| CosmicSpiral United States. May 06 2012 11:54. Posts 7566 | Profile Blog # |
| 4th still not saturated. Ret bashing his head into perhaps the perfect anti-roach army. ;_; |
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| Bayyne United States. May 06 2012 11:56. Posts 1566 | Profile # |
| Ret is just too good over Cruncher. |
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| ObliviousNA United States. May 06 2012 11:56. Posts 448 | Profile # |
| As a protoss player... incredibly frustrating to watch. |
| | Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why. |
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| the`postman United States. May 06 2012 11:57. Posts 672 | Profile # |
On May 06 2012 11:51 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?
+ getting owned by Phoenix early + and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases Just a really poor game by both.
how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?
optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas) most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones
3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.
So if you have no army (and cant defend your first 3 bases), you produce even more drones who mine less efficiently? Just produce an army, take 4th, then produce the additional drones. Thats pretty easy with zerg mechanics. On near patches, the efficiency of a 3rd drone is ~30%. On pro level that is not "fine".
It even out to about 20 minerals/minute for the third drone so they pay for themselves in 2.5 minutes. That's not bad, especially when he knew he would need them for spine crawlers.
I'm not going to theory craft the entire game to see what else could have happened there, but 90 drones worked out fine for him, people exaggerate how bad it is to go over 2/patch. |
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| ibo422 Belgium. May 06 2012 12:01. Posts 2045 | Profile # |
| did alive - idra played yet? |
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| 00Visor May 06 2012 12:03. Posts 4067 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 11:57 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 11:51 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?
+ getting owned by Phoenix early + and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases Just a really poor game by both.
how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?
optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas) most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones
3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.
So if you have no army (and cant defend your first 3 bases), you produce even more drones who mine less efficiently? Just produce an army, take 4th, then produce the additional drones. Thats pretty easy with zerg mechanics. On near patches, the efficiency of a 3rd drone is ~30%. On pro level that is not "fine".
It even out to about 20 minerals/minute for the third drone so they pay for themselves in 2.5 minutes. That's not bad, especially when he knew he would need them for spine crawlers. I'm not going to theory craft the entire game to see what else could have happened there, but 90 drones worked out fine for him, people exaggerate how bad it is to go over 2/patch.
I know the numbers. Its ok to get 3 workers on far patches.
Zergs have to decide all the time between producing workers and army. There it was between "30% worker" and army. I clearly disagree with the decision there. |
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| CosmicSpiral United States. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 7566 | Profile Blog # |
| Ha, Thorzain getting punished for his greedy play. |
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| Weird United States. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 649 | Profile Blog # | |
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| MrCash United States. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 1498 | Profile # |
I missed it, what happened?
edit - Ok, replay explains it all.Last edit: 2012-05-06 12:06:11 |
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| Chewbacca. United States. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 1451 | Profile # |
On May 06 2012 12:01 ibo422 wrote:
did alive - idra played yet?
Nope |
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| Severian Australia. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 1887 | Profile # |
| Well... that's some blind play right there. |
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| Slike Greece. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 124 | Profile # |
| Hahahaha I love thorzain but seriously , lowely is pure gold - so random :D Last edit: 2012-05-06 12:05:31 |
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| iamperfection United States. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 4809 | Profile Blog # |
| oh come on thorzain i wanted to see all the scvs die. |
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| Fighter Korea (South). May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 1093 | Profile # |
| Ha Lowely is so underrated! |
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| Dexington Canada. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 5873 | Profile Blog # |
| LOL I love Lowely! He certainly has his own style. |
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| BathTubNZ New Zealand. May 06 2012 12:05. Posts 2186 | Profile # |
| Wow, crazy, guess that's the definition of greedy builds. |
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| compucomp United States. May 06 2012 12:06. Posts 98 | Profile # |
| I can't believe this 14 drone 1 base baneling bust worked, I use it at the platinum level and its success rate is not great. One bunker stops this rush. |
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| Antithesis Germany. May 06 2012 12:06. Posts 757 | Profile # |
| That was unfortunate for Throzain. |
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| CosmicSpiral United States. May 06 2012 12:08. Posts 7566 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 12:06 compucomp wrote:
I can't believe this 14 drone 1 base baneling bust worked, I use it at the platinum level and its success rate is not great. One bunker stops this rush.
Lowely probably studied Thorzain's play and knew he likes to do that greedy 3CC build on Tal'Darim. Thorzain played foolishly, didn't even scout his opponent's position. Last edit: 2012-05-06 12:09:59 |
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