Pick Your Power: Redux - Page 64

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On May 22 2012 14:20 Snarfs wrote:
Qatol, with regards to your case on hiro, I actually came to many of the same conclusions separately from that post and it was good to see many of my own ideas in your head as well. Especially with regards to not providing a single reason for lynching Sentinel, while at the same time not really arguing against Sentinel's lynch. Not once, until after Sentinel had died, did he say that he thought no scum would do what he did.

However, I think the problem I had with putting him at the top of my scum list though was this line here:


We had just lynched Sentinel and the conversation had moved away from PaqMan; then, he throws his name out again without anyone else, and also puts the idea in vigs heads to shoot him. Seemed kinda risky mafia play to me.

What are your thoughts on that?

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Now, to turn the page a little. I'm wondering if all you vets out there (Qatol, sandroba, Palmar, anyone else wanting to take a stab) wouldn't mind helping me out with a look at slOosh. I'll admit, he isn't really a mafia candidate in my books, but he deserves a look as a possible SK for sure.

I'm getting a much more wishy-washy feeling from slOosh than I had in a previous game I played with him. None of his posts seem committal and he constantly seems to be deferring decisions in the game to other players:
I.E.:



Also, his "longer" posts have been more concerned with mechanics than scumhunting: [example]

Compare this with the slOosh from C9++ mini mafia:
Link to Filter
He is quite a bit more assertive and more proactive in finding mafia in this town game:
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@slOosh: What gives, man? Why do you seem so wishy-washy this game?

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Finally, my own opinion in regards to the roleclaims:
I think we should come up with a list of most suspicious people and get them to claim first.
People like hiro protagonist.

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On May 22 2012 17:16 zelblade wrote:
Regarding the roleclaim plans, I have stated n1 that I was comfortable with it. I maintain this stance. Qatol's suggested change seems good too, so I would like for us to follow it today.

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Now to the more important stuff.



So you think im scum based off a few weak points.

First off, you mention that I defended Paqman. What you dont mention is that I did this near the start of D1, wherein I felt that there was a reasonable explanation of a town Paqman, since I could symphatise with how he mentioned that he didnt contribute much to the plans due to the fact that the plans were already pretty much set when he entered the thread - something similar happened for me, not being able to access the thread till very late in the drafting phase. I never mentioned paqman again in the thread for the primary reason of day 1 being occupied with sentinel, and I didnt find it neccessary to reveal my reads during the night. Also, what the hell do you mean by a "soft" defense? Do you really want me to come out guns blazing and say that Paq is confirmed town D1 based on things that I werent certain of? Qatol's case was an excellent way to apply pressure, why would I bother giving Paq any more help? I was simply stating my thoughts on what I felt was going to be a townie lynch, how is that scummy? Have you never had a wrong read D1?

You say I "scold" risk for not following the plan, and reference that I did something similar to decondo. The reason for "scolding" (I dont even know why you call it that when it was just a plea to ask him to follow the damm plan) was because I wanted janitor to be accountable, and felt his actions were really retarded if they were townie at that point in time, since he had the potential to cause a chaotic day 1 which might not have ended so well - (read: if sentinel simply claimed he didnt take janitor).

Off you go to write your full case.

Anyway, speaking of this, I find the way Hiro calls me out to be extermely suspicious. Im just rehashing a couple of Qatol's points - but why have you been lurking so actively? You say that your activity levels flactuate, but looking at the timestamps clearly indicate that you came out of lurking around 15 minutes after Qatol called you out. Coincidence? I think not.

The way that you write suspicions on me are also suspect. You take a old post of mine compared to a recent one of yours and say that it is why I am a better shot and frankly thats complete bullshit as Qatol mentioned due to the time difference between them. Not to mention that your suspicions on me makes me feel that you are using said suspisions as a way to draw heat off yourself and onto me.

And of course mafia can claim JOAT - but why do so, and a townie that actually picked it and failed (read:me) will do so too. I dont see your point here

I would be rather happy to lynch him right now, though if we are putting the roleclaim plan into effect I am more than willing to wait a little to see what comes out of it.

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On May 22 2012 18:25 hiro protagonist wrote:
First off, Im a little tipsy. Just a heads up.

Ill address Qatols questions:

First, for my activity, I had left the thread sometime after the PacMan flip, and did not check in for a while. When you had made your post on me I was in the middle of re-reading the thread and going though filters. I had been doing that for a couple hours by that point, and was not even planing on responding right away, but then you asked risk to shoot me, and I thought this was some sort trap because at the time I thought Vigs only had 1 bullet, and I brought It up. Had you not brought up a case against me,(and especially one that would have me die in the night) I most likely would not have posted at all until the day post, when I would have brought out my full case on zelblade, because I did not have the time to construct it out today. Instead, I made an half ass case because I thought I might die, an I wanted people to look at zelblade if I did die.

Second, The two quotes are indeed at different times, and putting them side by side is slightly more pathos than I intended. I can see why zelblade thinks Im misrepresenting him at this point. I put up my quote to aid in my defense. I posted zels because I wanted to go into discussion about not just that he soft defended him but HOW he did. Its not just one thing hes done, but a set of actions that collectively draw me to the conclusion that he is mafia. I plan on addressing this with my full right up on zelblade come morning.

