Pick Your Power: Redux

I thought our plan was sandroba - zelblade.

I'm still amazed sandroba flipped townie but we should use this information imo. He's a vet scumhunter and yesterday he was in the unique position of knowing he was not scum. He leant heavily on zelblade as the final scum.

##Vote: zelblade

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marvellosity United Kingdom. June 03 2012 20:09. Posts 11325

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Plus Snarfs also thought zelblade had a good chance of flipping scum.

Guys, I don't wanna let this go the way of the no-lynch.

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Mattchew United States. June 04 2012 02:16. Posts 5120

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On June 03 2012 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
Plus Snarfs also thought zelblade had a good chance of flipping scum.

Guys, I don't wanna let this go the way of the no-lynch.

why, (not accusatory, actual wonder)

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.

marvellosity United Kingdom. June 04 2012 04:25. Posts 11325

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On June 04 2012 02:16 Mattchew wrote:

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why, (not accusatory, actual wonder)

Good question. Not sure really, but with my masonee and sandroba each having zelblade is scum it seems the right way to go.

Plus this game has become a bit of a graveyard and I'm not sure I can bear waiting another 48/72 hours to be put in the same position

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Mattchew United States. June 04 2012 04:49. Posts 5120

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On June 04 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:

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i mean we are in mylo, if we no-lynch we just take out 1 more person from the pool cant hurt

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.

marvellosity United Kingdom. June 04 2012 05:37. Posts 11325

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On June 04 2012 04:49 Mattchew wrote:

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i mean we are in mylo, if we no-lynch we just take out 1 more person from the pool cant hurt

maybe you're right. I never got the no-lynch mylo thing. scum don't have to kill :/

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zelblade Singapore. June 04 2012 14:21. Posts 872

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I am not scum.

As said, I am pretty shocked that sandroba was not the last scum. Was relatively sure that the last scum was within toad and sandroba, which also happens to be why I wasnt actually doing much these past couple of days - I assumed that we won already.

I have responded to the cases made against me, and I have given my reasons for all my actions thus far. Do you really think I would decide to fuck over sentinel D1 in exchange for getting some free cred (and I didnt even vote him so it wasnt even a full bus) which wouldnt have lasted long, sacrificing 1 extra KP n1?

So who is the last scum? Just finished doing a reread and here are my conclusions:

zelblade Singapore. June 04 2012 14:22. Posts 872

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Well damm I pressed post by accident thoughts coming in abit

zelblade Singapore. June 04 2012 14:59. Posts 872

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First off is mattchew, who decided to dayvig deconduo at the start of day 1. From this action alone, it is extremely unlikely that he is scum - I highly doubt that he would sac his scum buddy (who happened to be their vet) in exchange for cred considering that no one picked up copycat. I highly doubt he is scum. And if he is I wouldnt mind losing to that baller move lol.

Misder picked up roleblocker. At first, I did state that misder was probably town, primilarly due to the fact that his roleblocks didnt fit a mafia agenda. Well after reconsidering stuff it is possible that he did those to look townie since all his scumbuddies were dead anyway and doing so would allow for a safe roleclaim. Looking at his filter I dont really think he is scum though.

Which leads me to believe that the last scum is marvellosity. I find it extremely wierd that he took the mason role at spot 3. I believe that he did so in order to deny sandroba mason. Sandroba happens to be a vet, and the mason role in his hands, which I speculate would have been used by him to get into contact with one his stronger town reads (probably Qatol) would probably be extremely dangerous for scum. Not only that, doing so would allow him to get into a decent position, primilarly due to the fact that whoever he got masoned with would be inclined to think that he was town. I dont think picking a scumbuddy would be a good move for mason, since there would be a lot of explanation to do when the partner flipped.

Looking through what happened D1, one would notice that marv manages to escape a lot of the attention despite being part of the situation then.

Anyways, I believe marv. Because there is literally no explanation why he would claim mason of all roles as scum. Which makes it risk.nuke's turn to get up on the noose.

Take the FoS off Qatol and replace it with Sent and Risk. I haven't read into Marv yet but as of now I'd like to keep the lynch candidates between those two. But this time I feel risk is a lot scummier than sent.

Quotes from sentinel and Paqman D1 (flipped scum). You would notice here that both of them are attempting to push along the risk wagon, whilst at the same time removing doubt from marv. I find how marv managed to escape most of the attention D1 despite not following the plan too. As I stated earlier, I found marv's action to not follow the plan despite saying that he would extremely scummy as well, simply due to the fact that it was the optimal move for scum as janitor would be a dead role.

