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| VisceraEyes United States. May 28 2012 17:58. Posts 9664 | Profile Blog # |
Why would SnB, as newish scum, want to call apologize to me, a player who hasn't expressed any kind of problem with his posts or paid him any attention, at the same time as he's apologizing to BH, a player he's gotten into an argument with in the thread?
Here's why I ask. As scum, for me, it seems much easier to simply pacify the source of the attention rather than call further attention to myself by apologizing to another player who hasn't even commented on the offending posts. It seems...too careless, you know?
I don't think he's a good lynch really. It's true that his content is lacking, but from what I can see he seems genuinely interested in what's best for town. |
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| Zealos United Kingdom. May 28 2012 18:34. Posts 1708 | Profile Blog # |
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. |
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| Blazinghand United States. May 28 2012 18:50. Posts 11892 | Profile Blog # |
On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
1) Why you claim VT
2) Who is BE |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 20:59. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 10:12 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:39 jaj22 wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Also I have a super secret I haven't told about my super awesome powers which works against manipulation.
Ugh, AC flashbacks. I'm not really feeling this ET case. The main arcs seem to be: 1. Manipulating newbies by... promising to listen to them and not just dismiss them as useless? Fine by me. Wish everyone did that.2. Overstating the importance of the elected roles. True, but I'm not sure how this is a scumtell. 3. Not having much in his filter apart from mayor-agenda. Yeah, because it's all from three hours into the game. Not that ET's filter is squeaky clean (the part where he draws BH away from strongandbig is particularly interesting), but as you should have noticed, it's tough to campaign without doing anything suspicious. On that note, I'd be surprised if scum made much of an attempt at the elections. Without bodyguards, the risk (from campaign scrutiny) surely outweighs the reward. I think only the most ballsy scum players would bother.
1) is not manipulative toward newbies but towards everyone else. 2) well It's a mior point if he keeps ignoring contribution and talks about non-isssues instead 3) yeah agree About the last phrase: I'd say we should definitly look into people running for election without having a serious chance or without taking it serious. BH and Sinensis come to my mind on that matter because noone is going to vote something like that although it looks "brave" to troll like that because they'll get heat for that either way. So I agree, if someone is in that grey zone of "I am running for mayor" but isn't really that would be something to look for as well. On the first phrase: What alignment did I have in AC? 
I guess jaj not necessarily drawing any conclusions, but he mentioned it and then Toad dismissed the idea that it was manipulative towards newbies.
I was the one saying it is manipulative in the first place. It's obviously manipulative for newbies as well but that's so obvious you don't have to talk about it (as proven by you). The scary part is the manipulation towards not-noobies because apparently everyone things "aaaah, that's a nice guy! Such a nice guy can't be mafia! He wants to support newbies, surely a mafia could not say something like that!". Which is the reason I emphasized the manipulation on not-newbies as well because it's more subtile and more dangerous if it's really meant to be that way.
Should probably not have said "it's not manipulative towards newbies" but something like "it's also (and more importantly) manipulative towards everyone else as well".
My bad. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 21:06. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
Also lol VE, MZ AND Wiggles ninja'ed me. Should not have gone sleeping lol.
Yeah I agree Kita looks pretty bad right now.
S&B looks pretty bad as well.
I don't want Sinensis lynched yet, he's playing way to bold for a mafia imo. So unless someone tells me that's his usual mafia meta I'd rather keep him for another day
So basicly I'd be willing to vote anyone willing to lynch into Kita / S&B / ET. Kita being the safest bet right now I guess. |
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| Forumite Sweden. May 28 2012 21:49. Posts 2930 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 08:38 Toadesstern wrote:
I can answer that one: It's SS
You and supersoft have a weird love/hate relationship in this game. If you are trying to distance yourself from a scumbuddy, then you are doing it wrong.
Just a thought on Toades claiming Mason as scum.
D2, player X claims to have been masoned, noone have yet to flip so noone is confirmed.
If Toades flip Scum, then X is Scum
If Toades flip Mason, then we know nothing about X
If X flip Scum, then we know nothing about Toades
If X flip Town, THEN and only then is Toades confirmed Mason
Usually masons who are confirmed for eachother are not confirmed for town until either dies. In this case we can only confirm Toades as town without killing him is if his masonbuddy flips, AND flips as town (which isn´t a guarantee), otherwise we can´t really take anything away from Toades claim. Mason can´t be used as a tool to confirm him, not until later and not unless the right person flips the right way, so the best use of the mason power should be for secret information. Toades didn´t try to use it for that, instead he tries to pass off his claim as a confirmation that he´s town, which it isn´t. It doesn´t makes sense. I don´t know what he is, but I don´t want him as Mayor.