Third, ok, roleclaiming, its all the rage i guess. But sense i did not die last night, Ill hold for now. Im down for any organized claiming. just let me know when its my turn

One last thing:
I was roleblocked last night.

see you in the morning

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On May 22 2012 20:10 Toadesstern wrote:
Was Qatol shot?

We're missing one KP again. SK has 1 KP and mafia has 1 KP but there's only one dead guy and I guess whoever shot blue went for a save hit rather than someone looking good to avoid protection. So unless somehow SK and Mafia (going to use "mafia" for both SK and mafia from now on...) BOTH had the same idea and BOTH shot the exact same guy we're missing one guy.

I'd assume Qatol jailed risk or marv and I'm pretty sure mafia assumed something along those lines as well. Or at least someone like Risk / marv. The imortant part is that Qatol can't jail himself, even if he could he would probably RB himself before protecting rendering the protection useless

The the interesting part here is, did mafia shoot into someone like Risk / marv and we'll probably never know because Risk / marv won't get confirmation on that one according to Chaoser, or did mafia shoot Qatol because that would have been the reasonable thing to do if you want to avoid protection, unless of course there's a real medic around, however I'd take that risk over shooting into risk / marv without a second of a thought as mafia.

Right now I'd assume Qatol did not jail risk and rather went for his #2 "target" because he said something along the lines "vigs shoot into XYZ" yesterday, didn't he? So he probably wanted risk to shoot because there's not a fantastillion vigs around anymore. Risk could tell us if he was RB'ed but he can not tell us if he was protected and Qatol could just tell us who he jailed



However the interesting part here is why Qatol is not dead. He is the guy able to save everyones life except for his own. So I'd actually say the 2nd hit was Qatol and he was protected by a real medic. Can't imagine mafia not wanting Qatol dead right now when he's even the save-hit if there's no 2nd medic.
Confirmation on who was RB'ed / protected / hit would still be nice to figure this out.

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On May 22 2012 20:25 Zephirdd wrote:
TBH Barundar should be lynched.

Bluelightz makes decent case for the first time in his life -> he is killed the day after. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT

Now, on a serious note, I agree with the mass claim plan. And I'll agree with it by claiming.

There is a Politician in game.
I picked Politician and got Vanilla. I wanted to deny/confirm a possible Politician in game, and I didn't claim earlier to create suspicion for mafia(omg, maybe I would be a protective role right?). At this point, this information is better for town.

I wanted marv's partner(who isn't me!) to claim because he could be higher up than me on the list, but if the politician(and probably SK) is Barundar as I suspect, I'm the one who should be claiming.

Now, if you want a case on Barundar, I present you Bluelightz' best case ever.

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On May 22 2012 21:03 Toadesstern wrote:


yeah exactly, however I only had the nested quote of this one in my mind, didn't see chaosers update until you just said that:

so I thought he assumed he would get a notification when really he would not. But that statement makes clear that he would have gotten an notification which brings us to our problem again:
We have a jailer who can protect people but he protected someone that didn't end up being shot and we're missing KP
=> we probably have a medic or someone shot into a vet / hider.

Pretty sure a vet and a medic would get a notification as well, not sure about the hider though.

I'm just mentioning that because it could be an issue for the massclaim and I would like Qatols thought on that before starting doing anyting because if we have a medic that could change some things.
I'm going to do whatever Qatol says because clearly he's carrying town right now but I want his comment on that one before starting everything to make sure he just didn't forget about that part.

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On May 18 2012 10:51 Snarfs wrote:
One of risk.nuke, marv, and Sentinel is lying in a manner that is hurting town.

This means that one of them is scum. That is a 1/3 chance, much better than any hunches you might have on PaqMan or sandroba or whoever else.

To address some points:

risk.nuke has voted Sentinel and Sentinel has voted risk.nuke; therefore, it is very unlikely that one of them is lying to draw fire from scum if they have actually chosen Janitor.

Sentinel has claimed vanilla town; therefore, is probably the safest lynch of the three if we want to avoid accidentally lynching a blue.

@Toad: We are not lynching blind into 3 targets. Read the thread. Read their filters. Make an educated decision. Don't lynch blind.


My scum rank for the three are:
1. Sentinel
2. risk.nuke
3. marvellosity

Any discussion of targets other than these 3 will only help cause confusion amongst the town and WILL ONLY BENEFIT SCUM. Qatol, I do understand the conviction to lynch a scum you think you've got pegged, but other people (myself included) just don't see the case as that strong. Here we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum. Those are great odds. Help us out with some analysis of these 3 people rather than tunneling on PaqMan.

To conclude: People should talk about Sentinel, risk.nuke and marvellosity because there is a 1/3 random chance that one of them is scum. Talking about other targets will only help mafia because it spreads confusion among a town which must be focused to win the game.

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On May 22 2012 23:10 Palmar wrote:


I had initial reservations about him, but mostly just the "not-sure-if-town" type of thing. Like I would rather kill a few other people.

I still think Toad might be possible scum or something in that lieu.

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On May 22 2012 23:19 Zephirdd wrote:

Lool! Yeah right. I'm a SK that just claimed vt-politician and is pushing the ass of someone just to be seen as a liar after his flip, RIGHT?

Even if I was SK, I'd be dead as soon as you, sloosh and misder died. And this could be achieved as soon as the next night, if you consider lynch+vigi+mafia shot.

Don't be silly mr SK.

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