I think that marv is the last scum. I would be fine with lynching him today, though I wouldnt mind a no-lynch either.

marvellosity United Kingdom. June 04 2012 22:12. Posts 11325

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You conveniently forget, zelblade, that it wasn't just them who were removing doubt from me.

No-one really had doubts about me, town and scum alike. The only one was sandroba who managed to not read the thread.

Given Qatol kept protecting me, Snarfs called me townie, and sandroba the same, I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Thank you for your post though, you just confirmed yourself as scum. Nice job there

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Misder United States. June 05 2012 06:36. Posts 1017

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zelblade- Why did you leave your vote on risk.nuke day 1? Why did you claim JOAT so late/without crumbing? Is there anything else besides shooting deconduo that makes him town?

marvellosity- Why did that post of zelbade confirm himself as scum?

Mattchew- Why were you accusing people of being scum without any backup?

##Vote: No lynch

Whaaaa?

marvellosity United Kingdom. June 05 2012 06:45. Posts 11325

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On June 05 2012 06:36 Misder wrote:
zelblade- Why did you leave your vote on risk.nuke day 1? Why did you claim JOAT so late/without crumbing? Is there anything else besides shooting deconduo that makes him town?

marvellosity- Why did that post of zelbade confirm himself as scum?

Mattchew- Why were you accusing people of being scum without any backup?

##Vote: No lynch

Because he's backed into a corner and finally forced to pick a target. If you really want me to dissect his pathetic case line by line, I will do so.

Do not vote no-lynch, zelblade is scum.

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zelblade Singapore. June 05 2012 11:42. Posts 872

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When I came back there were 11 votes on risk, which was majority + 1, which also meant that the lynch was already decieded at that point in time. I was going to claim Joat earlier (like when the claims started coming in) but I fell asleep (was really late (~2am) at that time and managed to wake up late because I didnt set my alarm. Didnt think about crumbing it. and even if I did it wouldnt have made much of a difference since scum could do that too.

Regarding mattchew, his filter isnt exactly stellar. It is entirely possible he decided to just shoot his scumbuddy in the face d1 or his team derped and didnt take copycat when they planned to, but that is exteremly unlikely imo.

@Marv

I am relatively sure the primary reason snarfs didnt mention you was because he knew your role. So I dont get why you are using him as an example.

Either way the way the day progressed was simple. Snarfs asked who got janitor, I mention that there is something wierd going on up in the top 4. Sent claims that he "did not get janitor", and Snarfs votes sent. He does not consider you as a possibility simply because you are his mason buddy and we were janitor hunting. Traitor zeph dumps his vote onto risk, and sent comes back to post this

On May 18 2012 04:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sorry bout that, was in school.

Anyways. I am Vanilla Town and not Janitor. So I'm claiming either risk or marvel is the janitor. And I don't trust risk. Because risk does not like the plan.

Naturally this triggers a reaction from risk, who proceeds to vote him. Simply put, a combanation of snarfs being your buddy and heavily pushing the lynch in sent's direction, combined with sent claiming that you were a less likely possibility, made it such that you were pretty much removed from people's thought processes. And no Qatol didnt protect you continously, his primary reason for voting sentinel was that it was the best move.

Yes I agree. While I still think that PaqMan is our best lynch target, it's clear that he won't be getting lynched this cycle. Any further pushing I do on the subject will just further splinter the town and make a no lynch/mislynch more likely. I'll have to look at filters and histories more carefully for risk.nuke, marvellosity, and Sentinel before I make a final decision, but I'll make a few observations:
1. Unless we lynch Sentinel, we don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is among the first 3 players at all. For all we know, the first 2 players took something else and Sentinel is mafia and just lying. Sentinel is also, like Snarfs mentioned, the one of the three who is claiming not to have a role. If we assume 2 townies and 1 scum (if there were 2 scum, I can't imagine that they wouldn't just have one member claim the role to avoid giving the town incredible odds of destroying their team), that means that at least 1 of the townies has a role which is probably pretty good considering where they're picking.

2. I could definitely see risk.nuke acting like this as a townie. Notice that he wanted to post his numbers so nobody else would pick them before the game even started and posted them immediately when the game did start. This shows that he's impulsive and rather selfish in his actions. He's also the only one of the three who said he wouldn't be picking Janitor or CPR before the drafting phase ended.

I'll do a more in depth analysis tomorrow, but for now, logic say vote Sentinel, so I'll preliminarily vote for him.
##Unvote: PaqMan
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

The fact that he doesnt even mention you proves my point.