On May 28 2012 09:07 strongandbig wrote:
1. I am not running for mayor. In case that wasn't obvious from my earlier post "don't vote for people who haven't made a case for mayor but only for pardoner". I haven't said anything like "vote for me" since I realized that the runner up for mayor gets the pardoner rather than it being a separate election.
But, but, sigh...
##Unvote: strongandbig
On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote:
Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas?
VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day.
Why should he stick up for himself? You want to lynch him without a case, so there´s really no reason for him to defend himself.
I liked ETs play, and either him or Wiggles would make a fine Mayor.
##Vote: EchelonTee |
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| austinmcc United States. May 28 2012 21:55. Posts 2942 | Profile # |
As far as Sinensis goes, I don't find him a good lynch candidate at this point.
He's been entirely transparent with his reasoning for wanting to be mayor, and to the extent that it's a ridiculous campaign, Blazinghand had the same one. If we take Sinensis's comments at face value, he doesn't even care if he or BH get elected, so long as it's someone from the lynch-Grush party. + Show Spoiler +
On May 27 2012 13:25 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:22 Blazinghand wrote:
TBH it's a great idea. Grush really needs to die.
I would settle for being your VP if it means killing grush.
On May 27 2012 13:43 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:34 jaj22 wrote:
If you're going to policy-lynch someone because they're useless and unreadable, why pick Grush over Kenpachi? I can see why some of you might be bitter from LIV, but at least give people the chance to improve.
@Grush: Making posts longer than one line would be a good start.
Also I'm not voting for Sinensis because I can't read him worth a damn.
I am picking grush over kenpachi because kenpachi doesn't respond to criticism with "I'm mafia, lynch me." I have never seen play as bad as grush's. Most of the people in LIV spent the game trying to get grush lynched because he literally refused to play, outside of nonsense 1 liners, throughout most of the game. I don't feel like dealing with it again because I don't like losing. If you don't vote for me, I encourage you to check out BlazingHand's platform because killing grush N1 really is the best move for town.
I'm not for lynching Grush D1, but I also don't want to lynch someone for wanting to lynch Grush. The more troubling part of the tunneling is that, as has been mentioned, Sinensis can run for mayor without addressing anything else other than his desire to lynch Grush. I care less about what he would do given Grush v. a somewhat scummy candidate for lynch, because I'm willing to put some merit in the argument that someone absolutely unwilling to help town shouldn't be left sitting around. |
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| Hassybaby United Kingdom. May 28 2012 22:14. Posts 8392 | Profile Blog # |
| I....may have forgotten that this game was happening.... |
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| slOosh May 28 2012 22:20. Posts 1908 | Profile # |
Hullo hullo! A friendly reminder that the D1 votes close in ~10 hours and 17 people still haven't voted. An additional note that only the votes in this voting thread will be counted as its too hard to read through the thread for all the votes  . |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 22:24. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 21:49 Forumite wrote:You and supersoft have a weird love/hate relationship in this game. If you are trying to distance yourself from a scumbuddy, then you are doing it wrong. Just a thought on Toades claiming Mason as scum. D2, player X claims to have been masoned, noone have yet to flip so noone is confirmed. If Toades flip Scum, then X is ScumIf Toades flip Mason, then we know nothing about X If X flip Scum, then we know nothing about Toades If X flip Town, THEN and only then is Toades confirmed MasonUsually masons who are confirmed for eachother are not confirmed for town until either dies. In this case we can only confirm Toades as town without killing him is if his masonbuddy flips, AND flips as town (which isn´t a guarantee), otherwise we can´t really take anything away from Toades claim. Mason can´t be used as a tool to confirm him, not until later and not unless the right person flips the right way, so the best use of the mason power should be for secret information. Toades didn´t try to use it for that, instead he tries to pass off his claim as a confirmation that he´s town, which it isn´t. It doesn´t makes sense. I don´t know what he is, but I don´t want him as Mayor.
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:07 strongandbig wrote:
1. I am not running for mayor. In case that wasn't obvious from my earlier post "don't vote for people who haven't made a case for mayor but only for pardoner". I haven't said anything like "vote for me" since I realized that the runner up for mayor gets the pardoner rather than it being a separate election.
But, but, sigh... ##Unvote: strongandbig
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote:
Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas?
VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day.
Why should he stick up for himself? You want to lynch him without a case, so there´s really no reason for him to defend himself. I liked ETs play, and either him or Wiggles would make a fine Mayor. ##Vote: EchelonTee
SS was the first to pick the "i am town" up from Kenpachi and talk about it if I remember correctly. Kenpachi-strategy. That's why I said Kenpachi things he is mafia.
