Pick Your Power: Redux

On May 18 2012 02:48 Mattchew wrote:
I kind of want to lynch Risk.Nuke because he's the janitor and because of some numbers thing I worked out in my head

Oh yeah man the numbers thing. What?

I want him dead just because he purposefully didnt follow the plan and now town is a mess because we dont even know if there is a janitor out there.

Is the cycle 48hr?

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risk.nuke Sweden. May 18 2012 03:30. Posts 2763

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I'm not the janitor. And if the town is a mess it's not my fault. Protip: stop complaining about it and take some action.

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Snarfs Canada. May 18 2012 03:36. Posts 764

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Sentinel said he would take Janitor if he had to:

On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.

Risk please cooperate?

risk made it quite clear he was not going to cooperate.

Then Sentinel tries to make it sound like he attempted to pick the janitor role by adding a frowny face:

On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor

When in fact we now know that the Janitor was not picked by anyone in the top 4.

Sentinel lied then tried to make it seem like he didn't lie without actually lying anymore. That's good enough for a day 1 lynch to me.

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

Zephirdd Brazil. May 18 2012 03:44. Posts 4491

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I'm done with scum hiding behind the troll card or the "my own busns" card.

##vote risk.nuke

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Qatol United States. May 18 2012 03:44. Posts 3010

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Still working on the PaqMan post, but I'll comment on everything else quickly.

On May 18 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote:
Qatol, I chose neither Janitor nor CPR

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That is what I meant in this post

Understood. I misread that post. My apologies.

On May 18 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
@quatol

I said that it was kinda unlikely that I were to hit scum because while I thought my logic was good and all (making me at the time relatively confident), I understood/understand that there was still only a 5(or6)/19 or around 1/4 chance of me hitting scum. The fact that it was almost guaranteed that he took the most anti-town role was what lead me to not second guessing my shot.

It's kinda like my first posts in the game where I talk about everyone being assigned a pick. I thought that was logical at the time, but in retrospect realized it was bad for town and plain stupid.

The CPR Doc was talked about in the sign up phase of the game and people were excited about it. It drew a ton of attention to anyone reading the thread at anytime and I had never heard of it. At somepoint when I glanced over the roles I probably read the copycat role, but in no way did it factor into my decision to shoot decon which is irresponsible i guess. In all honesty though, I know I am town. So even now, knowing about the copycat role, I think it was the right choice to shoot

First of all, Quatol is the smurf player playing in Caller's game. No u in Qatol!

Secondly, if your logic is good, why don't your chances increase? You can't be relatively confident in your shot if you think it only has a 1/4 chance of hitting scum. That doesn't make sense. I realize that it is good for the town to kill the most anti-town role, but you can't say your odds are both good and bad.

Thirdly, you make a good point about the CPR Doctor being discussed in the signup phase. I had forgotten that people did that. However, let me be specific, are you claiming that:
1. You didn't read between page 15 when you posted last and Palmar's appearance on page 18, when you started posting again.
2. You didn't read the roles very carefully at all beyond Day Vigilante and CPR Doctor.
until after your shot?

I disagree that it was the right choice to shoot. We had already planned to roleblock deconduo night 1. A day 2 shot probably removes the role from the game for good, rather than just passing it to an unknown mafia player.

On May 18 2012 02:48 Mattchew wrote:
I kind of want to lynch Risk.Nuke because he's the janitor and because of some numbers thing I worked out in my head

Why is he the janitor over marvellosity or [UoN]Sentinel?

[UoN]Sentinel, please confirm that you tried to take Janitor but did not get it. That is how I am reading your post.

Uff Da

sandroba Brazil. May 18 2012 03:46. Posts 3115

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@Palmar What is your reasoning for picking pardoner at your position?

Toadesstern Germany. May 18 2012 03:47. Posts 6103

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Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.

sandroba Brazil. May 18 2012 03:54. Posts 3115

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@The talk about mattchew: I can't see him being scum. Look at what involves mat being scum: They traded 2 roles + 1 player just to get CPR in an unknown position. No matter how you look at it it's a net loss for scum. Scum could have cpr shoot for a couple nights without doing any of this shenanigans and eventually decon would be lynched. Mattchew could dayvig anyone lurking/scummy at day 2 without much repercussion. Makes no sense for scum to invest in roles in such fashion.

Qatol United States. May 18 2012 03:54. Posts 3010

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You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

Uff Da

sandroba Brazil. May 18 2012 03:55. Posts 3115

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@toad I didn't get mason. Someone took it above me.

marvellosity United Kingdom. May 18 2012 03:55. Posts 11172

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On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.

Firstly stop with the ban talk. Secondly we don't lynch to teach someone a lesson. Thirdly I think we're better off using the appropriate bluechecks on risk during the night than we are lynching him right now.

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Toadesstern Germany. May 18 2012 03:57. Posts 6103

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On May 18 2012 03:55 marvellosity wrote:

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Yes. That's exactly what I just said. Thanks for pointing it out again in proper english.

Snarfs Canada. May 18 2012 03:59. Posts 764

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On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote:
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

Not much to analyze in my vote.

Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia).

Why would town do this?

marvellosity United Kingdom. May 18 2012 04:01. Posts 11172

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On May 18 2012 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:

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Yes. That's exactly what I just said. Thanks for pointing it out again in proper english.

lol I'm so confused o.o

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Snarfs Canada. May 18 2012 04:01. Posts 764

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On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.

I don't think Blue is a good vote at this point in the game. Let him play a bit. I think he becomes easier to figure out as the game goes on.

Your thoughts on Sentinel?

Toadesstern Germany. May 18 2012 04:04. Posts 6103

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On May 18 2012 03:59 Snarfs wrote:

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Marv and Risk did the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure one of the 3 is bound to be mafia but I have no idea who out of those 3 it is yet. Do you want to lynch into a three-way constellation like that when all you know is that one of them is probably mafia?

I don't think that's a good idea. Hence, we leave all of those 3 alive while telling them how anti-town that behavior was no matter if they had a genius plan behind it or not because frankly they failed horribly with their genius-plans to save the town.
We've got than enough time to figure that out this day or the next day and make an (at least) educated guess on who of those 3 is the guy to lynch instead of just lynching into them. So if they proceed to do things like that, fine we lynch the guy who proceeds to do thigns like that. If they stop it we try and figure it out BEFORE lynching into them.

[UoN]Sentinel United States. May 18 2012 04:05. Posts 2475

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Sorry bout that, was in school.

Anyways. I am Vanilla Town and not Janitor. So I'm claiming either risk or marvel is the janitor. And I don't trust risk. Because risk does not like the plan.

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risk.nuke Sweden. May 18 2012 04:07. Posts 2763

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Sentinel: is interesting. Would really like him to come in and try to explain himself.

Blue: I agree with you toad but lynching on meta day 1 haven't worked in the past.

Qatol: He's said several things that I really don't like and disagree with but he's one of the most active players so not the best lynch candidate for now.

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risk.nuke Sweden. May 18 2012 04:07. Posts 2763

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So you tried to take Janitor?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

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Toadesstern Germany. May 18 2012 04:07. Posts 6103

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On May 18 2012 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:

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And that's pretty much the same situation for mattchew here. I'm sure it was weird as shit and I am SO CONFUSED about it because if someone would have asked me pre-game if mattchew had to balls to do something like that as town I would have told him "Never".
Scum makes no sense from his point of view as well as Sandroba has pointed out.
SK makes a little sense imo but it's still weird.
That's why I am confused. However I am pretty sure we can figure him out the next couple of days, hence we leave him alive and try to understand what happened and why it happened.