TL Mafia LV - Page 62

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On May 30 2012 14:30 Mattchew wrote:
But my trap worked to perfection. I fail to see how I was scummier than WBG or MZ before the night post, so why are their claims taken at face value and mine not. I told the thread early on I would not be active, I have now been posting for almost 24 hours straight (no sleep or breaks) to get back involved in this game. Up until snb, ET was the only one to post suspicions about my shot claim+ Show Spoiler [ET post about my shot] +, however with both of them not knowing of WBG's claim there is a huge difference in the posts about my claimed hit. ET expressed curiosity as to why I was shot (because IMO he is honestly confused about scum shooting me) while SnB immediately looks for the vig that shot me. I think he was posting to find a vig to claim the shot because he knew it wasn't mafia's doing.

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On May 30 2012 14:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Today we should be lynching kitaman, I'll write a nice little something up in a bit as to why.

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On May 30 2012 14:52 Mattchew wrote:
@Prob @Wiggles and @WBG (and everyone else really)
You can say my filter is weak, but I don't think anything about it screams scummy. I was simply unable to participate in the game until recently. You could go so far to say that I looked a little Blue, but if scum were to have shot me I believe they would have been just shooting at a relatively experienced player that was basically guaranteed to not be protected. If you think my filter looks that much worse than WBG and you believe his claim I would like to know why? I understand he subbed into the game having much less time to post, but that still does not make a difference when push comes to shove about the overall content of both of our filters.

Also, you can say that lying to town is bad. I agree most of the time, but I haven't heard an answer to "how this lie can hurt town or push an anti-town agenda?".

Another point is why would I, as scum, claim, knowing that MZ and WBG were shot and still alive and likely to (I see no reason they wouldn't) claim. I would have been the obvious choice for lynch for lying according to you all, and even if I wasn't I would have been sacrificing myself to an actual vig shot / next day lynch that I don't think has any benefit as scum.

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On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
S&B and Manason are still sketchy. I want a more developed case from each of them that adds something to the thread.

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On May 30 2012 14:55 Probulous wrote:


Ok Matt, I understand. The fact that you claimed your shot first and that he dismissed you as a possible scum shot is pretty bad. I thought you had claimed after the others but by my reading you were first. So in essence the question boils down to

"Why would someone believe that scum used all their kill point on Forumite and so Matt was shot by a vig; over Matt being shot by scum?"

Is that right?

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On May 30 2012 14:35 Mattchew wrote:

I was hardly spoken of day 1 and how is my lying flawed. In what way could my lie hurt town unless I were to try and do what WBG is doing pushing for a liar lynch cause of an unclaimed extra shot (something I had no intention of doing)

Plus, if you believe that MZ, WBG and forumite were the 3 scum kills, why (as scum) would I post that I was hit knowing that 2 others could easily claim and get me lynched for lying unless I had other purposes with the claim (as I did cause I am town)

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On May 30 2012 14:57 Probulous wrote:



Don't misrepresent my words I never said anything about you being scum. I said that SnB might have responded like he did even if he is town. In otherwords your trap was stupid.

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On May 30 2012 14:22 Probulous wrote:


Could be, depends if you're town or not. You're not making much sense

If I get your thinking right, it goes like this

1. You're town and you claim a shot and only scum know that you were "not" shot by scum.
   
2. SnB says you were shot by a vig
   
3. Because he discounted the possibility of you being shot by scum, he knows you weren't shot by scum, and so is scum.

The problem is that this assumes you're town. In SnB's eyes, you looked like scum so of course any shot your way would come from a vig. I don't understand the basis of your trap and WBG is right to get pissed at you for lying about it.

I suggest we all grow up, drop the issue and lynch based on posting rather than one's interpretation of a failed trap.

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On May 30 2012 14:59 Probulous wrote:


What does this mean? Are they scum or dumb town?

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On May 30 2012 15:01 sToFu wrote:
You ask how the lie could hurt town, and you provided a method with which it could hurt town.
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On May 30 2012 14:56 kitaman27 wrote:


Or you could save your time and focus your efforts elsewhere.

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On May 30 2012 14:59 Mattchew wrote:nope cause i think MZ claimed a hit sometime in there. Its why did he assume the doublestack of forum (or assume another unclaimed hit) and put me in the vig target only list... Maybe this is just me but if I were an observer of the situation I wouldn't care about who was hit by what until the claimed hits were greater than the mafia KP. This wasn't the case

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On May 30 2012 15:09 Probulous wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250&currentpage=62#1229

Good god Matt calm down. That point of that post was that SnB might have thought you weren't town. No need to get your panties in a knot.

Ok here is the order of events

1. Matt claims shot
   
2. Meapak claim hit
   
3. SnB questions Matt's claim

So at that point there were two shots claimed plus a kill, totalling three which accounts for all scum KP. So yeah, odd he would assume vig shot when there was plenty of scum KP available.

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On May 30 2012 13:51 strongandbig wrote:
Also Also - Toad! great to hear that you actually could Mason someone. Let me ask you a question: can you explain a little bit about what your "anti-manipulation power" is? I guess it's okay if you don't want to so you can use it later in secret or w/e but if it was a lie it'd be fine to admit it imo now that we know the rest of your claim is true, as long as you explain it. It's just that something outlandish like a "power that keeps you from being manipulated by the person you're masoning with" doesn't really make sense to me, since that would require the host to jump into your PM convos somehow, and it's the main thing still making me doubt your claim.

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On May 30 2012 15:09 sToFu wrote:
Maju - Your suspicion of me is completely legitimate. I can't say much about my slip-up in my reads post other than that I slipped up, and that the post, at least to me, reads like one that was written up very quickly and posted without any proofreading. As for the scum/lyncher argument, I thought that scum indicated anyone who was not allied with the town. I'm more used to saying something along the lines of "mafia member" or "mafian", but I'm trying to fit into the slang of TL. Is this a bad, suspicious excuse that I'm probably going to be called out on? Yes. Is it also the truth? Yes.

As for trying to cast suspicion on others

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On May 30 2012 15:21 kitaman27 wrote:
sToFu has been playing pretty appologetic thus far.

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