Not sure if I'd agree as I see several points in SS' play that makes me think he's town but also several things that make me think he might try to buddy up or he just believes me idk. I guess that's what you are referring to when you said love/hate relationship? |
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| Forumite Sweden. May 28 2012 22:39. Posts 2930 | Profile # |
@Toades
Supersoft was the first to call you out on your "I´m Running"-post, and you were arguing for a while, now for some reason SS doesn´t seem to think you are scum anymore, but you call him scum, which I find surprising for its timing. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 22:45. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 22:39 Forumite wrote:
@Toades
Supersoft was the first to call you out on your "I´m Running"-post, and you were arguing for a while, now for some reason SS doesn´t seem to think you are scum anymore, but you call him scum, which I find surprising for its timing.
I never called him scum. I said that Kenpachi thinks he's scum.
I called him weird so far. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 22:46. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
and not to mention: I just can't be scum.
I'm either town (duh...) or a lyncher. Either way I'm going to die early because I am either a confirmed townie and you failed to vote a modconfirmed townie or I'm a lyncher who can't produce a mason result. |
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| Zealos United Kingdom. May 28 2012 22:51. Posts 1708 | Profile Blog # |
On May 28 2012 18:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
1) Why you claim VT 2) Who is BE
1) Cause I'm VT
2) BH to a tired zealos. |
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| supersoft Germany. May 28 2012 22:55. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
| uhm... forumite you're town right? |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 22:56. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 22:55 supersoft wrote:
uhm... forumite you're town right?
yeah sadly |
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| Hyaach Singapore. May 28 2012 22:58. Posts 1725 | Profile Blog # |
Huge headache to read 15 pages of text with lots of emotions and random things inserted here and there.
On Kita's vote on me, I have no idea. He knew I wouldn't have a chance, and I was probably one of the newer names in this mafia game that posted decently early into the game. I actually saw his vote, but couldn't bother with it since it does not bother me or the way the thread was going.
I'm truly against policy lynch. It has never got any useful information out of games I played elsewhere.
Definite no to Sinensis or BH.
Toad claiming mason is something else. Its very hard to prove his alignment as forumite pointed out. He could have claimed to be RBed everynight or until X day where he come clean with a mafia buddy.
So I'm not voting him as well.
ET may have posted alot but half of it are about Sinensis/bh's policylynch campaign against grush and their meta and names throwing. The other half imo are fluffs about gamestate and mechanic surrounding mayor and pardoner.
So, no.
Mr Wiggles actually have a very transparent case so far and his is the best candidate imo.
If I could wake up in 8 hours time to reread and revote, I would do it. But for now my vote is
##vote Meapak_Ziphh
and before you say im contradicting myself which I am. I do not just want to wagon a vote, I have as much town read on Mr Wiggles as I have on Meapak_Ziphh
You may say but if you are town you would want to elect a strong candidate into Mayor. But I feel safer voting on town read by myself on someone who doesn't run for Mayor.
I believe most who ran campaigns has an agenda.
But it is still i think 8 hours till day ends? Plenty of time to decide. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 23:04. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
I'd actually rather vote forumite into an office than ET right now.
Of course I still want to lynch d1 myself because I'm awesome but there's a bunch of people saying it's dangerous:
Wiggles says I can only be town or lyncher concluding I am lyncher and therefore can't be voted into office
VE says I can only be town or lyncher, concluding I am town but it's to dangerous to vote someone who is shot n1 anyways into office because he might end up being influenced ALTHOUGH I HAVE A FUCKING ANIT-MANIPULATION POWA
Forumite apparently thinks I am mafia taking the all-in for no reason although I explained A LOT why I am really confident in my mafia play which should bring you to the conclusion, that I would be running for the long game as mafia.
It's funny because everyone has another conclusion which basicly rules out the other conclusions and noone thinks of me as a simple, plain townie who wants to ensure a townie gets voted into an office.
VE remember that one game with 3 vets that rules town with an election? I think it was foolish, BC and someone else... not sure who it was.
I am quite shocked you don't see the resemblence to your play in me this game.
If I remember correctly you fakeclaimed Dayvig who screwed up his shooting-pattern and because that happened you decided to not shoot as a townie to make sure a townie gets elected because you knew your own alignment. Yeah I called you mafia that game because I called your fakeclaim (that's the game SS and I masoned... I really can't remember the name right now) and noone understood it but still my point stands: You did an incredible amount of bullshit to get into office as a townie. And here I stand doing the same except for the fact that it's not a fake and I can confirm this and yet people think it's unlikely for a townie to want himself voted into office because he knows his own alignment and can prove that in a heartbeat....
Anyways off again, see you in 3 hours or so. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 28 2012 23:05. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
| For CHRISTS SAKE I can not be roleblocked. I CAN CONFIRM THIS SHIT EASY PEASY |
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| supersoft Germany. May 28 2012 23:07. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 23:05 Toadesstern wrote:
For CHRISTS SAKE I can not be roleblocked. I CAN CONFIRM THIS SHIT EASY PEASY
why can't you be roleblocked? |
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