also, ns is a great pub stomper :D |
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| Unleashing Denmark. May 04 2012 01:49. Posts 2403 | Profile # |
Play solo heroes with carry potential, that is the saving grace of match making.
That or find friends to play with. |
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| Yacobs United States. May 04 2012 04:30. Posts 356 | Profile # |
On May 04 2012 01:01 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Oh and you were mentioning how your teammates cant take advantage of your support veno? If you are supporting you should be directly responsible for winning atleast 1 lane preferably 2 with roaming and wards.
I want to avoid things like roaming. When it works, great, but when you're dealing with really bad players, roaming won't work because they won't respond to your pings or they will respond but overextend, etc etc.
I like the idea of mastering Furion. Seems like a flexible-enough hero that I can go with the flow (like, if someone shouts MID OR I FEED) and still feel like I don't need to rely on teammates as much. |
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| Heh_ Singapore. May 04 2012 04:31. Posts 2245 | Profile Blog # |
| Pick tinker and push 3 lanes simultaneously =D |
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| KillerSOS United States. May 04 2012 05:00. Posts 2018 | Profile # |
| Honestly just find people to play with... it's the only way to have fun in this game. |
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